RUMOUR - Lewis baker

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Re: RUMOUR - Lewis baker

by SCIAG » 12 Jan 2019 08:18

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tmesis These days they are incredibly few true wingers left anywhere. You certainly struggle to find ones who can beat a man with skill rather than just pace, and very few can put in a decent cross while running.

The days of a genuine wide man like Glen Little, able to turn the fullback to get half a yard of space to put a cross in, or even a Michael Gilkes who, while mainly about speed, could be relied on to arc a ball to the far post with regularity, are gone.


Agree. Only through trends in formation though. When 442 becomes trendy again we'll see decent wide players.
Also much easier to put a CF with pace out on the wing to suit what the manager wants than bringing in a new player.

The problem is that doing that, in itself, won't work. The way we've put pace on a pedestal in this country means that we've now got loads of very quick wide midfielders favoured for their ability to run past a defender, not for their ability to put a decent cross in, let alone a cross while running.

They've also lost the ability to beat a player with skill, so the moment they come up against a team defending deep they are next to useless, as there's no space behind them to run into. The art of making space by wrong-footing the fullback has almost gone.

Some of it might be down to how free kicks are given for any contact in the modern game. Players no longer need to be able to evade challenges, as getting a free kick is often seen as more desirable than actually getting past the man.

Must admit I'm not seeing this at all. If anything, I think our obsession with copying Spain and Germany means we increasing produce a lot of very technical attacking midfield types and fewer genuine wingers. Look at the World Cup squad for example - only one winger and he ended up playing as a striker.

There's now generally much less emphasis on pace and slinging it into the big man, and much more emphasis on finding and exploiting space, tactical use of the ball, and looking for the killer pass. This is the era of Alli and Lingard, not Walcott and Agbonlahor. Or in our own youth system, the U23 wingers are a Josh Barrett, who makes Caskey look like Kebe, and Tyler Frost, who is like a technically gifted Andy Hughes.

So sure, wingers don't spend as much time lobbing crosses in any more (Leicester are the big exception, and Albrighton and Gray are excellent traditional wingers), but that's because of emphasising technicality and tactical intelligence, not fetishising pace.

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Re: RUMOUR - Lewis baker

by tmesis » 12 Jan 2019 10:30

Whatever the reason, my point was you can't just push players out wide and expect them to play like traditional wingers. Players don't (in general) have that skill set any more.

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Re: RUMOUR - Lewis baker

by Ascotexgunner » 12 Jan 2019 13:43

tmesis Whatever the reason, my point was you can't just push players out wide and expect them to play like traditional wingers. Players don't (in general) have that skill set any more.



It's very true....I would love to have got Ben Woodburn on loan from Liverpool. Seen him play loads of times..he is now back at Liverpool as Sheffield clearly didn't fancy him........he has every attribute of a traditional winger.

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Re: RUMOUR - Lewis baker

by Snowflake Royal » 12 Jan 2019 14:26

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tmesis Whatever the reason, my point was you can't just push players out wide and expect them to play like traditional wingers. Players don't (in general) have that skill set any more.



It's very true....I would love to have got Ben Woodburn on loan from Liverpool. Seen him play loads of times..he is now back at Liverpool as Sheffield clearly didn't fancy him........he has every attribute of a traditional winger.

We don't really play with traditional wingers though.

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Re: RUMOUR - Lewis baker

by LightwaterRoyal » 12 Jan 2019 17:24

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tmesis Whatever the reason, my point was you can't just push players out wide and expect them to play like traditional wingers. Players don't (in general) have that skill set any more.



It's very true....I would love to have got Ben Woodburn on loan from Liverpool. Seen him play loads of times..he is now back at Liverpool as Sheffield clearly didn't fancy him........he has every attribute of a traditional winger.


If we wanted a good traditional winger we would have kept James Henry.


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Re: RUMOUR - Lewis baker

by Schmeichel the dog » 12 Jan 2019 19:05

Good cameo performance on debut. Certainly seems to have no shortage of confidence and self belief and not a little quality to back that up. Shame he blazed over the bar near the end............!

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Re: RUMOUR - Lewis baker

by Sutekh » 12 Jan 2019 19:15

Schmeichel the dog Good cameo performance on debut. Certainly seems to have no shortage of confidence and self belief and not a little quality to back that up. Shame he blazed over the bar near the end............!


He should really be up for playing as at 23 he now probably anxious to get away from Chelsea and get to a club where he actually can get on with his career so needs to be in the shop window. Anyone know when his contact is up there?

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Re: RUMOUR - Lewis baker

by Nameless » 12 Jan 2019 19:35

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Schmeichel the dog Good cameo performance on debut. Certainly seems to have no shortage of confidence and self belief and not a little quality to back that up. Shame he blazed over the bar near the end............!


He should really be up for playing as at 23 he now probably anxious to get away from Chelsea and get to a club where he actually can get on with his career so needs to be in the shop window. Anyone know when his contact is up there?


He signed a 5 year deal in August 2017 so plenty left on it.

Sadly if he does well with us then Chelsea will want more than we could afford, unless he is part of the Playerfarm and will spend his career being loaned out.

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Re: RUMOUR - Lewis baker

by 3points » 12 Jan 2019 20:08

Looked a good player to me. Pretty robust and difficult to shake off the ball


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Re: RUMOUR - Lewis baker

by windermereROYAL » 12 Jan 2019 20:12

Early days and just a cameo but initial impressions , he`s looks the dogs bollocks,

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Re: RUMOUR - Lewis baker

by Singing Defective » 12 Jan 2019 20:16

windermereROYAL Early days and just a cameo but initial impressions , he`s looks the dogs bollocks,

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Re: RUMOUR - Lewis baker

by Hound » 12 Jan 2019 21:24

If he did well and we stayed up, fair chance they’d loan him back to us I imagine

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Re: RUMOUR - Lewis baker

by Zip » 12 Jan 2019 21:44

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windermereROYAL Early days and just a cameo but initial impressions , he`s looks the dogs bollocks,

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Re: RUMOUR - Lewis baker

by Lower West » 12 Jan 2019 22:24

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Schmeichel the dog Good cameo performance on debut. Certainly seems to have no shortage of confidence and self belief and not a little quality to back that up. Shame he blazed over the bar near the end............!


He should really be up for playing as at 23 he now probably anxious to get away from Chelsea and get to a club where he actually can get on with his career so needs to be in the shop window. Anyone know when his contact is up there?


He signed a 5 year deal in August 2017 so plenty left on it.

Sadly if he does well with us then Chelsea will want more than we could afford, unless he is part of the Playerfarm and will spend his career being loaned out.


Loan rules might change in the future. As up for discussion by FIFA next month. Resulting in clubs such as Chelsea offloading some of their older loanees to stay within the new lower limits. At 23 needs to be out and playing on a regular basis.

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Re: RUMOUR - Lewis baker

by Platypuss » 13 Jan 2019 00:40

Looked tidy against a disorganised 10- (then 9) man rabble.

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Re: RUMOUR - Lewis baker

by leon » 13 Jan 2019 02:15

Platypuss Looked tidy against a disorganised 10- (then 9) man rabble.


Forest were shit from the off, as the red cards indicated they were a shambles tbf

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Re: RUMOUR - Lewis baker

by bakerlou » 16 Jan 2019 13:31

The guy has a fucking brilliant name, I'll say that much for him.

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Re: Confirmed Lewis Baker on Loan

by retro royal » 19 Jan 2019 15:25

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retro royal Starting to worry Rinomohta might be moved to rightback to make space for these two, hope not as these two look a bit lightweight for the championship


Not sure if serious...


Right to be worried, all over the shot in the first 6 minutes

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Re: RUMOUR - Lewis baker

by John Madejski's Wallet » 19 Jan 2019 15:49

^^ skillz

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