Club 1871 - the What, When, Where, How, Who & Why Thread

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Re: Club 1871 - the What, When, Where, How, Who & Why Thread

by Kulshaw72RFC » 22 Oct 2018 19:19

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Kulshaw72RFC I want to hear from the organisers from last year on what they think the high points and low points have been, and their honest opinion on it, What do they think has gone well or badly? Do they think they should carry or on not? What would they do differently? Where are they and who even are they? They are like our owners..... ever elusive.

We all want answers from the horses mouth!


Why don't you grow up and contact them politely then, rather than tantruming about it on here. Thwy don't owe HNA anything, and they're not accountable to you or anyone else on here, so why don't you pack in the childishness.


Okay.

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Re: Club 1871 - the What, When, Where, How, Who & Why Thread

by Theroyalbox » 23 Oct 2018 09:51

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Kulshaw72RFC I want to hear from the organisers from last year on what they think the high points and low points have been, and their honest opinion on it, What do they think has gone well or badly? Do they think they should carry or on not? What would they do differently? Where are they and who even are they? They are like our owners..... ever elusive.

We all want answers from the horses mouth!


Pretty sure Ian has something to do with the organisation of it. He is way too passionate about it and far too defensive not to be.

Swing and a miss as usual. I vaguely know one person involved to some extent, not sure how much. I just enjoy telling you you're a fool.


Perhaps you could give us the name of the person you know, so we can ask him how he thinks its going?

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Re: Club 1871 - the What, When, Where, How, Who & Why Thread

by Old Man Andrews » 23 Oct 2018 09:53

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Pretty sure Ian has something to do with the organisation of it. He is way too passionate about it and far too defensive not to be.

Swing and a miss as usual. I vaguely know one person involved to some extent, not sure how much. I just enjoy telling you you're a fool.


Perhaps you could give us the name of the person you know, so we can ask him how he thinks its going?

The guy behind it is Sam Stevenson. I am pretty certain Ian is one of his leftenants though.

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Re: Club 1871 - the What, When, Where, How, Who & Why Thread

by Kulshaw72RFC » 23 Oct 2018 10:24

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Snowflake Royal Swing and a miss as usual. I vaguely know one person involved to some extent, not sure how much. I just enjoy telling you you're a fool.


Perhaps you could give us the name of the person you know, so we can ask him how he thinks its going?

The guy behind it is Sam Stevenson. I am pretty certain Ian is one of his leftenants though.


I know him. I used to work with his brother H.

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Re: Club 1871 - the What, When, Where, How, Who & Why Thread

by Pepe the Horseman » 23 Oct 2018 10:36

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Perhaps you could give us the name of the person you know, so we can ask him how he thinks its going?

The guy behind it is Sam Stevenson. I am pretty certain Ian is one of his leftenants though.


I know him. I used to work with his brother H.

The guy from Steps?


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Re: Club 1871 - the What, When, Where, How, Who & Why Thread

by Old Man Andrews » 23 Oct 2018 10:38

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Old Man Andrews The guy behind it is Sam Stevenson. I am pretty certain Ian is one of his leftenants though.


I know him. I used to work with his brother H.

The guy from Steps?


Yes DD is Lee Latchford Evans.

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Re: Club 1871 - the What, When, Where, How, Who & Why Thread

by Kulshaw72RFC » 23 Oct 2018 10:49

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I know him. I used to work with his brother H.

The guy from Steps?


Yes DD is Lee Latchford Evans.


He is married to somebody with two first names. Kerry-Lucy Taylor. So she is probably the only person in the world to have a double-double barrel name

Whose parents are thick and indecisive enough to double barrel the first part of your name.

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Re: Club 1871 - the What, When, Where, How, Who & Why Thread

by Snowflake Royal » 23 Oct 2018 13:36

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Pretty sure Ian has something to do with the organisation of it. He is way too passionate about it and far too defensive not to be.

Swing and a miss as usual. I vaguely know one person involved to some extent, not sure how much. I just enjoy telling you you're a fool.


Perhaps you could give us the name of the person you know, so we can ask him how he thinks its going?

I could. I'm not going to, but I could. As I said, I don't know how involved he is.

You want to talk to them, look 'em up yourself. They seem to be identifiable on social media from OMA's bleating.

I've no idea who the guy OMA has named is. Don't much care, although I'm grateful and appreciative if he is one of the organisers... good on him.

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Re: Club 1871 - the What, When, Where, How, Who & Why Thread

by Old Man Andrews » 23 Oct 2018 13:42

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Snowflake Royal Swing and a miss as usual. I vaguely know one person involved to some extent, not sure how much. I just enjoy telling you you're a fool.


Perhaps you could give us the name of the person you know, so we can ask him how he thinks its going?

I could. I'm not going to, but I could. As I said, I don't know how involved he is.

You want to talk to them, look 'em up yourself. They seem to be identifiable on social media from OMA's bleating.

I've no idea who the guy OMA has named is. Don't much care, although I'm grateful and appreciative if he is one of the organisers... good on him.


He is the organiser of the whole thing, you know that Ian so just admit it and take some sort of responsibility for being behind the project somewhat. You clearly have your hand in it so just own it, man up a bit.


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Re: Club 1871 - the What, When, Where, How, Who & Why Thread

by Elm Park Kid » 23 Oct 2018 13:50

Does any sensible person think that the Club 1871 project wasn't worth at least trying?

I mean, it reflected a lot of the things that many of us call for - more passion, trying to build an atmosphere, safe standing (unofficially). Whether it has worked out - or will work out in the future - I say that it was a brave attempt and we probably need more thinking this this.

That's not to say I won't lightly take the p*ss now and again :D But it's done with love!

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Re: Club 1871 - the What, When, Where, How, Who & Why Thread

by Old Man Andrews » 23 Oct 2018 13:54

Elm Park Kid Does any sensible person think that the Club 1871 project wasn't worth at least trying?


They have tried it, nobody was against that. They tried and it failed. Time to let it die.

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Re: Club 1871 - the What, When, Where, How, Who & Why Thread

by muirinho » 23 Oct 2018 14:10

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Elm Park Kid Does any sensible person think that the Club 1871 project wasn't worth at least trying?


They have tried it, nobody was against that. They tried and it failed. Time to let it die.


You were against it.
You posted absolutely poisonous garbage about it and about its backers when it was first organised, so bad that an entire thread was deleted.

Then you were posing as the "concerned friend" - the Iago type of concerned friend, that is.

You have been such a slimy sneery hypocrite about this whole thing, I want it to continue for an eternity, just to piss you off.

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Re: Club 1871 - the What, When, Where, How, Who & Why Thread

by jar95 » 23 Oct 2018 14:17

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Elm Park Kid Does any sensible person think that the Club 1871 project wasn't worth at least trying?


They have tried it, nobody was against that. They tried and it failed. Time to let it die.


You were against it.
You posted absolutely poisonous garbage about it and about its backers when it was first organised, so bad that an entire thread was deleted.

Then you were posing as the "concerned friend" - the Iago type of concerned friend, that is.

You have been such a slimy sneery hypocrite about this whole thing, I want it to continue for an eternity, just to piss you off.


+100000000000.

OMA was so against it, it was unreal. Then he back tracked after apparently speaking to one of the organisers.


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Re: Club 1871 - the What, When, Where, How, Who & Why Thread

by Theroyalbox » 23 Oct 2018 14:18

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Elm Park Kid Does any sensible person think that the Club 1871 project wasn't worth at least trying?


They have tried it, nobody was against that. They tried and it failed. Time to let it die.


You were against it.
You posted absolutely poisonous garbage about it and about its backers when it was first organised, so bad that an entire thread was deleted.

Then you were posing as the "concerned friend" - the Iago type of concerned friend, that is.

You have been such a slimy sneery hypocrite about this whole thing, I want it to continue for an eternity, just to piss you off.


Get the feeling this guy doesn't like OMA.

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Re: Club 1871 - the What, When, Where, How, Who & Why Thread

by Old Man Andrews » 23 Oct 2018 14:20

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They have tried it, nobody was against that. They tried and it failed. Time to let it die.


You were against it.
You posted absolutely poisonous garbage about it and about its backers when it was first organised, so bad that an entire thread was deleted.

Then you were posing as the "concerned friend" - the Iago type of concerned friend, that is.

You have been such a slimy sneery hypocrite about this whole thing, I want it to continue for an eternity, just to piss you off.


+100000000000.

OMA was so against it, it was unreal. Then he back tracked after apparently speaking to one of the organisers.

Exactly. I spoke to someone I disagreed with and then gave the project a chance, it is what adults do. Please try it when you feel you can.

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Re: Club 1871 - the What, When, Where, How, Who & Why Thread

by Old Man Andrews » 23 Oct 2018 14:21

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They have tried it, nobody was against that. They tried and it failed. Time to let it die.


You were against it.
You posted absolutely poisonous garbage about it and about its backers when it was first organised, so bad that an entire thread was deleted.

Then you were posing as the "concerned friend" - the Iago type of concerned friend, that is.

You have been such a slimy sneery hypocrite about this whole thing, I want it to continue for an eternity, just to piss you off.


Get the feeling this guy doesn't like OMA.


He is an absolute wet blanket. He is the same person who tried to start a Twitter campaign to stop chanting with swearwords in it.

Failure.

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Re: Club 1871 - the What, When, Where, How, Who & Why Thread

by Stranded » 23 Oct 2018 14:56

So let me get this straight people are worried closing half the South Stand to away fans is losing us cash despite the fact that only Wednesday sold their allocation (and 10% of those didn't show up)

Derby - 1947 (went to pay on the day)
Sheff Weds - 1933 (apparently sold out their 2200 allocation but not all showed)
Millwall - 1831
QPR - 1400
Norwich - 919
Bolton - 856
Hull - 537

Club 1871 is trying to do something and should continue for as long as those involved wish to do so, as it doesn't do anyone any harm and isn't truly affecting the clubs coffers. It took a long time for a similar scheme at Watford to get off the ground and that has been finally embraced by fans and the atmosphere there has improved markedly. The numbers for Club 1871 should grow in line with attendances, we have about 12000 showing up at the mo (home fans), if this shoots up to say 16k home fans regularly again and the numbers in the stand don't rise accordingly then then that is the time to question if it is appealing to Reading fans.

Hitting them with a shitty stick when the entire ground is just a bit shitty at the mo, is all pretty pointless and web based point scoring.

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Re: Club 1871 - the What, When, Where, How, Who & Why Thread

by Stranded » 23 Oct 2018 15:06

genome Some basic rushed numbers that are probably completely wrong because it's Monday morning, but whatever

2,175 (half the south stand capacity) x £20 we charge for away tickets = £43,500 per game x 23 home games = £1,000,500 lost over the course of the season IF every away team sell out the South Stand. Not every team will, so it'll probably be around half that number (if that), minus £9085 for around 300 Club 1871 season tickets (or however many there were).

So I think it'll lose the club about £400,000 to £500,000, but it's hard to say.


As mentioned in my other post, 1 from 7 have sold out the 2200 they get currently and only 1900 of them actually attended. Of those 4, 2 are London clubs who you might expect to take a larger allocation for a short trip. For even half the league to take 4400 tickets, that would means that 12 of the final 16 home games would see clubs want to bring 4k fans. As our home games include Rotherham, Blackburn, Wigan and Brentford who don't travel in big numbers, you would be looking at the remaining clubs all bringing 4000.

Not going to happen.

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Re: Club 1871 - the What, When, Where, How, Who & Why Thread

by genome » 23 Oct 2018 15:17

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genome Some basic rushed numbers that are probably completely wrong because it's Monday morning, but whatever

2,175 (half the south stand capacity) x £20 we charge for away tickets = £43,500 per game x 23 home games = £1,000,500 lost over the course of the season IF every away team sell out the South Stand. Not every team will, so it'll probably be around half that number (if that), minus £9085 for around 300 Club 1871 season tickets (or however many there were).

So I think it'll lose the club about £400,000 to £500,000, but it's hard to say.


As mentioned in my other post, 1 from 7 have sold out the 2200 they get currently and only 1900 of them actually attended. Of those 4, 2 are London clubs who you might expect to take a larger allocation for a short trip. For even half the league to take 4400 tickets, that would means that 12 of the final 16 home games would see clubs want to bring 4k fans. As our home games include Rotherham, Blackburn, Wigan and Brentford who don't travel in big numbers, you would be looking at the remaining clubs all bringing 4000.

Not going to happen.


genome (if that)


Bristol City, Leeds, Aston Villa usually take 4k to us, I think? Then you usually get Sheffield Wednesday, West Brom and Brentford pushing that but not quite selling out (but definitely a good 3k+). Stoke, perhaps. Sheffield United and Forest are also good shouts if they are still flying high when we play them at home.

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Re: Club 1871 - the What, When, Where, How, Who & Why Thread

by Stranded » 23 Oct 2018 15:36

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genome Some basic rushed numbers that are probably completely wrong because it's Monday morning, but whatever

2,175 (half the south stand capacity) x £20 we charge for away tickets = £43,500 per game x 23 home games = £1,000,500 lost over the course of the season IF every away team sell out the South Stand. Not every team will, so it'll probably be around half that number (if that), minus £9085 for around 300 Club 1871 season tickets (or however many there were).

So I think it'll lose the club about £400,000 to £500,000, but it's hard to say.


As mentioned in my other post, 1 from 7 have sold out the 2200 they get currently and only 1900 of them actually attended. Of those 4, 2 are London clubs who you might expect to take a larger allocation for a short trip. For even half the league to take 4400 tickets, that would means that 12 of the final 16 home games would see clubs want to bring 4k fans. As our home games include Rotherham, Blackburn, Wigan and Brentford who don't travel in big numbers, you would be looking at the remaining clubs all bringing 4000.

Not going to happen.


genome (if that)


Bristol City, Leeds, Aston Villa usually take 4k to us, I think? Then you usually get Sheffield Wednesday, West Brom and Brentford pushing that but not quite selling out (but definitely a good 3k+). Stoke, perhaps. Sheffield United and Forest are also good shouts if they are still flying high when we play them at home.


Of those clubs we played last season only Leeds and Bristol brought over 3k (3470 & 3400 respectively) so neither totally sold out.

Brentford were the only other side to break 2200 with 2800, so comfortable that 2200 really is fine for them. Forest only brought 1300 and Sheff Utd 730, so unless they are still going well when we play them then neither really need more than 2200.

Leeds is also a Tuesday which may effect attendances esp if they fall away again as they are showing signs of doing (incredibly the Leeds game is the only scheduled midweek home game left this season).

I don't see why we should be looking to leave that part of the ground empty because some clubs might want to bring more fans but no guarantee that they will. Someone at the club will have done the sums here and figured that this is the best use of that part of the ground and is preferable to leaving it shut for 16 or 17 games a season.

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