by Brain Traysers » 14 Sep 2018 20:33
by Zip » 14 Sep 2018 20:42
by Hound » 14 Sep 2018 20:58
by Snowball » 14 Sep 2018 21:20
by Zip » 14 Sep 2018 21:43
Snowball I notice with England that teams never seem to cover the DEEP corner
and Harry Maguire got a lot of chances or room to head back across
goal. Didn't we used to do similar with Pearce heading the ball back?
by BR0B0T » 15 Sep 2018 01:28
Brain Traysers I'm relatively new to devoting time into this - I'm trying to improve my data science skill set and football data seems a nice way to do it, with an active community of observers and a tonne of rich datasets.
by SCIAG » 15 Sep 2018 08:44
A few people mentioned Aluko and Kelly's deliveries not beating the first man - while a very real frustration I think it indicates we are not at the forefront. From what I have previously read on set piece analytics (not much beyond things already linked...), this is really common as teams are conscious of the counter attacking threat - at any professional level nearly all players are good enough to consistency deliver a ball beyond the first man into the right areas, but to avoid making it easy to clear/ be gathered by the GK who starts a counter, they have to try to whip it in to a much smaller area which is often then cleared by the first man. The more advanced coaches are seemingly very aware of this, and instead target areas easier to reach, but harder for the GK to get to - e.g. Trippers excellent World Cup deliveries were often towards the penalty spot rather than 6 yard box, with 2-3 targets there and Kane sniffing around the 6 yard box for any follow ups - that's a very very basic summary, there was a lot more too it e.g.. But I accept that doesn't necessarily mean Aluko/Kelly they are good set piece takers.
by Sutekh » 15 Sep 2018 10:36
by Snowflake Royal » 15 Sep 2018 13:00
Sutekh You would still expect them to beat the first man even if the rest of the team was failing in their part. This is something they both regularly struggle to do. Perhaps it’s because they’re low on confidence and/or trying to hard but either way there’s room for considerable improvement.
Best corners I’ve seen are those where the ball is dropped to the edge of the D for someone to hit a clean volley that no one can stop. Very difficult to pull off but you’d think it’s worth a try once a game esp. when the standard ball over is continually not getting anywhere.
And that’s another point, Reading players don’t shoot enough. Too much time is spent diddling about looking for the space that never opens before losing the ball.
by Zip » 15 Sep 2018 14:14
by Hound » 15 Sep 2018 14:33
by John Smith » 17 Sep 2018 09:24
Cape Town Royal I feel we really needed to have won the Blackburn game, 2 up away from home and largely in control, that was a game where had we seen it out would have given the team a huge lift. The result and the nature of how it happened was a large kick in the teeth...
Boy do we need an ugly win or two....
by Hound » 17 Sep 2018 09:57
John SmithCape Town Royal I feel we really needed to have won the Blackburn game, 2 up away from home and largely in control, that was a game where had we seen it out would have given the team a huge lift. The result and the nature of how it happened was a large kick in the teeth...
Boy do we need an ugly win or two....
The only reason we didn't win that game was Paul McShane. There were no statistics to save us that night.
by Snowball » 17 Sep 2018 10:03
by John Smith » 17 Sep 2018 10:08
Snowball If flat corners keep finding a defender at the near post
why don't we have an attacker standing in front of him?
And if the attacker moves in front of the RDG player
he's now dragged out of position.
by NewCorkSeth » 17 Sep 2018 10:17
by Stranded » 17 Sep 2018 10:34
NewCorkSeth I am unable to back this up in any way but I believe I read that short corners (as in not into the box) result in more goals that corners crossed deep into the box.
Corners and goal kicks both wind me up a little as in both cases pumping it long often lead to either a counter attack or sustained possession for the other team a large amount of the time.
Its one of the reasons I prefer a team to play it out from the back. It also lessens the amount of head tennis I have to watch which I really hate..
by NewCorkSeth » 17 Sep 2018 10:41
StrandedNewCorkSeth I am unable to back this up in any way but I believe I read that short corners (as in not into the box) result in more goals that corners crossed deep into the box.
Corners and goal kicks both wind me up a little as in both cases pumping it long often lead to either a counter attack or sustained possession for the other team a large amount of the time.
Its one of the reasons I prefer a team to play it out from the back. It also lessens the amount of head tennis I have to watch which I really hate..
Corners are statistically awful when it comes to goal scoring chances, which makes sense when you think about it (ball has to go away from goal to give the team a chance and the defending team are virtually all back). A good short corner, should increase your chances. Take our 2nd on Saturday for example, short ball pulls 2 defenders out, quick ball releases Aluko and suddenly you are pulling back from a better position with more fluid movement in the box.
If used properly, short corners can be very dangerous.
by John Smith » 17 Sep 2018 11:14
SCIAG ...eventually this approach paid dividends and we had one of our most successful spells at scoring set piece goals, particularly through Bikey.
by BraisingsteakRoyal » 17 Sep 2018 11:49
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