Simon Church

[RobRoyal]

So if this is Church being "bad" and yet Le Fondre is only a tiny percentage better
and Hunt is almost 100% WORSE, why is Church being singled out for so much abuse?

Because he's not as good as the other two. Has that not been raised yet?

[Extended-Phenotype]

You are saying I can’t make a negative judgement about Church because of what the stats indicate.

I’m saying your stats are feeble.

[Vision]

THEREFORE, people slamming Church are in denial of the facts
and are judging him on extremely fallible subjective grounds
and that the criticism is unfair and poorly-founded.

You are in denial of the facts. You can't have it both ways Snowball.

Friday's Legacy has said his goals/appearances ratio is poor and has produced stats to back that up. Just because you choose to use a different criteria doesn't mean what he has stated is wrong.

It's flawed of course but then we've been trying to tell you since day 1 that stats aren't the be-all and end-all when it comes to judging players and there are flaws in your goals/mins as a measurement too.

[marcusopp]

The real dissapointment with church is when there's a 50:50 to go for, you just know he won't win it.
Sometimes the ball's in the air, and he's favourite to win the header, but mostly the defender gets it. He makes every defender look like Maldini!
Other forwards give defenders a hard time, or get fouled a lot to win free kicks etc. Church does nothing. It's probably his shitness that has lead to his goals. Defenders start to relax and he eventually gets lucky.
Still, that goal he scored against sheff wed a few years ago was top quality, wish i could see one or two more

[Snowball]

Goals Only, ignoring assists and other work


Here are the minutes and goals this season (including cups)




20 (7) 1,673 Minutes 6 Goals - - 279 Minutes per Goal - - (all games) Church

17 (7) 1,710 Minutes 6 Goals - - 285 Minutes per Goal - - (all games) Le Fondre

20 (8) 1,849 Minutes 5 Goals - - 370 Minutes per Goal - - (all games) Hunt

[Woodcote Royal]

Le Fondre and Church are strikers and expected to score a certain amount of goals.
If anything Church is the workhorse (more running, less goals) and Alf was bought to do the penalty-box chance taker.

So we should expect Le Fondre to be out-scoring Church based solely on their expected roles.

But Church 5-4 Le Fondre when they play together. Hmmmm.

WRONG

If you actually watched the games Church and ALF played together then you'll have noticed how ALF was playing behind Church, in the 'Sigurdsson' role, and hence wasn't getting the opportunities to be a penalty box striker.

Nice try W-R, but I never said a dickie-bird about HOW they PLAYED, in the games, just about EXPECTATIONS.

It's not a nice try, it's a perfect illustration of how flawed some of your stats are.

[Extended-Phenotype]

I'm not being a c/nt, but when I heard Church wanted to follow in the footsteps of Gary Speed, I was dissapointed to discover he meant captain Wales.

[Wimb]

I'm not being a c/nt, but when I heard Church wanted to follow in the footsteps of Gary Speed, I was dissapointed to discover he meant captain Wales.

[Cobi]

I'm not being a c/nt, but when I heard Church wanted to follow in the footsteps of Gary Speed, I was dissapointed to discover he meant captain Wales.

[floyd__streete]

I'm not being a c/nt, but when I heard Church wanted to follow in the footsteps of Gary Speed, I was dissapointed to discover he meant captain Wales.

[maffff]

http://intothevalley.proboards.com/thre ... hin-church

Doing well at Charlton....

[YateleyRoyal]

I'm not being a c/nt, but when I heard Church wanted to follow in the footsteps of Gary Speed, I was dissapointed to discover he meant captain Wales.

But the thing is, you are being a c/nt.

I still mildly though.

[Wycombe Royal]

I'm not being a c/nt, but when I heard Church wanted to follow in the footsteps of Gary Speed, I was dissapointed to discover he meant captain Wales.

But the thing is, you are being a c/nt.

I still mildly though.

It only took you 22 months to reply to that comment. Well done......

[YateleyRoyal]

I'm not being a c/nt, but when I heard Church wanted to follow in the footsteps of Gary Speed, I was dissapointed to discover he meant captain Wales.

But the thing is, you are being a c/nt.

I still mildly though.

It only took you 22 months to reply to that comment. Well done......

Not my fault some fcuker only just bumped the thread!

[Wycombe Royal]

Not my fault some fcuker only just bumped the thread!

[bigmike]

Haha Poor Charlton

[Royal Ginger]

http://intothevalley.proboards.com/thread/14770/patience-wearing-thin-church

Doing well at Charlton....

It all looks very familiar...

[Extended-Phenotype]

That was a good joke of mine.

[Mr Angry]

"Garry Nelson without the talent"

Ouch!

[biff]

"Garry Nelson without the talent"

Ouch!

The guy is robbing a living. In the end I rationlised that he knew he was a bit shit and couldnt do much about it; saved on the lower ranges of the vocal chords when he shinned his 6 chance into XX. BOO