Poll - Adkins In or Out

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Adkins In or Out

Poll ended at 11 Nov 2014 17:48
In
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Out
82
47%
 
Total votes: 176
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Re: Poll - Adkins In or Out

by Royal Rother » 23 Nov 2014 20:22

I like it. :D

But come on, judging someone on his private life when all we "know" is what has been put in the papers is hardly sound. We don't know the reasons or the background. We just know his ex-wife wasn't exactly a glamour babe and therefore perfect for the press to make him appear to be a bit of a rat when he takes up with a younger more glamorous looking lady.

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Re: Poll - Adkins In or Out

by Ian Royal » 24 Nov 2014 20:34

SCIAG
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Again, that's not entirely accurate.

Only once did Coppell "have to sell his best players", and that was directly after a relegation. Little had spent the entire previous season out injured and Sonko was no good, so that's Shorey and Kitson. After our last relegation, Adkins had to sell Mariappa and Kebe, two of his best players. Again this summer, he had to sell Le Fondre and McCarthy, both amongst his best players, and also lost McAnuff, Drenthe, Morrison and Bridge from his strongest side. Whilst Bridge had already been replaced, losing McAnuff too meant Obita was first choice in two positions. I've included Drenthe in case someone argues that Le Fondre wasn't a regular starter, as Drenthe was the only credible alternative. However you slice it, it's four starters, and Bridge would have been another barring injury.

Has Adkins complained about losing players in the summer? Any more than McDermott did?

It's hard to say for sure whether Adkins' side is currently more talented than some of McDermott's. After the sale of Sigurdsson, McDermott was still able to call upon Long, Kebe, McAnuff and Leigertwood, as well as Hunt, Zurab, Mills, Harte and Griffin. Federici, Pearce and Karacan were no worse than they are today (based on current form). Personally I think only Norwood/Guthrie and Obita would make that side, maybe Gunter and Pearce when they hit form. The side that won promotion did so with Roberts, Gorkss and Pearce in for Long, Mills and Zurab (and no regular right back). Again, I'd probably take Norwood ahead of Karacan, and changing the full backs would be nice, but I certainly don't think the current first team is clearly better. There's more strength in depth in several positions - Karacan ahead of Mullins any day, Cooper ahead of Khumalo, Taylor ahead of Cwyka - but given their respective injury records, I'm not sure that's too relevant.

The claim that McDermott received less funding in seven transfer windows than Adkins did in the last one has no basis in reality. In McDermott's final summer, he spent about £6m on two players, plus signed four senior players on "free" transfers. This summer, Adkins spent about £1.5m on two players, plus two loans, and a senior player on a "free" transfer. Under McDermott, we made significant outlays (on fees and or wages) on players including Griffin, Leigertwood, Gorkss, and Roberts, in the Championship alone. Yes, that has to be balanced against money coming in, but the £9m raised through player sales this summer is more than we raised in two of McDermott's three seasons (note 1: that was only so high because Leicester paid £4.5m for Mills. Note 2: one of McDermott's summers was in the PL so naturally no one was in a hurry to leave).

I really agree with Leon: we need to stop revising history. Claiming that McDermott played crap football, was rolling in money, or would certainly have achieved a mid-table finish without Roberts are not helpful to anyone. Equally, claiming McDermott had less money, no players and consistently masterful tactics is silly (though I find it hard to argue that Adkins is as strong tactically as McDermott).

McDermott was a fantastic manager for two and a half years who did great things for this club and led us to success that I didn't think was possible three years in a row. We don't need to constantly compare Adkins to him.

I think we all acknowledge that we do not have the resources to buy a Premier League team. If we ever want to do well in the PL again, we'll need to build a side over a long period of time. We can't do that if we keep taking a short term view and sacking the manager because he's not doing as well as the over-achiever who proceeded him.

If we don't want to be a PL club, that's fine be me - but in that case, why remove a manager who is on course to keep us in the Championship?

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Re: Poll - Adkins In or Out

by Ian Royal » 24 Nov 2014 20:52

SydenhamRoyal For me the questions are not around the players ability or otherwise, but about one massive strategic error from Adkins, and one very telling statistic.

First, the strategic error - it was clear last season that our biggest problems were in defence, that is where we were weakest. Adkins has used wha little funds were available on the attack. He could, and should, have spent what little funds he had on improving the defence. Week in, week out, he is bemoaning the poor defending that is giving away soft goals, but the back 4 are immune to being dropped because there are no alternatives. Meanwhile, further up the field the players know not to put in a man of the match performance or they will be dropped for the next game. A real motivator ...

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That's all well and good, and I'm not disagree defence isn't a problem. But 13 of our goals have come from Adkins signings. And Pogrebnyak has been poor. I bet if he'd focused on defence and left attack you'd be bemoaning our totally toothless side. And at least we're blessed with an overabundance of young talent defensively with Hector, Cooper, Sweeney, Keown, Griffin, Long, Hyam, Dickie, Watson, Owusu et al.

Snipped the stat bit because it's bang on. There's a massive mental fragility about the side. Something I feel which has improved a little recently, but is still a major problem.

I'd suggest a party of it is that McDermott had the players thinking they were the underdogs and for the opposition to come at us and dominate, so we could then break and sucker punch them. That mind set is absolutely set up to play to the end and be sure they can hit back against the odds and turn the match. There's something freeing about that and the managerial instructions were simple.

Adkins on the other hand I think wants us to dominate and control the game. We're not quite there and that leads to uncertainty about exactly how to break down the opposition. When we're behind we then lose hope. There's a tendency to start well, and then ease down a gear, which plays into the opposition.

Ultimately, if Adkins can get his way working, it'll serve us better. The problem is getting it working. If he can't it's pretty depressing.

On the other hand I, at least, have been enjoying more regular live football over the last 18 months. And I can at least appreciate what we're trying, whereas I enjoyed the success under McDermott and some of the excitement, but not the football itself.

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Re: Poll - Adkins In or Out

by MmmMonsterMunch » 24 Nov 2014 21:45

They're not trying though Ian. They've mentally given up....

Speaks volumes when you know we've lost the game once we concede first.

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Re: Poll - Adkins In or Out

by The Cube » 25 Nov 2014 17:44

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Royality creeps In According to BBCRB Adkins and his "coaching" staff where handing notes out to the players on the pitch last night. They were reading them then throwing them on the floor. The Cardiff players then picked them up and read the instructions.

That's not what BBCRB said at all. And there's no need to make things up to justify an Adkins out post.


Well thats what I heard. What was your version of events :?:

Dellor said that Adkins had given out two notes, for two different players. He asked what was wrong with the normal system of talking to people. He and Gooding followed this up with speculation about what might happen if a player read the note and then threw it on the ground, given the possibility of an opponent picking it up and reading it. However, Dellor then said that a Reading player had handed one of the notes back to the coaching staff. The fate of the second note was not made clear.

Of course, whether the above bears any resemblance to what actually happened is another matter entirely.


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Re: Poll - Adkins In or Out

by RoyalBlue » 25 Nov 2014 19:36

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The Cube That's not what BBCRB said at all. And there's no need to make things up to justify an Adkins out post.


Well thats what I heard. What was your version of events :?:

Dellor said that Adkins had given out two notes, for two different players. He asked what was wrong with the normal system of talking to people. He and Gooding followed this up with speculation about what might happen if a player read the note and then threw it on the ground, given the possibility of an opponent picking it up and reading it. However, Dellor then said that a Reading player had handed one of the notes back to the coaching staff. The fate of the second note was not made clear.

Of course, whether the above bears any resemblance to what actually happened is another matter entirely.


Can Cardiff players read?

TBH, if a player followed the instructions it shouldn't take the opposition long to work out what they were anyway.

Of course the subsequent Dellor and Gooding speculation showed how dumb they can be anyway; are our opponents teams comprised solely of deaf players?! If not, what happens when they hear shouted instructions from the bench?!

In GetReading Gunter is quoted as saying: "The manager has stuck with this club in some dark times over the past 12 months, There are things people don't know." So yet more hints that he has been stitched up like a kipper by the various owners and/or others.

Given McDermott's relatively recent comments about the way he was treated towards the end of his tenure (transfer dealings etc.) Is it not likely that Adkins was also dealt a bum hand?

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Re: Poll - Adkins In or Out

by Ian Royal » 25 Nov 2014 20:36

MmmMonsterMunch They're not trying though Ian. They've mentally given up....

Speaks volumes when you know we've lost the game once we concede first.

Don't agree in the slightest that they don't try. Do agree that they've previously been defeated mentally once they go behind. Often because two mistakes happen in quick succession. I think that's improved in more recent games though.

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Re: Poll - Adkins In or Out

by Big Foot » 26 Nov 2014 14:30

2 wins from 12 and Adkins has just signed up to Twitter - WTF

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Re: Poll - Adkins In or Out

by Royal Lady » 26 Nov 2014 14:35

Big Foot 2 wins from 12 and Adkins has just signed up to Twitter - WTF

I thought it was a parody account! It reads like it!!


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Re: Poll - Adkins In or Out

by Pepe the Horseman » 26 Nov 2014 14:40

Lol. Got a feeling he won't be on there for long.

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Re: Poll - Adkins In or Out

by Big Foot » 26 Nov 2014 14:46

Royal Lady
Big Foot 2 wins from 12 and Adkins has just signed up to Twitter - WTF

I thought it was a parody account! It reads like it!!
Had a text about this on the weekend as a m8 of a m8 works at the club and thought the same - unbelievable

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Re: Poll - Adkins In or Out

by Royal Lady » 26 Nov 2014 15:44

Well I'm ready to "converse" with him.....hoping you'll join me BFers! :wink:

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Re: Poll - Adkins In or Out

by Royal Lady » 26 Nov 2014 15:56

@TheNigelAdkins - 4 days ago:

"The morning after, time for reflection, education, exercise and a positive attitude to keep moving forward! At Hogwood U18 v Norwich 1pm KO"

@TheNigelAdkins - 5 days ago

"Changed training from morning to afternoon session it was a 3pm start. A great focus, intensity and quality from the players in their work!"


Grrrrrrr8. :roll:


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Re: Poll - Adkins In or Out

by Royal Biscuitman » 26 Nov 2014 16:53

Where's the shake it all about option?

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Re: Poll - Adkins In or Out

by winchester_royal » 26 Nov 2014 16:59

His interview with Charles Watts reads like a bad April fools.

What a total plonker.

He's brave though, you've got to give him that..

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