by Nameless » 02 Mar 2016 13:08
by MoorgateRoyal » 02 Mar 2016 13:11
Maguire Guthrie was a total prick. He'd be about the only person I can think of that falls into that category. People like Mills, no issue at all, played well for Reading and moved on to a better job.
I'm sure we'll get people on here giving Pardew stick in the run up to the 1/4 final but he doesn't deserve it either. Did a good job for Reading and has never to my knowledge been anything less that respectful since he left.
by John Smith » 02 Mar 2016 13:17
NamelessJohn SmithNameless PAul Holsgrove obviously.
Michael Meaker for just being rubbish despite costing a lot and looking like he really didn't care (which by all accounts he didn't)
Not a big fan of Jamie Mackie either. Thought he was right up there in the 'turn it on for the cameras' club and again made it pretty clear that this was not where he wanted to be.
Not convinced by the Guthrie haters thing about 'refusing to play'. He din't. He told the manager he wasn't in the right frame of mind to travel to Sunderland (?) to sit on the bench. I thought there were off the field issues going on at the time and whilst I think a highly paid player kind of owes it to his employers to tough it out, sometimes it's more honest to say your not up to it if you are genuinely struggling. Would we praise an inured player who hid his injury and tried to play but as a result weakened the team and put himself out for longer ?
So saying he can't travel isn't refusing to play in your eyes? Is there any excuse to be made for being in the 'wrong frame of mind' whilst scooping £60k a week? No, there isn't. Don't be a Guthrie apologist
When you don't read what people write but just wade in with your ill thought out comments you run the risk of looking silly.
Don't you ?
AFAIK the full reasons behind the incident were never made public. If Guthrie simply said 'Boss I really can't be arsed' then he was 100% in the wrong. I'm not convinced that is what happened. We have players who miss loads of games with highly physical injuries that just seem to never quite get right. Some of those players are very highly thought of. Guthrie pulls out of one game and it's enough for some to crucify him, despite maybe not having the full story.
by muirinho » 02 Mar 2016 13:19
MoorgateRoyal
Depression and other psychological issues are reasons for not being in the right frame of mind to play, regardless of how much you get paid.
Granted, that may not have been the case here, but it is a valid reason.
Although I suspect that if any player pulls out of a game and says they are suffering from depression, the reaction would be less from supportive from a lot of fans.
by Nameless » 02 Mar 2016 13:21
by MoorgateRoyal » 02 Mar 2016 13:23
muirinhoMoorgateRoyal
Depression and other psychological issues are reasons for not being in the right frame of mind to play, regardless of how much you get paid.
Granted, that may not have been the case here, but it is a valid reason.
Although I suspect that if any player pulls out of a game and says they are suffering from depression, the reaction would be less from supportive from a lot of fans.
I'd agree, with all of the above - however, totally unconvinced this applied to Guthrie. There is no way, IMO, if it was a psychological issue, that BMcD would have insisted he apologise to the entire squad. Just cannot see that. You've also got to think that if he did have issues like that, it would have happened more regularly, and with games a bit easier to get to!
I'm generally one for giving a player the benefit of the doubt. Even Millsy. Didn't even boo Halford.
But Guthrie? No thanks.
by Nameless » 02 Mar 2016 13:26
muirinhoMoorgateRoyal
Depression and other psychological issues are reasons for not being in the right frame of mind to play, regardless of how much you get paid.
Granted, that may not have been the case here, but it is a valid reason.
Although I suspect that if any player pulls out of a game and says they are suffering from depression, the reaction would be less from supportive from a lot of fans.
I'd agree, with all of the above - however, totally unconvinced this applied to Guthrie. There is no way, IMO, if it was a psychological issue, that BMcD would have insisted he apologise to the entire squad. Just cannot see that. You've also got to think that if he did have issues like that, it would have happened more regularly, and with games a bit easier to get to!
I'm generally one for giving a player the benefit of the doubt. Even Millsy. Didn't even boo Halford.
But Guthrie? No thanks.
by John Smith » 02 Mar 2016 13:30
Nameless Still not reading stuff are you.
I try and offer a balanced view, you keep accusing me of being an apologist and making excuses.
Can't be arsed to play games with people on here who just like picking fights.
You hate Guthrie if you want, really not something that bothers me too much !
Pip pip.
by Nameless » 02 Mar 2016 14:21
by Kuhl_Runnings » 02 Mar 2016 15:26
NamelessKuhl_RunningsNameless Not a big fan of Jamie Mackie either. Thought he was right up there in the 'turn it on for the cameras' club and again made it pretty clear that this was not where he wanted to be.
+1
http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jamie-mackie-reckons-qpr-hoops-9602829The 29-year-old returning winger also revealed wearing blue and white hoops at Reading where he was on loan last season ‘didn’t feel quite right’.
I remembered this. And I also remembered how he ran up the pitch, got tackled, moaned and reluctantly walked back to the right wing, earning £300 each time.
And in the Hudds cup game did nothing in the first half except moan at the ref and commit petty fouls forcing Clarke to sub him at half time.
When he could be bothered he was a good player, he just didn't bother most of the time. Is he related to Nick Blackman do you think ?
by Wax Jacket » 02 Mar 2016 15:53
by Nameless » 02 Mar 2016 15:58
Wax Jacket re the OP
Andy Hughes was fcuking shit
Nameless PAul Holsgrove obviously.
Michael Meaker for just being rubbish despite costing a lot and looking like he really didn't care (which by all accounts he didn't)
Not a big fan of Jamie Mackie either. Thought he was right up there in the 'turn it on for the cameras' club and again made it pretty clear that this was not where he wanted to be.
Not convinced by the Guthrie haters thing about 'refusing to play'. He din't. He told the manager he wasn't in the right frame of mind to travel to Sunderland (?) to sit on the bench. I thought there were off the field issues going on at the time and whilst I think a highly paid player kind of owes it to his employers to tough it out, sometimes it's more honest to say your not up to it if you are genuinely struggling. Would we praise an inured player who hid his injury and tried to play but as a result weakened the team and put himself out for longer ?
by marcusopp » 02 Mar 2016 21:52
by OldBiscuit » 02 Mar 2016 22:07
by Jagermesiter1871 » 02 Mar 2016 22:10
by OldBiscuit » 02 Mar 2016 22:18
Wax Jacket re the OP
Andy Hughes was fcuking shit
by OldBiscuit » 02 Mar 2016 22:22
Jagermesiter1871 Didn't we want rid of Blakey?
by harry » 02 Mar 2016 22:26
NamelessWax Jacket re the OP
Andy Hughes was fcuking shit
But
He scored that goal at Wolves
We got a shed load of money for him
You could not fault him for effort
He happily played any position asked, often in the same game at the same time
He seemed a pretty decent bloke
So why dislike him after he'd left ?
by Nameless » 03 Mar 2016 07:04
taipairoyalNameless PAul Holsgrove obviously.
Michael Meaker for just being rubbish despite costing a lot and looking like he really didn't care (which by all accounts he didn't)
Not a big fan of Jamie Mackie either. Thought he was right up there in the 'turn it on for the cameras' club and again made it pretty clear that this was not where he wanted to be.
Not convinced by the Guthrie haters thing about 'refusing to play'. He din't. He told the manager he wasn't in the right frame of mind to travel to Sunderland (?) to sit on the bench. I thought there were off the field issues going on at the time and whilst I think a highly paid player kind of owes it to his employers to tough it out, sometimes it's more honest to say your not up to it if you are genuinely struggling. Would we praise an inured player who hid his injury and tried to play but as a result weakened the team and put himself out for longer ?
Meaker and Mackie both class.
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