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Re: Rival Watch

by URZZZZ » 09 Nov 2019 23:45

Preston have had 8 penalties so far this season! Is it me or is that extremely high for this stage of the season?

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Re: Rival Watch

by Snowflake Royal » 09 Nov 2019 23:46

URZZZZ Preston have had 8 penalties so far this season! Is it me or is that extremely high for this stage of the season?

They spend half the game rolling around on the floor, so I guess it's inevitable the refs will fall for a few.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hound » 10 Nov 2019 08:11

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URZZZZ Preston have had 8 penalties so far this season! Is it me or is that extremely high for this stage of the season?

They spend half the game rolling around on the floor, so I guess it's inevitable the refs will fall for a few.


Yep that’s no real surprise tbh

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Re: Rival Watch

by 3points » 10 Nov 2019 08:33

URZZZZ Preston have had 8 penalties so far this season! Is it me or is that extremely high for this stage of the season?

Remind me a lot of us in Stam’s first season. Pretty average team, riding high. And we had something like 9 penalties before Christmas as well

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hound » 10 Nov 2019 10:04

we had that slightly odd run of missing pens and scoring the rebounds didn’t we?


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Re: Rival Watch

by URZZZZ » 10 Nov 2019 12:59

Hound we had that slightly odd run of missing pens and scoring the rebounds didn’t we?


Yeah, never known anything like it. Must have been a tactic from Stam surely about positioning, when to run in, where to run in etc because it’s too much of a coincidence to score that many rebounds. Interestingly enough, however, we didn’t score any in the second season. Quite strange

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Re: Rival Watch

by Snowflake Royal » 10 Nov 2019 14:11

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Hound we had that slightly odd run of missing pens and scoring the rebounds didn’t we?


Yeah, never known anything like it. Must have been a tactic from Stam surely about positioning, when to run in, where to run in etc because it’s too much of a coincidence to score that many rebounds. Interestingly enough, however, we didn’t score any in the second season. Quite strange

McCleary was particularly good iirc.

Reminded me of Morley scoring a header off his own penalty. And Archie skying a certain rebound. :evil: :cry:

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Re: Rival Watch

by URZZZZ » 10 Nov 2019 23:11

Thinking about penalties, when was the last time we actually scored a penalty? Surely it’s not Millwall (H) in October 2018?

Feels like we never ever get a penalty nowadays

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hound » 11 Nov 2019 06:45

Someone suggested Meite scored one last year, but I couldn’t place it

I think you might be right about Millwall. Baldock scores one a bit earlier vs Villa but can’t think of any more


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Re: Rival Watch

by Royals and Racers » 11 Nov 2019 08:39

3rd of the matches played- who looks as if they could be for the drop ? Barnsley look woeful and on Saturday’s performance Luton could join them. Think Wigan could join them.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Stranded » 11 Nov 2019 09:00

Royals and Racers 3rd of the matches played- who looks as if they could be for the drop ? Barnsley look woeful and on Saturday’s performance Luton could join them. Think Wigan could join them.


Barnsley are done I think. Not won since the opening day and bar the odd late equaliser it's a surprise when they pick up even a point.

Boro look in trouble and then a toss up between Wigan, Luton, Stoke and Blackburn. We can't be discounted but this uptick in form feels sustainable. Stoke will likely be fine but need to see how they settle under O'Neill when not playing someone so abject.

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Re: Rival Watch

by WestYorksRoyal » 11 Nov 2019 10:00

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Royals and Racers 3rd of the matches played- who looks as if they could be for the drop ? Barnsley look woeful and on Saturday’s performance Luton could join them. Think Wigan could join them.


Barnsley are done I think. Not won since the opening day and bar the odd late equaliser it's a surprise when they pick up even a point.

Boro look in trouble and then a toss up between Wigan, Luton, Stoke and Blackburn. We can't be discounted but this uptick in form feels sustainable. Stoke will likely be fine but need to see how they settle under O'Neill when not playing someone so abject.

It will be interesting to see how we respond to a defeat or poor performance under Bowen, as will happen at some point. I suspect we'll be fine; too much quality to get dragged in and Bowen seems good at the mental side of the game

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Re: Rival Watch

by Stranded » 11 Nov 2019 10:05

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Royals and Racers 3rd of the matches played- who looks as if they could be for the drop ? Barnsley look woeful and on Saturday’s performance Luton could join them. Think Wigan could join them.


Barnsley are done I think. Not won since the opening day and bar the odd late equaliser it's a surprise when they pick up even a point.

Boro look in trouble and then a toss up between Wigan, Luton, Stoke and Blackburn. We can't be discounted but this uptick in form feels sustainable. Stoke will likely be fine but need to see how they settle under O'Neill when not playing someone so abject.

It will be interesting to see how we respond to a defeat or poor performance under Bowen, as will happen at some point. I suspect we'll be fine; too much quality to get dragged in and Bowen seems good at the mental side of the game


That's what I mean by sustainable, I don't think a defeat or even 2 on the spin will derail the improvement this time - we look solid, confident and playing to our strengths and as we do actually have a lot of pretty decent players, this should see us fine. There is every chance that we may pick up 0 points from Brentford (a) and Leeds (H) but if that happens, I think this squad can and will bounce back. We could also easily pick up 4 or 6 points (Brentford's home form is pretty poor so far) as this team seems to believe they are good enough now.


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Re: Rival Watch

by URZZZZ » 11 Nov 2019 10:37

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Barnsley are done I think. Not won since the opening day and bar the odd late equaliser it's a surprise when they pick up even a point.

Boro look in trouble and then a toss up between Wigan, Luton, Stoke and Blackburn. We can't be discounted but this uptick in form feels sustainable. Stoke will likely be fine but need to see how they settle under O'Neill when not playing someone so abject.

It will be interesting to see how we respond to a defeat or poor performance under Bowen, as will happen at some point. I suspect we'll be fine; too much quality to get dragged in and Bowen seems good at the mental side of the game


That's what I mean by sustainable, I don't think a defeat or even 2 on the spin will derail the improvement this time - we look solid, confident and playing to our strengths and as we do actually have a lot of pretty decent players, this should see us fine. There is every chance that we may pick up 0 points from Brentford (a) and Leeds (H) but if that happens, I think this squad can and will bounce back. We could also easily pick up 4 or 6 points (Brentford's home form is pretty poor so far) as this team seems to believe they are good enough now.


Under Gomes I’d be more concerned about Brentford because he didn’t really seem to ever set up to how the opposition play apart from a brief spell last year (where he got his best results). You let Brentford play and they’ll beat you

What we need to do against them is keep it solid at the back, don’t make it open because they’ll pick you off, and then work on the counter. It’s what Huddersfield did to them a couple of weeks back. I’m confident Bowen can come up with a good plan

But agree that a couple of defeats shouldn’t derail the season, especially when you consider December is by far and away the most favourable run in so far. If we do manage some points in the next three, December could really see us push up with the likes of Birmingham, Barnsley, Stoke and Derby

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Re: Rival Watch

by From Despair To Where? » 11 Nov 2019 11:38

I don't think Bowen would let a couple of defeats derail it. I like his mantra of earning the right to play by doing the nasty stuff well.

You look at the 2005-07 team and the 2012 team and even with all abundant skill, the spine of both sides would run through brick walls for the team; Ivar, Sonko, Harper Sidwell, Kitson and Doyle or Pearce, Gorkss, Karacan, Liegertwood, Hunt and McAnuff.

I see the potential for that with the current side.

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Re: Rival Watch

by John Smith » 11 Nov 2019 11:55

How bad are Middlesbrough?! Their last win was when they beat us back in September and they have a stack of tough games coming up.

If they fail to beat Barnsley at home on 27th November, does Jonathan Woodgate go?

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Re: Rival Watch

by WestYorksRoyal » 11 Nov 2019 12:02

From Despair To Where? I don't think Bowen would let a couple of defeats derail it. I like his mantra of earning the right to play by doing the nasty stuff well.

You look at the 2005-07 team and the 2012 team and even with all abundant skill, the spine of both sides would run through brick walls for the team; Ivar, Sonko, Harper Sidwell, Kitson and Doyle or Pearce, Gorkss, Karacan, Liegertwood, Hunt and McAnuff.

I see the potential for that with the current side.

I can see a future spine here to kick on with.

Yiadom, Moore, Richards/Obita, Swift, Rinomhota, Puscas, Rafael. All will stay.

Bring back Ejaria permanently, Baldock and Morrison can be experienced heads for another couple of years. Plenty of academy talent coming through.

Next summer, priorities will be replacing Miazga and getting some winger options. Possibly CM depth if Pele leaves. Anything else is over complicating and taking us backwards when what we need is a stable core to the squad. Hopefully Kia Joorabchian doesn't persuade the owners into an overhaul.

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Re: Rival Watch

by From Despair To Where? » 11 Nov 2019 12:18

I think Miazga's ooc next summer and if he was anywhere near playing for Chelsea, he wouldn't be on loan, especially with their transfer embargo.

Don't bet against him being back here permanently next season, especially if Bowen continues to take us forward.

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Re: Rival Watch

by muirinho » 11 Nov 2019 12:24

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From Despair To Where? I don't think Bowen would let a couple of defeats derail it. I like his mantra of earning the right to play by doing the nasty stuff well.

You look at the 2005-07 team and the 2012 team and even with all abundant skill, the spine of both sides would run through brick walls for the team; Ivar, Sonko, Harper Sidwell, Kitson and Doyle or Pearce, Gorkss, Karacan, Liegertwood, Hunt and McAnuff.

I see the potential for that with the current side.

I can see a future spine here to kick on with.

Yiadom, Moore, Richards/Obita, Swift, Rinomhota, Puscas, Rafael. All will stay.

Bring back Ejaria permanently, Baldock and Morrison can be experienced heads for another couple of years. Plenty of academy talent coming through.

Next summer, priorities will be replacing Miazga and getting some winger options. Possibly CM depth if Pele leaves. Anything else is over complicating and taking us backwards when what we need is a stable core to the squad. Hopefully Kia Joorabchian doesn't persuade the owners into an overhaul.


I'd actually forgotten that Rafael is ours, In my head he was a loan player. I'm assuming Virginia's loan will end in December.

Hope Swift actually stays - his stats in terms of chances created are very good, so you could see other teams coming in for him.

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Re: Rival Watch

by lewesroyal » 11 Nov 2019 14:40

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Barnsley are done I think. Not won since the opening day and bar the odd late equaliser it's a surprise when they pick up even a point.

Boro look in trouble and then a toss up between Wigan, Luton, Stoke and Blackburn. We can't be discounted but this uptick in form feels sustainable. Stoke will likely be fine but need to see how they settle under O'Neill when not playing someone so abject.

It will be interesting to see how we respond to a defeat or poor performance under Bowen, as will happen at some point. I suspect we'll be fine; too much quality to get dragged in and Bowen seems good at the mental side of the game


That's what I mean by sustainable, I don't think a defeat or even 2 on the spin will derail the improvement this time - we look solid, confident and playing to our strengths and as we do actually have a lot of pretty decent players, this should see us fine. There is every chance that we may pick up 0 points from Brentford (a) and Leeds (H) but if that happens, I think this squad can and will bounce back. We could also easily pick up 4 or 6 points (Brentford's home form is pretty poor so far) as this team seems to believe they are good enough now.

I can definitely see us picking up 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 or 6 points from our next 2 games!

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