by Zip » 08 Aug 2021 10:45
by Hound » 08 Aug 2021 11:54
Zip The rules may also scupper our hopes of re-signing crucial players like Swift, Rinomhota, Meite and Laurent all of whom are out of contract next summer. If we are restricted to offering them £8,500 per week they will all leave on frees next summer.
by STAR Liaison » 08 Aug 2021 11:55
The CubeSTAR Liaisonandrew1957
You are making that up. If you read the official EFL statement regarding the Derby Chorley game which was issued on 20 July in the notes it categorically gives the definition of a player of professional standing to be when they have played one game. It also says if a player goes out on loan they still count in the 23. So we have 24 current players who have been involved in at least one game as I said earlier. I imagine we are trying to get special dispensation to give us some scope to sign a few - perhaps one out on loan one in.
Head of legal at EFL said otherwise in response to a direct question, suggesting that it was wrong for just one app to count you in as one of the 23 allowed players. Five he said. Maybe we'd better get in touch with the club to make sure they know!
There are 2 different things:
Player of Professional Standing (23 allowed) - A Player who has made one first team appearance (including as a sub) for any Club in any first team competition (EFL Trophy appearances do not count).
Established Player (24 allowed) - A player aged 21 or over as at the 30 June immediately prior to the commencement of the season in which the Club is subject to the Embargo and who has been named in the starting XI on a total of at least five occasions.
We have more players in the first category than would allow us to make signings, but we do have scope in the second category.The published version of the rules does not make it clear whether it is "both" or "either/or" that go into decisions.
by Snowflake Royal » 08 Aug 2021 12:06
Hound Didn’t someone in the thread say that if we loan someone it doesn’t make any difference? Otherwise pretty sure we’d have shipped a load of u23 to our friendly non league mates like Bath and Maidenhead
Surprised we haven’t also paid McNulty off if that would make a difference
by Zip » 08 Aug 2021 12:07
HoundZip The rules may also scupper our hopes of re-signing crucial players like Swift, Rinomhota, Meite and Laurent all of whom are out of contract next summer. If we are restricted to offering them £8,500 per week they will all leave on frees next summer.
I’m confused how we tied McIntyre down to 3 years if this is the case
by Zip » 08 Aug 2021 12:08
STAR LiaisonThe CubeSTAR Liaison
Head of legal at EFL said otherwise in response to a direct question, suggesting that it was wrong for just one app to count you in as one of the 23 allowed players. Five he said. Maybe we'd better get in touch with the club to make sure they know!
There are 2 different things:
Player of Professional Standing (23 allowed) - A Player who has made one first team appearance (including as a sub) for any Club in any first team competition (EFL Trophy appearances do not count).
Established Player (24 allowed) - A player aged 21 or over as at the 30 June immediately prior to the commencement of the season in which the Club is subject to the Embargo and who has been named in the starting XI on a total of at least five occasions.
We have more players in the first category than would allow us to make signings, but we do have scope in the second category.The published version of the rules does not make it clear whether it is "both" or "either/or" that go into decisions.
Thanks, that’s very helpful in explaining why there is a confusion - without actually resolving it. The rules do seem loose. Moreover, how do they cope with a situation like Meite who is out long term injured? Does he still count? If he didn’t, would we still be ok paying his wages (obvs yes but …)?
by Snowflake Royal » 08 Aug 2021 12:12
ZipHoundZip The rules may also scupper our hopes of re-signing crucial players like Swift, Rinomhota, Meite and Laurent all of whom are out of contract next summer. If we are restricted to offering them £8,500 per week they will all leave on frees next summer.
I’m confused how we tied McIntyre down to 3 years if this is the case
Did we offer him £8,500 a week? This would probably have been an improvement on his previous contract.
by Hound » 08 Aug 2021 12:14
Snowflake RoyalZipHound
I’m confused how we tied McIntyre down to 3 years if this is the case
Did we offer him £8,500 a week? This would probably have been an improvement on his previous contract.
Yeah, more leeway as doesn't change the number of players in the squad, so if it remains withing the permitted range it would be OK
by Snowflake Royal » 08 Aug 2021 12:17
HoundSnowflake RoyalZip
Did we offer him £8,500 a week? This would probably have been an improvement on his previous contract.
Yeah, more leeway as doesn't change the number of players in the squad, so if it remains withing the permitted range it would be OK
Could imagine him being on about that but it’s the 3 year bit which is at odds
Therefore we should be able to offer Rino the same and he may accept that. Doubt the others would
by The Royal Forester » 08 Aug 2021 12:27
The CubeSTAR Liaisonandrew1957
You are making that up. If you read the official EFL statement regarding the Derby Chorley game which was issued on 20 July in the notes it categorically gives the definition of a player of professional standing to be when they have played one game. It also says if a player goes out on loan they still count in the 23. So we have 24 current players who have been involved in at least one game as I said earlier. I imagine we are trying to get special dispensation to give us some scope to sign a few - perhaps one out on loan one in.
Head of legal at EFL said otherwise in response to a direct question, suggesting that it was wrong for just one app to count you in as one of the 23 allowed players. Five he said. Maybe we'd better get in touch with the club to make sure they know!
There are 2 different things:
Player of Professional Standing (23 allowed) - A Player who has made one first team appearance (including as a sub) for any Club in any first team competition (EFL Trophy appearances do not count).
Established Player (24 allowed) - A player aged 21 or over as at the 30 June immediately prior to the commencement of the season in which the Club is subject to the Embargo and who has been named in the starting XI on a total of at least five occasions.
We have more players in the first category than would allow us to make signings, but we do have scope in the second category.The published version of the rules does not make it clear whether it is "both" or "either/or" that go into decisions.
by Ascotexgunner » 08 Aug 2021 14:44
by andrew1957 » 08 Aug 2021 14:49
STAR Liaisonandrew1957STAR Liaison
Have heard direct from EFL that the definition is FIVE matches (maybe starts, not sure) not one, as mistakenly reported on BBC and elsewhere.
You are making that up. If you read the official EFL statement regarding the Derby Chorley game which was issued on 20 July in the notes it categorically gives the definition of a player of professional standing to be when they have played one game. It also says if a player goes out on loan they still count in the 23. So we have 24 current players who have been involved in at least one game as I said earlier. I imagine we are trying to get special dispensation to give us some scope to sign a few - perhaps one out on loan one in.
Head of legal at EFL said otherwise in response to a direct question, suggesting that it was wrong for just one app to count you in as one of the 23 allowed players. Five he said. Maybe we'd better get in touch with the club to make sure they know!
by NathStPaul » 08 Aug 2021 15:00
by Hound » 08 Aug 2021 15:04
andrew1957STAR Liaisonandrew1957
You are making that up. If you read the official EFL statement regarding the Derby Chorley game which was issued on 20 July in the notes it categorically gives the definition of a player of professional standing to be when they have played one game. It also says if a player goes out on loan they still count in the 23. So we have 24 current players who have been involved in at least one game as I said earlier. I imagine we are trying to get special dispensation to give us some scope to sign a few - perhaps one out on loan one in.
Head of legal at EFL said otherwise in response to a direct question, suggesting that it was wrong for just one app to count you in as one of the 23 allowed players. Five he said. Maybe we'd better get in touch with the club to make sure they know!
Having read the whole EFL rule in detail it definitely says club cannot bring in new players if they have 23 of a professional standing - player has been involved in one game. It then goes on to imply that if there are not 23 established players - players involved in 5 games, the club can seek permission to add to the squad but this will be decided on a case by case basis at EFL discretion. Presumably the EFL have not relented so far which is why we can sign no one. The rules also say that if players are sent out on loan they definitely sill count in the 23.
I assume this must mean we are trying to ship McNulty out on a permanent deal otherwise surely we would be better to keep him.
by Pepe the Horseman » 08 Aug 2021 15:09
by leon » 08 Aug 2021 15:09
by Pepe the Horseman » 08 Aug 2021 15:13
leon Stick that up your bollocks Fulham.
by leon » 08 Aug 2021 15:15
Pepe the Horsemanleon Stick that up your bollocks Fulham.
Not a fan, Leon?
by linkenholtroyal » 08 Aug 2021 16:53
Fezzalinkenholtroyallinkenholtroyal Would be interesting how they fit into positions in our squad.
Who are the 24 that have made an appearance?
I have
Rafael
Southwood
Yiadom
McIntyre
Holmes
Moore
Morrison
Tetek
Meite
Rinhomota
Laurent
Puscas
Joao
Mcnulty
Aruruna
Swift
Ejaria
Melvin-Lambert
Bristow
Samuels
Abbey
Azeez
Dorsett
Sackey
If Azeez has not started a game yet I think he will start on the right tomorrow so will qualify as another one.
I have updated after today so we have 24 players with at least 1 first team appearance. So officially we can’t sign anyone unless someone leaves.
You have Aruruna down twice on that list.
by Royal_jimmy » 08 Aug 2021 17:17
linkenholtroyalFezzalinkenholtroyal I have updated after today so we have 24 players with at least 1 first team appearance. So officially we can’t sign anyone unless someone leaves.
You have Aruruna down twice on that list.
There you go then 23 with a first team appearance still stuffed.
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