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Re: Rival Watch

by PATRIQT » 24 May 2022 12:20

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This deal put the Olise sale into perspective. The leagues best youngster goes to Liverpool for basically peanuts. At least they got that 20% sell-on clause I guess.


Again though, free in 12 months, so that's good business.

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Re: Rival Watch

by 3points » 24 May 2022 13:20

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Yeah it does, I'm sure Fulham will be as frustrated as what we are to lose someone with potentially such value for such little money in the grand scheme of things, particularly when you look at the sums of money some other promising youngsters have left for in recent years and others that seem to have high values these days as well.


It's pretty much a formal policy of the Premier League. They agree to make 'solidarity' payments to the lower leagues and in return they are allowed to poach the players for minimal return.


It's basically like a rebate all said and done. Brentford did it well with their use of a B team which stopped other clubs in the UK from easily poaching their players through the youth ranks.

Don't think Brentford have an academy / youth system do they? I thought their model was to pick up other clubs' rejects at 16+ and save all the costs of running a full academy. Think Huddersfield do the same as well. Reason being all the good talent nearby gets scouted by the big clubs anyway, and those that get rejected are good enough for Brentford (though a couple of seasons in the Prem may change that approach)

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Re: Rival Watch

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 24 May 2022 13:57

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It's pretty much a formal policy of the Premier League. They agree to make 'solidarity' payments to the lower leagues and in return they are allowed to poach the players for minimal return.


It's basically like a rebate all said and done. Brentford did it well with their use of a B team which stopped other clubs in the UK from easily poaching their players through the youth ranks.

Don't think Brentford have an academy / youth system do they? I thought their model was to pick up other clubs' rejects at 16+ and save all the costs of running a full academy. Think Huddersfield do the same as well. Reason being all the good talent nearby gets scouted by the big clubs anyway, and those that get rejected are good enough for Brentford (though a couple of seasons in the Prem may change that approach)


No, they scrapped it for use of a B team. They did it so they could pick up prospects from overseas and it also stopped bigger clubs in England from poaching their better youth players as well through the system.

I'm not sure whether Huddersfield did it for financial reasons as well as that as well. It probably wasn't cost effective running an academy that wasn't churning out talent.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Simon's Church » 24 May 2022 14:33

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It's basically like a rebate all said and done. Brentford did it well with their use of a B team which stopped other clubs in the UK from easily poaching their players through the youth ranks.

Don't think Brentford have an academy / youth system do they? I thought their model was to pick up other clubs' rejects at 16+ and save all the costs of running a full academy. Think Huddersfield do the same as well. Reason being all the good talent nearby gets scouted by the big clubs anyway, and those that get rejected are good enough for Brentford (though a couple of seasons in the Prem may change that approach)


No, they scrapped it for use of a B team. They did it so they could pick up prospects from overseas and it also stopped bigger clubs in England from poaching their better youth players as well through the system.

I'm not sure whether Huddersfield did it for financial reasons as well as that as well. It probably wasn't cost effective running an academy that wasn't churning out talent.


Why does not having an academy mean they are more able to sign players from overseas?

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Re: Rival Watch

by Snowflake Royal » 24 May 2022 14:47

The Academy system has a compensation package built in that makes it easy and fairly cheap for higher cat academies to poach from lower cat academies.

Presumably by abandoning Academy route, Brentford go for professional contracts younger and focus their money on scouting abroad rather than maintaining the academy.


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Re: Rival Watch

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 24 May 2022 14:58

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3points Don't think Brentford have an academy / youth system do they? I thought their model was to pick up other clubs' rejects at 16+ and save all the costs of running a full academy. Think Huddersfield do the same as well. Reason being all the good talent nearby gets scouted by the big clubs anyway, and those that get rejected are good enough for Brentford (though a couple of seasons in the Prem may change that approach)


No, they scrapped it for use of a B team. They did it so they could pick up prospects from overseas and it also stopped bigger clubs in England from poaching their better youth players as well through the system.

I'm not sure whether Huddersfield did it for financial reasons as well as that as well. It probably wasn't cost effective running an academy that wasn't churning out talent.


Why does not having an academy mean they are more able to sign players from overseas?


I don't think it does actually make it any easier, could be wrong, but it obviously makes it easier for them to keep hold of their talents without having them being poached from better clubs/academies in England.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Nameless » 24 May 2022 15:53

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No, they scrapped it for use of a B team. They did it so they could pick up prospects from overseas and it also stopped bigger clubs in England from poaching their better youth players as well through the system.

I'm not sure whether Huddersfield did it for financial reasons as well as that as well. It probably wasn't cost effective running an academy that wasn't churning out talent.


Why does not having an academy mean they are more able to sign players from overseas?


I don't think it does actually make it any easier, could be wrong, but it obviously makes it easier for them to keep hold of their talents without having them being poached from better clubs/academies in England.


How does it make it easier to stop other clubs poaching players , apart from you can’t poach players that don’t exist ?
None of our players on pro contracts can be poached either.

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Re: Rival Watch

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 24 May 2022 16:34

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Why does not having an academy mean they are more able to sign players from overseas?


I don't think it does actually make it any easier, could be wrong, but it obviously makes it easier for them to keep hold of their talents without having them being poached from better clubs/academies in England.


How does it make it easier to stop other clubs poaching players , apart from you can’t poach players that don’t exist ?
None of our players on pro contracts can be poached either.


It's because their B team sits outside the FA's Elite Player Development structure. They don't actually compete in a league, but play a series of friendlies against other U23 sides or other B teams. This leaves them exempt from the FA's rules meaning that their players cannot be poached by other clubs in their youth set up.

Obviously those who have a professional contract can't be, but those that aren't can be in the FA's model anyway.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Sutekh » 24 May 2022 16:51

NathStPaul Are we the most Southern club in the league next season?


Lot of awful long away days next season. Other than Bristol, QPR, Luton, Watford and Millwall think every away trip is a 200+ mile round trip:

Under 200 mile

    Bristol C
    QPR
    Watford
    Millwall
    Luton

Over 200 mile

    Cardiff
    Coventry (just about 100 miles or so away)
    Brum
    Hudds/Forest
    Middlesbrough
    Sunderland
    Swansea
    Norwich
    Burnley
    Preston
    Wigan
    Blackburn
    Rotherham
    Blackpool
    WBA
    Stoke
    Sheffield U
    Hull


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Re: Rival Watch

by Simon's Church » 24 May 2022 17:46

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Why does not having an academy mean they are more able to sign players from overseas?


I don't think it does actually make it any easier, could be wrong, but it obviously makes it easier for them to keep hold of their talents without having them being poached from better clubs/academies in England.


How does it make it easier to stop other clubs poaching players , apart from you can’t poach players that don’t exist ?
None of our players on pro contracts can be poached either.


It's a similar strategy to we use for our first team, can't lose your good players cheaply if you never have good players in the first place

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Re: Rival Watch

by Mid Sussex Royal » 24 May 2022 18:36

blythspartan They could have been a rival but how have Everton got away with writing off £170m to covid losses? It sounds like an obscene amount of money.


Burnley and Leeds took this up with the Premier League last week....not seen anything in the media since and obviously Leeds will lose interest now.

On this subject, Grant McCann made some comment after Pboro's last game re the season not being over, implying they were looking at our situation, again not heard anything since

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Re: Rival Watch

by Stranded » 25 May 2022 07:45

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blythspartan They could have been a rival but how have Everton got away with writing off £170m to covid losses? It sounds like an obscene amount of money.


Burnley and Leeds took this up with the Premier League last week....not seen anything in the media since and obviously Leeds will lose interest now.

On this subject, Grant McCann made some comment after Pboro's last game re the season not being over, implying they were looking at our situation, again not heard anything since


There was a story in the Peterborough local paper a few days later that essentially said, no chance. EFL happy with us at the mo and if there did happen to be a breach points would come off next season.

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Re: Rival Watch

by blythspartan » 25 May 2022 08:05

As our points deduction was fairly lenient I am hoping that it’s because we have been transparent throughout the process. I can’t help thinking that there must be clubs like Stoke who haven’t held their hands up but have somehow been clever enough to avoid embargoes and point deductions so far. The Everton situation stinks to me and they should be deducted points. But that’s just my opinion.


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Re: Rival Watch

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 25 May 2022 08:56

Well we obviously don't know everything about the Stoke situation but surely, given the losses they posted on accounts, they can't get away with that otherwise every club will start dodging FFP regulations that way.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Sutekh » 25 May 2022 10:00

YorkshireRoyal99 Well we obviously don't know everything about the Stoke situation but surely, given the losses they posted on accounts, they can't get away with that otherwise every club will start dodging FFP regulations that way.


Stoke are a bit like Reading I think with much of their debt being owed to the owners of the club, however that obviously does prevent point deductions. The fans don’t seem too concerned by it though.

Bristol City seem to be the club most likely to be hit with a points deduction:

https://fanbanter.co.uk/bristol-city-fa ... ge-to-efl/

Middlesbrough were the other club rumoured to be in trouble and did report operating losses of £35m last year:

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/foo ... e-20208544

The other thing with all this ffp stuff is that UEFA are introducing their own guidelines in June with club having 3 years to comply (presuming it applies to the football league):

https://www.uefa.com/returntoplay/news/ ... gulations/

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Re: Rival Watch

by paultheroyal » 25 May 2022 10:40

Strong rumours that Bristol City are in an utter mess and teetering.

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Re: Rival Watch

by NathStPaul » 25 May 2022 12:10

Vincent Kompany linked with the Burnley job.

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Re: Rival Watch

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 25 May 2022 12:10

I definitely think at least one of those clubs will be hit by something this coming season.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Stranded » 25 May 2022 12:12

NathStPaul Vincent Kompany linked with the Burnley job.


Done a pretty poor job at Anderlecht really, so feels like they are going for a name there over anything else.

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Re: Rival Watch

by NathStPaul » 25 May 2022 12:14

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NathStPaul Vincent Kompany linked with the Burnley job.


Done a pretty poor job at Anderlecht really, so feels like they are going for a name there over anything else.

From what I have read he did walk into a bit of a mess there, they are far from the club they used to be. That being said, Burnley would be nuts to not get in a Championship specialist in IMO. They need to get back up next season or they could enter a period of major decline.

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