Rival Watch

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Re: Rival Watch

by Barney » 15 Sep 2021 20:54

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NathStPaul Derby to get a 12 point deduction, 3 of those points suspended.


Source?


Agree. Can anyone confirm this ? Can't find it anywhere.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Ascotexgunner » 15 Sep 2021 21:14

Think we maybe seeing the first managerial casualty. When we are bad....we are really bad but Forest are beyond that and dire. They look utterly clueless.
I've never rated Houghton's style of play and certainly was glad he never showed up at Reading. Brighton had sense to move on from him and I sense they were bored of his style as well.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Ascotexgunner » 15 Sep 2021 21:17

ROFL at Boro second goal.....priceless :D
That backpass was harder than any of Forests shots :D
Brutal from Boro fans....sacked in the morning chant

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Re: Rival Watch

by Pepe the Horseman » 15 Sep 2021 21:22

Fulham battering B'ham. Doesn't bode well for Saturday.

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Re: Rival Watch

by NathStPaul » 15 Sep 2021 21:25

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NathStPaul Derby to get a 12 point deduction, 3 of those points suspended.


Source?


Agree. Can anyone confirm this ? Can't find it anywhere.

It was reported by Adrian Durham on TalkSport about 7pm. The EFL and Derby have agreed it, expected to be announced tomorrow.


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Re: Rival Watch

by Ascotexgunner » 15 Sep 2021 21:27

Pepe the Horseman Fulham battering B'ham. Doesn't bode well for Saturday.


No problem....Fulham will be over confident and we will sneak the win.
Plus I'll wear my lucky Jan Kermogant shirt to the game.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Lower West » 15 Sep 2021 21:48

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Pepe the Horseman That's two places taken up then. We'll do well to get relegated now.


As long as we don’t get a points deduction too.

Yeh, there is that.


Hardly surprising our owners stance is not to talk directly to the fans.........

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Re: Rival Watch

by Stranded » 15 Sep 2021 22:02

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Pepe the Horseman That's two places taken up then. We'll do well to get relegated now.


As long as we don’t get a points deduction too.


We would need to be charged with something first. Not saying it isn't a possibility but it isn't immediate.

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Re: Rival Watch

by NathStPaul » 15 Sep 2021 22:05

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Pepe the Horseman That's two places taken up then. We'll do well to get relegated now.


As long as we don’t get a points deduction too.


We would need to be charged with something first. Not saying it isn't a possibility but it isn't immediate.

You'd think it would come next season if it happens.


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Re: Rival Watch

by URZZZZ » 15 Sep 2021 22:23

windermereROYAL Hughton`s days have to be numbered at Forest if they lose tonight.


Believe tonight was the final straw, Hughton been sacked

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Re: Rival Watch

by Crowbar6753 » 15 Sep 2021 22:27

Pepe the Horseman Fulham battering B'ham. Doesn't bode well for Saturday.


Zonal marking against "Mitrovic" should be fun to watch :D

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Re: Rival Watch

by genome » 15 Sep 2021 22:29

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windermereROYAL Hughton`s days have to be numbered at Forest if they lose tonight.


Believe tonight was the final straw, Hughton been sacked


He's doing the post-match interviews right now, oddly

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Re: Rival Watch

by WestYorksRoyal » 15 Sep 2021 22:44

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Source?


Agree. Can anyone confirm this ? Can't find it anywhere.

It was reported by Adrian Durham on TalkSport about 7pm. The EFL and Derby have agreed it, expected to be announced tomorrow.

Sky reporting it too. I wonder what threshold needs to be crossed for a points deduction to be imposed, and how close to the wind we're sailing.


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Re: Rival Watch

by windermereROYAL » 16 Sep 2021 00:09

Reported on Quest that the points deduction was for financial irregularities. in other words manipulating the figures. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it`s our turn next.

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Re: Rival Watch

by tidus_mi2 » 16 Sep 2021 01:42

windermereROYAL Reported on Quest that the points deduction was for financial irregularities. in other words manipulating the figures. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it`s our turn next.

We didn't manipulate figures though

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Re: Rival Watch

by Simmops » 16 Sep 2021 06:46

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Source?


Agree. Can anyone confirm this ? Can't find it anywhere.

It was reported by Adrian Durham on TalkSport about 7pm. The EFL and Derby have agreed it, expected to be announced tomorrow.
:roll:

That guy is clueless

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Re: Rival Watch

by Stranded » 16 Sep 2021 08:36

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windermereROYAL Reported on Quest that the points deduction was for financial irregularities. in other words manipulating the figures. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it`s our turn next.

We didn't manipulate figures though


Exactly - we have throughout this worked with the EFL and only bought players etc when we have been given the green light - and this summer worked strictly within their requirements - even not bringing in a stiker yet in line with the apparent 1 in, 1 out situation they have now applied.

We may end up seeing a deduction for breaching the loss limits but the embargo is there as a means to stop that happening and you would hope the limits the EFL have set are based on calculations of expected losses that will see us come in/or only just over the losses allowed - remember none of us know what impact Covid will have on the calculations for P&S - a lot of the losses we've seen may well be written off from a calculation perspective.

On the other hand, Derby have essentially been at war with the EFL for months - used creative accounting to stop them breaching P&S limits that was found to be dodgy - failed to resubmit accounts by the deadline, didn't pay players one month etc, etc.

So whilst we may one day see a points deduction (but by no means guaranteed), our situation is just not comparable to the Derby shitshow.

As may also have been mentioned, how annoyed would you be as a Wycombe fan right now - though they may find a promotion race more entertaining than another battle to stay up.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hendo » 16 Sep 2021 08:40

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windermereROYAL Reported on Quest that the points deduction was for financial irregularities. in other words manipulating the figures. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it`s our turn next.

We didn't manipulate figures though


Exactly - we have throughout this worked with the EFL and only bought players etc when we have been given the green light - and this summer worked strictly within their requirements - even not bringing in a stiker yet in line with the apparent 1 in, 1 out situation they have now applied.

We may end up seeing a deduction for breaching the loss limits but the embargo is there as a means to stop that happening and you would hope the limits the EFL have set are based on calculations of expected losses that will see us come in/or only just over the losses allowed - remember none of us know what impact Covid will have on the calculations for P&S - a lot of the losses we've seen may well be written off from a calculation perspective.

On the other hand, Derby have essentially been at war with the EFL for months - used creative accounting to stop them breaching P&S limits that was found to be dodgy - failed to resubmit accounts by the deadline, didn't pay players one month etc, etc.

So whilst we may one day see a points deduction (but by no means guaranteed), our situation is just not comparable to the Derby shitshow.

As may also have been mentioned, how annoyed would you be as a Wycombe fan right now - though they may find a promotion race more entertaining than another battle to stay up.


This is true, but as someone I saw on twitter posted, they only ended up in the play-offs, when they got promoted, due to COVID and the league shutting down. :wink:

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Re: Rival Watch

by Stranded » 16 Sep 2021 08:45

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tidus_mi2 We didn't manipulate figures though


Exactly - we have throughout this worked with the EFL and only bought players etc when we have been given the green light - and this summer worked strictly within their requirements - even not bringing in a stiker yet in line with the apparent 1 in, 1 out situation they have now applied.

We may end up seeing a deduction for breaching the loss limits but the embargo is there as a means to stop that happening and you would hope the limits the EFL have set are based on calculations of expected losses that will see us come in/or only just over the losses allowed - remember none of us know what impact Covid will have on the calculations for P&S - a lot of the losses we've seen may well be written off from a calculation perspective.

On the other hand, Derby have essentially been at war with the EFL for months - used creative accounting to stop them breaching P&S limits that was found to be dodgy - failed to resubmit accounts by the deadline, didn't pay players one month etc, etc.

So whilst we may one day see a points deduction (but by no means guaranteed), our situation is just not comparable to the Derby shitshow.

As may also have been mentioned, how annoyed would you be as a Wycombe fan right now - though they may find a promotion race more entertaining than another battle to stay up.


This is true, but as someone I saw on twitter posted, they only ended up in the play-offs, when they got promoted, due to COVID and the league shutting down. :wink:


:-) True enough - would still feel like you've been cheated out of a place - wasn't it Peterborough who missed out and have now taken the place of whipping boys (apart from Forest) - so has probably all evened up. Would be quite entertaining to see Wycombe up and Derby down this season though.

At the moment, you would have to say that with the deductions and on what we've seen so far - the bottom 3 looks likely to be made up of 3 of Forest, Derby, Peterborough, Hull & Blackpool. I don't think we'll be too close to that lot for a too long. Fingers crossed.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hendo » 16 Sep 2021 08:50

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Exactly - we have throughout this worked with the EFL and only bought players etc when we have been given the green light - and this summer worked strictly within their requirements - even not bringing in a stiker yet in line with the apparent 1 in, 1 out situation they have now applied.

We may end up seeing a deduction for breaching the loss limits but the embargo is there as a means to stop that happening and you would hope the limits the EFL have set are based on calculations of expected losses that will see us come in/or only just over the losses allowed - remember none of us know what impact Covid will have on the calculations for P&S - a lot of the losses we've seen may well be written off from a calculation perspective.

On the other hand, Derby have essentially been at war with the EFL for months - used creative accounting to stop them breaching P&S limits that was found to be dodgy - failed to resubmit accounts by the deadline, didn't pay players one month etc, etc.

So whilst we may one day see a points deduction (but by no means guaranteed), our situation is just not comparable to the Derby shitshow.

As may also have been mentioned, how annoyed would you be as a Wycombe fan right now - though they may find a promotion race more entertaining than another battle to stay up.


This is true, but as someone I saw on twitter posted, they only ended up in the play-offs, when they got promoted, due to COVID and the league shutting down. :wink:


:-) True enough - would still feel like you've been cheated out of a place - wasn't it Peterborough who missed out and have now taken the place of whipping boys (apart from Forest) - so has probably all evened up. Would be quite entertaining to see Wycombe up and Derby down this season though.

At the moment, you would have to say that with the deductions and on what we've seen so far - the bottom 3 looks likely to be made up of 3 of Forest, Derby, Peterborough, Hull & Blackpool. I don't think we'll be too close to that lot for a too long. Fingers crossed.


Yeah, I think it was Peterborough who missed out, it wasn't Sunderland was it? I can't remember now. Yeah, it would be nice to see Derby and Wycombe swap places at the end of the year.

Think you're right regarding the bottom 3, Forest might survive if they can have a very good new manager bounce. I would've put PNE in there as well after their display here earlier in the season, but they seemed to have turned it around a little bit.

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