by sandman » 03 Oct 2018 21:28
by SCIAG » 03 Oct 2018 21:38
sandman It's interesting that it was Ascotexgunner, well known Graham Harry Potter enthusiast, who raised the shots issue. He's got them sixth in the table that matters so you can't knock him too much but would his style of play have us in that position? We've tried it with Adkins, Stam and to lesser extent Clarke and it's failed miserably, so going on past evidence you'd have to say it's a no.
by sandman » 03 Oct 2018 21:41
SCIAGsandman It's interesting that it was Ascotexgunner, well known Graham Harry Potter enthusiast, who raised the shots issue. He's got them sixth in the table that matters so you can't knock him too much but would his style of play have us in that position? We've tried it with Adkins, Stam and to lesser extent Clarke and it's failed miserably, so going on past evidence you'd have to say it's a no.
You say it's failed miserably, but Stam got us within a penalty of the PL and Adkins got us to 7th. We looked like we were going to go up automatically when Clarke got us playing a progressive style, and that only fell away when three players got injured and he tried to jump ship.
Contrastingly, when we sacked Adkins and Stam and replaced them with the more negative approaches of Clarke (in that first half season) and Clement, we saw no upturn in results or performances. Although by the same token, McDermott's more possession-based style didn't improve results on Clarke's last month either.
Possession football has been the Reading way for the last decade (except occasionally in the first team) and it's a style that all our players are familiar with. It also gets better results and more entertaining football. The evidence suggests that there's nothing magic about Reading that means that our players can't play possession-based football - if anything, we tend to do better in that style.
by strap » 03 Oct 2018 22:40
by royalp-we » 03 Oct 2018 23:42
by leon » 03 Oct 2018 23:49
sandman https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/7/Seasons/7379/Stages/16389/TeamStatistics/England-Championship-2018-2019
Is our problem the number of shots or is it not being clinical enough outside of Bodvarsson?
It's interesting that it was Ascotexgunner, well known Graham Harry Potter enthusiast, who raised the shots issue. He's got them sixth in the table that matters so you can't knock him too much but would his style of play have us in that position? We've tried it with Adkins, Stam and to lesser extent Clarke and it's failed miserably, so going on past evidence you'd have to say it's a no.
That other HNA? managerial favourite and Reading legend, Phil Parkinson isn't exactly getting his players firing away at will. Again higher than us, and beat us so can't knock him too much.
Just found it interesting.
*Edit
On XG we would be 16th, Swansea would be 19th and Bolton would be bottom.
https://www.infogol.net/leagues/english-football-league-championship-table-2018-19/89
Perhaps our problems are defensive.
by Jackson Corner » 04 Oct 2018 00:50
by CountryRoyal » 04 Oct 2018 01:54
sandman The Adkins season we failed to make the play offs with a squad where play offs were the minimum we should have been aiming for.
by leon » 04 Oct 2018 08:54
CountryRoyalsandman The Adkins season we failed to make the play offs with a squad where play offs were the minimum we should have been aiming for.
That was a weird season. It’s almost forgotten. In hindsight just missing out on the playoffs would otherwise represent a good season, but as you say, even discounting the final day drama, it was a dissapointing outcome. Despite winning a lot and some good results (7-1 etc) the overwhelming game to game feeling was that of underperforming and frustration.
That feeling has continued but the results have dried up. That for me was the first season in recent history where I’ve really felt expectation of success, and ultimately falling so far behind that.
Under McD v1 we didn’t have expectation, we had hope and confidence that a team would give their all and if that wasn’t enough so be it. Annoying but we were often underdogs-ish. 13/14. We’ve now supposedly “got money”, just down from the prem, full of supposedly decent players. Failed. Adkins gone next season.
Season after. Supposedly have money, supposedly decent squad, big name signings (John, Vydra, Piazon) started well, decent expectation, failed.
Next season. Supposedly have even more money now. Still. Little expectation, surprised and did well despite generally poor performances.
Season after, now we, rightly had expectation, did absolutely appallingly. Should have been relegated. Failed.
Now we’re here. Fair to say most had little expectations but harboured some realistic hopes of improvement, if only subtle.
The common theme is the type of performances that weve seen since relegation in 12/13. It just hasn’t felt like the Reading we all know and fell in love with, and to a certain extent, it’s because it’s not.
The only positive about now is that I think it’s making us all acutely aware of just how lucky we were following the club the way it was for as long as it was. I feel guilty for being happy when I saw the news initially a Russian “mega wealthy” (lol) was going to take us over. I thought at the time yes! We’re not little old Reading anymore, we’ve made it, now we have the financial ability to really push on.
Fcuk me. What a joke.
by Hound » 04 Oct 2018 09:03
Snowflake Royal Manager is least of our problems.
If we did get a new manager they should be experienced. But we don't sign experienced managers. I'd take McCarthy with a sigh.
But I don't want a new manager. I want Clement to get two full seasons, just to make a oxf*rd change if nothing else.
HoundSnowflake Royal Manager is least of our problems.
If we did get a new manager they should be experienced. But we don't sign experienced managers. I'd take McCarthy with a sigh.
But I don't want a new manager. I want Clement to get two full seasons, just to make a oxf*rd change if nothing else.
yeah agree. I do like Clement and want him to do well.
He frustrates me though - its 3 or 4 times he has picked the wrong players, and then waits to long in the game to fix it. He acknowledges the fact, but he really needs to be more decisive and stop making the same errors. I'm sure he knows what the best 11 is, and who the subs should be, and he just stick with it.
He just seems to be learning on the job a little more than I would expect. Getting lumped with a 30 man squad really hasn't helped his cause mind you
by Sutekh » 04 Oct 2018 09:24
leonCountryRoyalsandman The Adkins season we failed to make the play offs with a squad where play offs were the minimum we should have been aiming for.
That was a weird season. It’s almost forgotten. In hindsight just missing out on the playoffs would otherwise represent a good season, but as you say, even discounting the final day drama, it was a dissapointing outcome. Despite winning a lot and some good results (7-1 etc) the overwhelming game to game feeling was that of underperforming and frustration.
That feeling has continued but the results have dried up. That for me was the first season in recent history where I’ve really felt expectation of success, and ultimately falling so far behind that.
Under McD v1 we didn’t have expectation, we had hope and confidence that a team would give their all and if that wasn’t enough so be it. Annoying but we were often underdogs-ish. 13/14. We’ve now supposedly “got money”, just down from the prem, full of supposedly decent players. Failed. Adkins gone next season.
Season after. Supposedly have money, supposedly decent squad, big name signings (John, Vydra, Piazon) started well, decent expectation, failed.
Next season. Supposedly have even more money now. Still. Little expectation, surprised and did well despite generally poor performances.
Season after, now we, rightly had expectation, did absolutely appallingly. Should have been relegated. Failed.
Now we’re here. Fair to say most had little expectations but harboured some realistic hopes of improvement, if only subtle.
The common theme is the type of performances that weve seen since relegation in 12/13. It just hasn’t felt like the Reading we all know and fell in love with, and to a certain extent, it’s because it’s not.
The only positive about now is that I think it’s making us all acutely aware of just how lucky we were following the club the way it was for as long as it was. I feel guilty for being happy when I saw the news initially a Russian “mega wealthy” (lol) was going to take us over. I thought at the time yes! We’re not little old Reading anymore, we’ve made it, now we have the financial ability to really push on.
Fcuk me. What a joke.
Nice sig.
by Getthebeerens » 04 Oct 2018 13:41
by Snowflake Royal » 04 Oct 2018 18:24
Old Man Andrews A better Sig....
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