by Hound » 08 Jul 2019 08:49
by NewCorkSeth » 08 Jul 2019 08:52
Hound There are people at the club's who job is it to determine whether a player will be good enough. With Stacey they failed, simple as really.
Not saying its an easy job because of course its far from.
by sandman » 08 Jul 2019 09:34
by NewCorkSeth » 08 Jul 2019 09:37
sandman The club didn't make a mistake, the club wanted to keep him. He didn't think the first team management at the time were beneficial to his development so he moved on.
by From Despair To Where? » 08 Jul 2019 09:42
URZZZZFrom Despair To Where?Snowflake Royal I'm not sure I'd say signing Aluko, losing a talented Academy player, nearly getting relegated twice and being buggered on FFP is working out well for us. Small factor this is in some that.
It's certainly not worked out badly for Stacey.
Yeah, but at the start of that season, we'd just got in the playoffs, were investing heavily in the squad and he would have been looking at being 3rd or 4th choice RW or 2nd or 3rd choice RB. Much like the Antonio situation, you can't say he might have done this or he might have done that or the club fcuked up at the time on the basis of 2 years of hindsight.
His move was driven by a desire for regular first team football and there was absolutely no way we could have guaranteed that.
The worst part is that I think he would have been given regular football had he stayed...hindsight and all that
Obita was injured and Blackett was struggling so Gunter had to shift LB. As we had no backup RB, we had to play Bacuna there who was awful there and I think Stacey would have fitted in perfectly there
Or on the wing, Barrow had the left wing cemented. On the right Aluko was contributing very little, McCleary was injured half the time and when he wasn't he was contributing very little, Beerens didn't fancy it any more and Popa was a waster
That doesn't mean however he'd had turned out how he is now had he have stayed. He may not have been ready for regular Championship football at that time and if that was Stam's conclusion at the time, there was probably logic to it
NewCorkSethsandman The club didn't make a mistake, the club wanted to keep him. He didn't think the first team management at the time were beneficial to his development so he moved on.
I thought he had 2 years left on his contract but refused a new one? Surely if that were the case then we could have kept him despite his protests.
by morganb » 08 Jul 2019 09:47
by NewCorkSeth » 08 Jul 2019 09:51
From Despair To Where?URZZZZFrom Despair To Where?
Yeah, but at the start of that season, we'd just got in the playoffs, were investing heavily in the squad and he would have been looking at being 3rd or 4th choice RW or 2nd or 3rd choice RB. Much like the Antonio situation, you can't say he might have done this or he might have done that or the club fcuked up at the time on the basis of 2 years of hindsight.
His move was driven by a desire for regular first team football and there was absolutely no way we could have guaranteed that.
The worst part is that I think he would have been given regular football had he stayed...hindsight and all that
Obita was injured and Blackett was struggling so Gunter had to shift LB. As we had no backup RB, we had to play Bacuna there who was awful there and I think Stacey would have fitted in perfectly there
Or on the wing, Barrow had the left wing cemented. On the right Aluko was contributing very little, McCleary was injured half the time and when he wasn't he was contributing very little, Beerens didn't fancy it any more and Popa was a waster
That doesn't mean however he'd had turned out how he is now had he have stayed. He may not have been ready for regular Championship football at that time and if that was Stam's conclusion at the time, there was probably logic to it
Exactly but at the time he left, both Obita and Gunter were fit and Watson and Richards were getting bigged up as full back cover. Add Blackett to the mix and there is no guarantee of first team football. Likewise, we had depth in the wings and we're in the process of signing Aluko and Bucuna. There were plenty of players ahead of him in the pecking order.NewCorkSethsandman The club didn't make a mistake, the club wanted to keep him. He didn't think the first team management at the time were beneficial to his development so he moved on.
I thought he had 2 years left on his contract but refused a new one? Surely if that were the case then we could have kept him despite his protests.
No point keeping a player who isn't happy. The smart move at the time was to let him move but slap on a sell on clause.
by From Despair To Where? » 08 Jul 2019 09:55
by Snowflake Royal » 08 Jul 2019 12:56
NewCorkSethsandman The club didn't make a mistake, the club wanted to keep him. He didn't think the first team management at the time were beneficial to his development so he moved on.
I thought he had 2 years left on his contract but refused a new one? Surely if that were the case then we could have kept him despite his protests.
by Simon's Church » 08 Jul 2019 12:58
by NewCorkSeth » 08 Jul 2019 13:08
Snowflake RoyalNewCorkSethsandman The club didn't make a mistake, the club wanted to keep him. He didn't think the first team management at the time were beneficial to his development so he moved on.
I thought he had 2 years left on his contract but refused a new one? Surely if that were the case then we could have kept him despite his protests.
I think the issue is that he was clearly not part of first team plans and given the impression he wouldn't be involved.
My point, and I think URZZZ is we should have been looking to involve him and we could have.
Instead we lost a highly rated player, who has gone on to prove himself more than capable at L1, and instead of using him we made our worst ever signing, and played a central midfielder at RB.
I doubt very much he was demanding regular first team starts.
Comparisons to Antonio don't work. With him we were promoted and had multiple genuine options better than he was at that time. Doesn't apply to Stacey.
Always rated Stacey higher than Fosu.
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