Bowen out rumour

Is a new manger the right decision?

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Re: Bowen out rumour

by Snowflake Royal » 04 Sep 2020 11:09

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In terms of the point under discussion there is.

The point under discussion is the effect on performance the frequent sacking of managers has.

The first to last perm management team appointed under Madejski's ownership which saw the most successful period in our history compared to the appointments since where we're gone into heavy decline is very relevant.

It's also relevant to point out that our average over that second period, and particularly our last three managers, have all fallen short of the average tenure Woodley describes and so we're part of what makes that tenure so short. The way averages work, that means there absolutely are multiple clubs that we are worse than in the Championship for managerial stability.

There's an argument that sometimes managers don't work out and you just have to pull the trigger early - Bullivant and Rodgers.

That realistically applies to Gomes, and though I was against it Clement. Stam got time and fell apart rather than starting poorly and not getting a chance. But it's clear as day there was no NEED to sack Bowen. And that what we've needed for a long time is stability


None of that is relevant.
The comments were about a specific study of management tenure comparing 2 random dates
You then said we were a basket case because for a totally different set of dates our managers had shorter tenure.
Whether changing managers is good or bad is a valid discussion but far from certain either way.
Whether you telling other people what they are to discuss or twisting stuff to suit your views is valid is also open to debate.

You're the one trying to tell me I'm not allowed to discuss something pal.

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Re: Bowen out rumour

by Nameless » 04 Sep 2020 13:48

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Snowflake Royal The point under discussion is the effect on performance the frequent sacking of managers has.

The first to last perm management team appointed under Madejski's ownership which saw the most successful period in our history compared to the appointments since where we're gone into heavy decline is very relevant.

It's also relevant to point out that our average over that second period, and particularly our last three managers, have all fallen short of the average tenure Woodley describes and so we're part of what makes that tenure so short. The way averages work, that means there absolutely are multiple clubs that we are worse than in the Championship for managerial stability.

There's an argument that sometimes managers don't work out and you just have to pull the trigger early - Bullivant and Rodgers.

That realistically applies to Gomes, and though I was against it Clement. Stam got time and fell apart rather than starting poorly and not getting a chance. But it's clear as day there was no NEED to sack Bowen. And that what we've needed for a long time is stability


None of that is relevant.
The comments were about a specific study of management tenure comparing 2 random dates
You then said we were a basket case because for a totally different set of dates our managers had shorter tenure.
Whether changing managers is good or bad is a valid discussion but far from certain either way.
Whether you telling other people what they are to discuss or twisting stuff to suit your views is valid is also open to debate.

You're the one trying to tell me I'm not allowed to discuss something pal.


You’ll whine on whatever anyone says though...
Doesn’t change the fact that you constantly want everything to suit your agenda and telling people they are wrong because you miss the point being mentioned just makes you look daft.

You also clearly have not looked at the article....

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Re: Bowen out rumour

by Old Man Andrews » 04 Sep 2020 14:36

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None of that is relevant.
The comments were about a specific study of management tenure comparing 2 random dates
You then said we were a basket case because for a totally different set of dates our managers had shorter tenure.
Whether changing managers is good or bad is a valid discussion but far from certain either way.
Whether you telling other people what they are to discuss or twisting stuff to suit your views is valid is also open to debate.

You're the one trying to tell me I'm not allowed to discuss something pal.


You’ll whine on whatever anyone says though...
Doesn’t change the fact that you constantly want everything to suit your agenda and telling people they are wrong because you miss the point being mentioned just makes you look daft.

You also clearly have not looked at the article....

Why would he look? He is done with the club apparently, no longer supports Reading according to him. Not sure why he is even on the team board.

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Re: Bowen out rumour

by The Royal Forester » 04 Sep 2020 15:26

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Snowflake Royal You're the one trying to tell me I'm not allowed to discuss something pal.


You’ll whine on whatever anyone says though...
Doesn’t change the fact that you constantly want everything to suit your agenda and telling people they are wrong because you miss the point being mentioned just makes you look daft.

You also clearly have not looked at the article....

Why would he look? He is done with the club apparently, no longer supports Reading according to him. Not sure why he is even on the team board.

Give a rest mate! I first said I've had enough of this club about fifty years ago (and several times since) but I am still here. have you not ever said something and changed your mind later? I suspect a trawl through the different threads on this board will prove you have. Your constant sniping has now got boring. Before you tell me to ???? off as this discussion has nothing to do with me, let me remind you that you have said that this is an open forum and anyone is able to join in. By the way, you have also said the former in your posts, so that proves you have changed your mind, and simply say things to annoy other posters.

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Re: Bowen out rumour

by Old Man Andrews » 04 Sep 2020 16:23

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You’ll whine on whatever anyone says though...
Doesn’t change the fact that you constantly want everything to suit your agenda and telling people they are wrong because you miss the point being mentioned just makes you look daft.

You also clearly have not looked at the article....

Why would he look? He is done with the club apparently, no longer supports Reading according to him. Not sure why he is even on the team board.

Give a rest mate! I first said I've had enough of this club about fifty years ago (and several times since) but I am still here. have you not ever said something and changed your mind later? I suspect a trawl through the different threads on this board will prove you have. Your constant sniping has now got boring. Before you tell me to ???? off as this discussion has nothing to do with me, let me remind you that you have said that this is an open forum and anyone is able to join in. By the way, you have also said the former in your posts, so that proves you have changed your mind, and simply say things to annoy other posters.

I have no idea who you are.


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Re: Bowen out rumour

by The Royal Forester » 04 Sep 2020 16:36

So what? Do you know all the posters personally on this board? I have not posted nearly 20,000 times on this board, unlike you, most of which carry disparaging remarks to other posters. Please, reign it in a bit, and why not make a complementary remark sometimes, you never know it may make you feel a bit happier.

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Re: Bowen out rumour

by Old Man Andrews » 04 Sep 2020 16:47

I know Ian intimately.

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Re: Bowen out rumour

by Snowflake Royal » 04 Sep 2020 17:48

Old Man Andrews I know Ian intimately.

You wish.

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