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Re: Brentford game postponed

by Zip » 12 Jan 2021 17:44

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If the leagues were suspended then the Euros might need to be moved again - perhaps filling the summer gap in 2022 left by the idiocy of awarding Qatar the World Cup finals.

If it did get really bad perhaps the entire domestic season should simply be cancelled before too many teams become adrift in the various relegation places.


Good observation regarding shifting the Euros to next summer with the World Cup Finals not taking place until very late in the Autumn.

That summer is already shorter than normal to make room for the World Cup. Players already had to play through last summer. If we make them play through this summer (to finish the season) and next summer (for the Euros) then there will be further issues with injuries and fatigue with players not having had a planned break for over three years in the build-up to the World Cup.


The only other option is to cancel the Euros which is pretty drastic.

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Re: Brentford game postponed

by Barney » 12 Jan 2021 17:50

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Good observation regarding shifting the Euros to next summer with the World Cup Finals not taking place until very late in the Autumn.

That summer is already shorter than normal to make room for the World Cup. Players already had to play through last summer. If we make them play through this summer (to finish the season) and next summer (for the Euros) then there will be further issues with injuries and fatigue with players not having had a planned break for over three years in the build-up to the World Cup.


The only other option is to cancel the Euros which is pretty drastic.


Clearly hindsight is a wonderful thing...but holding the EUROS over 12 countries doesn't feel right what with the global pandemic. I assume
it is too late to ask one country to host it ?

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Re: Brentford game postponed

by Zip » 12 Jan 2021 17:52

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SCIAG That summer is already shorter than normal to make room for the World Cup. Players already had to play through last summer. If we make them play through this summer (to finish the season) and next summer (for the Euros) then there will be further issues with injuries and fatigue with players not having had a planned break for over three years in the build-up to the World Cup.


The only other option is to cancel the Euros which is pretty drastic.


Clearly hindsight is a wonderful thing...but holding the EUROS over 12 countries doesn't feel right what with the global pandemic. I assume
it is too late to ask one country to host it ?


Absolutely not too late imo. England would be a good option provided our infection rate is under control in the Spring. Common sense for one country to host this now but the decision needs to be made very soon.

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Re: Brentford game postponed

by Hound » 12 Jan 2021 18:39

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Jagermesiter1871 :lol: So much for a oxf*rd bubble. Cancel the oxf*rd season now. It's a disgrace that footballers are being given such concessions and exemptions from the Covid rules but clearly aren't capable of upholding their side of the bargain. At the same time you have small businesses going bust because they get no such exemptions. It's disgusting.


hmm, its a couple of players. I expect on the whole they are probably far more compliant than most 20-30 year olds

Can see the argument for stopping it, but not because of some outrage brought about by a few idiot players misbehaving

And it is a huge business. Even without crowds its a lot of people's employment. its also a hell of a lot of people's entertainment and thing to look forward to atm, at a particularly depressing and miserable time. Take away that and you've got a lot more very bored people.


I would hope they would be more compliant. They're being afford massive concessions which allow them to continue to earn their multi millions, exemptions that none of their peers are being afforded. They're setting an awful example and are a massive risk for causing outbreaks. Not sure keeping it going because people are a bit bored washes.


They really aren’t a massive risk for causing outbreaks. They’re either in each other or their families contact and that’s pretty much it. And the risk of actually contracting it whilst playing footy is tiny

It does feel more like a vengeance for a few of them being young and wealthy more than actually solving anything. With more than a bit of jealousy thrown in. And it’s not just a few people being bored. It’s a huge industry and actually pretty impt in keeping kids and some adults interested in sports

I could understand what would be a fairly symbolic shutting of it for a few weeks as a reminder to everyone of the situation we’re in - but not doing it because Jack Grealish has been acting like a tw@t again

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Re: Brentford game postponed

by SCIAG » 12 Jan 2021 18:41

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Good observation regarding shifting the Euros to next summer with the World Cup Finals not taking place until very late in the Autumn.

That summer is already shorter than normal to make room for the World Cup. Players already had to play through last summer. If we make them play through this summer (to finish the season) and next summer (for the Euros) then there will be further issues with injuries and fatigue with players not having had a planned break for over three years in the build-up to the World Cup.


The only other option is to cancel the Euros which is pretty drastic.

Would make more sense to cancel the domestic season.

Edit: although to be clear my preference would be for teams to forfeit fixtures that they can’t complete.


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Re: Brentford game postponed

by Jagermesiter1871 » 12 Jan 2021 18:49

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hmm, its a couple of players. I expect on the whole they are probably far more compliant than most 20-30 year olds

Can see the argument for stopping it, but not because of some outrage brought about by a few idiot players misbehaving

And it is a huge business. Even without crowds its a lot of people's employment. its also a hell of a lot of people's entertainment and thing to look forward to atm, at a particularly depressing and miserable time. Take away that and you've got a lot more very bored people.


I would hope they would be more compliant. They're being afford massive concessions which allow them to continue to earn their multi millions, exemptions that none of their peers are being afforded. They're setting an awful example and are a massive risk for causing outbreaks. Not sure keeping it going because people are a bit bored washes.


They really aren’t a massive risk for causing outbreaks. They’re either in each other or their families contact and that’s pretty much it. And the risk of actually contracting it whilst playing footy is tiny

It does feel more like a vengeance for a few of them being young and wealthy more than actually solving anything. With more than a bit of jealousy thrown in. And it’s not just a few people being bored. It’s a huge industry and actually pretty impt in keeping kids and some adults interested in sports

I could understand what would be a fairly symbolic shutting of it for a few weeks as a reminder to everyone of the situation we’re in - but not doing it because Jack Grealish has been acting like a tw@t again


So you have dressing rooms which will have what 20+ people in very close proximity x2 per match day, travelling the length of the country twice a week, coming into close contact with local security/facilities teams at each stadium. Then you have cross contamination between the two teams playing, and then the families of the 2 teams and their contacts etc. This was especially ridiculous a few weeks back when we were having regional lock-downs, but even now when we're trying to stop the spread of a mutated virus. Plus European ties, with planes and airports crews. Coach drivers. It's bonkers. And just because it's the sport we all enjoy spectating its still morally wrong to facilitate when it appears every club is having out breaks and these supposed bubbles are a figment of imagination with no recourse for breach. All the while you have a family run shop/pub/business shutting down because they're not allowed to open irrespective of putting every covid measure in place and adhering to it. It is disgusting.

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Re: Brentford game postponed

by Jagermesiter1871 » 12 Jan 2021 18:52

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SCIAG That summer is already shorter than normal to make room for the World Cup. Players already had to play through last summer. If we make them play through this summer (to finish the season) and next summer (for the Euros) then there will be further issues with injuries and fatigue with players not having had a planned break for over three years in the build-up to the World Cup.


The only other option is to cancel the Euros which is pretty drastic.

Would make more sense to cancel the domestic season.

Edit: although to be clear my preference would be for teams to forfeit fixtures that they can’t complete.


I would agree but would be very harsh on teams that have to forfeit after contracting it after playing a team that has had a breach.

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Re: Brentford game postponed

by Hound » 12 Jan 2021 19:26

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I would hope they would be more compliant. They're being afford massive concessions which allow them to continue to earn their multi millions, exemptions that none of their peers are being afforded. They're setting an awful example and are a massive risk for causing outbreaks. Not sure keeping it going because people are a bit bored washes.


They really aren’t a massive risk for causing outbreaks. They’re either in each other or their families contact and that’s pretty much it. And the risk of actually contracting it whilst playing footy is tiny

It does feel more like a vengeance for a few of them being young and wealthy more than actually solving anything. With more than a bit of jealousy thrown in. And it’s not just a few people being bored. It’s a huge industry and actually pretty impt in keeping kids and some adults interested in sports

I could understand what would be a fairly symbolic shutting of it for a few weeks as a reminder to everyone of the situation we’re in - but not doing it because Jack Grealish has been acting like a tw@t again


So you have dressing rooms which will have what 20+ people in very close proximity x2 per match day, travelling the length of the country twice a week, coming into close contact with local security/facilities teams at each stadium. Then you have cross contamination between the two teams playing, and then the families of the 2 teams and their contacts etc. This was especially ridiculous a few weeks back when we were having regional lock-downs, but even now when we're trying to stop the spread of a mutated virus. Plus European ties, with planes and airports crews. Coach drivers. It's bonkers. And just because it's the sport we all enjoy spectating its still morally wrong to facilitate when it appears every club is having out breaks and these supposed bubbles are a figment of imagination with no recourse for breach. All the while you have a family run shop/pub/business shutting down because they're not allowed to open irrespective of putting every covid measure in place and adhering to it. It is disgusting.


They are in the bubbles of that 20-30 players though, same coach driver kit man etc. They aren’t going to go anywhere near the local facility teams

Tested twice a week in the prem and i believe in the EFL as well now

Risk of contaminating the opposition players is tiny. Certainly a lot lower than shop workers, teachers or take away restaurant staff working together

There’s definitely things they can do a lot better. Why they’ve been able to get away with the group hugs and celebrations is beyond me - but that’s up to the authorities as much as the players if not a lot more

Anyway we’re obviously going to only disagree on it so probably best left at that

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Re: Brentford game postponed

by windermereROYAL » 12 Jan 2021 19:42

TiagoIlori Feels a ticking time bomb until football is forced to temporarily stop. Hospitals in grave danger of being overwhelmed and our daily diagnosed cases statistic is very high at the moment.


So a temporary stop will fix the problem and the virus will just disappear will it? a break in the season will achieve nothing, these guys are paid alot of money, just put into place stricter guidelines and fines for anyone found to a broken any of them. it won`t stop all infections but i feel it would reduce them.


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Re: Brentford game postponed

by Ascotexgunner » 12 Jan 2021 21:13

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SCIAG That summer is already shorter than normal to make room for the World Cup. Players already had to play through last summer. If we make them play through this summer (to finish the season) and next summer (for the Euros) then there will be further issues with injuries and fatigue with players not having had a planned break for over three years in the build-up to the World Cup.


The only other option is to cancel the Euros which is pretty drastic.


Clearly hindsight is a wonderful thing...but holding the EUROS over 12 countries doesn't feel right what with the global pandemic. I assume
it is too late to ask one country to host it ?


Nah. Would be like the Champions League. Portugal wasn't it who hosted the last 16/8 or whatever is was.
We could do it easily.
They could even just do a straight knockout. That would be exciting.

The World Cup is another matter. If football or the FA had any decency they would boycott it. I can't think of many sports where a bent organisation who took bribes would have an event go ahead in a country that bribed those officials, and a country at that who has appalling records on human rights and abuses.
Anyway it would be great if they aborted it til summer 2023 and gave it to another country. It would at least ease some of the congestion.

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Re: Brentford game postponed

by Jagermesiter1871 » 12 Jan 2021 22:12

Our run of games now look a lot more winnable especially with injured players back and good couple of weeks rest.

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Re: Brentford game postponed

by TiagoIlori » 12 Jan 2021 23:17

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TiagoIlori Feels a ticking time bomb until football is forced to temporarily stop. Hospitals in grave danger of being overwhelmed and our daily diagnosed cases statistic is very high at the moment.


So a temporary stop will fix the problem and the virus will just disappear will it? a break in the season will achieve nothing, these guys are paid alot of money, just put into place stricter guidelines and fines for anyone found to a broken any of them. it won`t stop all infections but i feel it would reduce them.

How much these players are paid has absolutely no relevance. Some of them will have vulnerable people at home and it should be taken into account to determine how much risk to take. Not to mention coaching staff and other people that work on site- Roy Hodgson and Sam Allardyce aren’t exactly the youngest.

But anyway that isn’t the point. More and more leagues are getting suspended, games are getting cancelled. Government isn’t very happy with certain people in football not behaving. You start to wonder when someone high up says enoughs enough this isn’t a good idea to continue. Lower league clubs can’t afford to keep regularly testing everyone on its own.

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Re: Brentford game postponed

by JR » 12 Jan 2021 23:41

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SCIAG That summer is already shorter than normal to make room for the World Cup. Players already had to play through last summer. If we make them play through this summer (to finish the season) and next summer (for the Euros) then there will be further issues with injuries and fatigue with players not having had a planned break for over three years in the build-up to the World Cup.


The only other option is to cancel the Euros which is pretty drastic.


Clearly hindsight is a wonderful thing...but holding the EUROS over 12 countries doesn't feel right what with the global pandemic. I assume
it is too late to ask one country to host it ?


Not sure I would say it is hindsight - it’s always been a ridiculous idea, even pre-pandemic!


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Re: Brentford game postponed

by SCIAG » 13 Jan 2021 07:21

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The only other option is to cancel the Euros which is pretty drastic.


Clearly hindsight is a wonderful thing...but holding the EUROS over 12 countries doesn't feel right what with the global pandemic. I assume
it is too late to ask one country to host it ?


Not sure I would say it is hindsight - it’s always been a ridiculous idea, even pre-pandemic!

Is it ridiculous? Surely it makes more sense to use existing stadia rather than building a load of white elephants in one or two countries? For example, Poland-Ukraine 2012 saw the construction of a load of 40,000 capacity stadia which are now occupied by teams with an average attendance of less than 15,000. This seems hard to justify.

Hosting a tournament across Europe is surely no more ridiculous than hosting one across Brazil, Russia, or USA/Canada/Mexico. And if you stuck to just the Schengen area then that would cut out most of Europe’s extremities and issues surrounding visas and borders.

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Re: Brentford game postponed

by Snowflake Royal » 13 Jan 2021 07:36

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They really aren’t a massive risk for causing outbreaks. They’re either in each other or their families contact and that’s pretty much it. And the risk of actually contracting it whilst playing footy is tiny

It does feel more like a vengeance for a few of them being young and wealthy more than actually solving anything. With more than a bit of jealousy thrown in. And it’s not just a few people being bored. It’s a huge industry and actually pretty impt in keeping kids and some adults interested in sports

I could understand what would be a fairly symbolic shutting of it for a few weeks as a reminder to everyone of the situation we’re in - but not doing it because Jack Grealish has been acting like a tw@t again


So you have dressing rooms which will have what 20+ people in very close proximity x2 per match day, travelling the length of the country twice a week, coming into close contact with local security/facilities teams at each stadium. Then you have cross contamination between the two teams playing, and then the families of the 2 teams and their contacts etc. This was especially ridiculous a few weeks back when we were having regional lock-downs, but even now when we're trying to stop the spread of a mutated virus. Plus European ties, with planes and airports crews. Coach drivers. It's bonkers. And just because it's the sport we all enjoy spectating its still morally wrong to facilitate when it appears every club is having out breaks and these supposed bubbles are a figment of imagination with no recourse for breach. All the while you have a family run shop/pub/business shutting down because they're not allowed to open irrespective of putting every covid measure in place and adhering to it. It is disgusting.


They are in the bubbles of that 20-30 players though, same coach driver kit man etc. They aren’t going to go anywhere near the local facility teams

Tested twice a week in the prem and i believe in the EFL as well now

Risk of contaminating the opposition players is tiny. Certainly a lot lower than shop workers, teachers or take away restaurant staff working together

There’s definitely things they can do a lot better. Why they’ve been able to get away with the group hugs and celebrations is beyond me - but that’s up to the authorities as much as the players if not a lot more

Anyway we’re obviously going to only disagree on it so probably best left at that

What?

You think running around with each other, breathing heavily, sweating and in frequent close proximity for 90 minutes is less likely to infect someone than sitting two metres from someone for a few hours?

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Re: Brentford game postponed

by Hound » 13 Jan 2021 09:01

not sure if thats a whoosh or not but yes, quite clearly. There was some study before they restarted and it was something like only 1 min of the 90 mins were the players within 1 metre of each other. And its outside. And they are (now) constantly tested.

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Re: Brentford game postponed

by RoyalBlue » 13 Jan 2021 10:52

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More time for team to recover I guess. Moore will be back soon. The policy seems inconsistent. We've seen weakened teams fielded, 3 points awarded for no shows in L1 & L2, and postponements. If the shoe was on the other foot, we'd say this is a fair outcome. But I'd have wanted a crack at a weakened Brentford


Sadly I think we are moving at a moderate pace now to a suspension and possibly curtailment of the season. There's no additional time in the summer what with the Euros. Brentford are going to be three games behind some teams before they play again - which isn't insurmountable on it's own, but will become so where other teams end up in a similar spot.


I fear that you are right. Curtailment looking even more likely than us avoiding a relegation battle this season.

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Re: Brentford game postponed

by morganb » 13 Jan 2021 10:52

Our rearranged home fixture against Brentford will now be played on Wed 10th February, kick-off 7pm.

However, should Brentford FC remain in the FA Cup beyond the Fourth Round, our league meeting against the Bees will instead be rescheduled for Wed 10th March, kick-off 7pm.

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Re: Brentford game postponed

by Pepe the Horseman » 13 Jan 2021 10:54

morganb Our rearranged home fixture against Brentford will now be played on Wed 10th February, kick-off 7pm.

However, should Brentford FC remain in the FA Cup beyond the Fourth Round, our league meeting against the Bees will instead be rescheduled for Wed 10th March, kick-off 7pm.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ReadingFC/st ... 1602188288

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Re: Brentford game postponed

by Sanguine » 13 Jan 2021 11:12

morganb Our rearranged home fixture against Brentford will now be played on Wed 10th February, kick-off 7pm.

However, should Brentford FC remain in the FA Cup beyond the Fourth Round, our league meeting against the Bees will instead be rescheduled for Wed 10th March, kick-off 7pm.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ReadingFC/st ... 1602188288


I mean, that emphasises my point really. Fixture congestion means that the game already has to wait four weeks, and if Brentford are still in the cup, won't be played for another two months.

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