Is the Championship becoming more predictable?

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Re: Is the Championship becoming more predictable?

by Snowflake Royal » 28 Apr 2021 13:03

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windermereROYAL The atrocious parachute payments give the relegated clubs a huge advantage allowing them to keep hold of their most prized assets, also covid is stopping some of the PL clubs picking them up due to ongoing financial difficulties.


Parachute payments are vital to the financial security of relegated clubs. At the very least when promoted, a club needs to pay Premier League wages, most need to improve their squad, or increase its useful size with better backup players. Without parachute payments, clubs would be destroyed by relegation.


I would suggest if the PP didn`t exist the clubs could manage their own finances better like writing relegation clauses into players contracts.

Or they'd bet the farm and go bust in the real world.

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Re: Is the Championship becoming more predictable?

by Elm Park Kid » 28 Apr 2021 13:52

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Parachute payments are vital to the financial security of relegated clubs. At the very least when promoted, a club needs to pay Premier League wages, most need to improve their squad, or increase its useful size with better backup players. Without parachute payments, clubs would be destroyed by relegation.


I would suggest if the PP didn`t exist the clubs could manage their own finances better like writing relegation clauses into players contracts.

Or they'd bet the farm and go bust in the real world.


Yeah, if players were willing to accept those kind of relegation clauses then every club would include them. The reality is that they want security in their future income, and have enough bargaining power to get it.

The only way they could be included would be if the PL or some other body made them mandatory. And then there would need to be some kind of compensation scheme to protect players from significant downswings in income.

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Re: Is the Championship becoming more predictable?

by Ascotexgunner » 28 Apr 2021 13:57

I would be incredibly surprised if WBA and Fulham arnt the automatic promotions next season.
Money will be tight for everyone but those two.

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Re: Is the Championship becoming more predictable?

by Sutekh » 28 Apr 2021 14:04

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I would suggest if the PP didn`t exist the clubs could manage their own finances better like writing relegation clauses into players contracts.

Or they'd bet the farm and go bust in the real world.


Yeah, if players were willing to accept those kind of relegation clauses then every club would include them. The reality is that they want security in their future income, and have enough bargaining power to get it.

The only way they could be included would be if the PL or some other body made them mandatory. And then there would need to be some kind of compensation scheme to protect players from significant downswings in income.


Ludicrous really, losing 50% of, say, 40k+ a week shouldn’t be an issue to any player who is organised and prepared. One would think players are educated in common sense and financial management and how to “save” for their futures as they develop.

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Re: Is the Championship becoming more predictable?

by John Smith » 28 Apr 2021 14:14

Wouldn't say it is. I haven't won a bet all season


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Re: Is the Championship becoming more predictable?

by Franchise FC » 28 Apr 2021 17:43

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windermereROYAL The atrocious parachute payments give the relegated clubs a huge advantage allowing them to keep hold of their most prized assets, also covid is stopping some of the PL clubs picking them up due to ongoing financial difficulties.


Parachute payments are vital to the financial security of relegated clubs. At the very least when promoted, a club needs to pay Premier League wages, most need to improve their squad, or increase its useful size with better backup players. Without parachute payments, clubs would be destroyed by relegation.

Absolutely.
Or they would hardly get a point because they would have to cope with what they've got or cheap additions to avoid the cliff edge catastrophe

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Re: Is the Championship becoming more predictable?

by Jackson Corner » 28 Apr 2021 21:12

I think this season more than the other the sides that came down had a huge advantage. Mainly because Covid meant it was a very short turnaround, And the relegated clubs were able to hang on to their best players and they had bigger squads, which given The circumstances of the season with so many games crammed into such a short space of time meant they could cope with injuries more than other clubs.

And I have to agree with one of the other posters that it’s very hard to see the sides coming down this season dominating the championship next season. As for the sides coming up from division one although they are smaller clubs you only have to look at teams such as Sunderland Ipswich and Portsmouth money does not guarante promotion to show that’s no easy league despite financial advantage to get out of.

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Re: Is the Championship becoming more predictable?

by Lower West » 28 Apr 2021 23:47

Same story further down the leagues.

League Two 2019/20. Promoted Swindon, Northampton, Crewe and Plymouth. Currently relegated, 22nd, 14th and 18th.

League One 2019/20 Relegated Bolton, Southend, Tranmere (Bury were expelled). Currently 23rd , 3rd and 5th.

League One 2019/20 Promoted Coventry, Wycombe, Rotherham Currently 19th, 24th and 22nd

Championship 2019/20 Relegated Charlton, Wigan, Hull Currently 8th, 20th, 1st


Clubs that overspend and fail freefall down

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Re: Is the Championship becoming more predictable?

by Who Moved The Goalposts? » 29 Apr 2021 07:45

Lower West Clubs that overspend and fail freefall down


Not looking good for us then.


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Re: Is the Championship becoming more predictable?

by Snowflake Royal » 29 Apr 2021 09:55

Who Moved The Goalposts?
Lower West Clubs that overspend and fail freefall down


Not looking good for us then.

We're slowly turning it around. We got very lucky that our worst seasons coincided with some absolute dross in the Champ or we'd be struggling in L1 right now.

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Re: Is the Championship becoming more predictable?

by muirinho » 29 Apr 2021 11:27

One very simple change that would help is - when a relegated team gets promoted within the parachute payment period, the unused parachute payments get distributed equally to all clubs in the Championship - not taken back again by the Premier League.

Every time a newly relegated team bounces back, that parachute money goes back to the PL, widening the gap.

Edit: Just seen similar comments in the Contracts thread.

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Re: Is the Championship becoming more predictable?

by Snowball » 29 Apr 2021 11:58

Lower West Same story further down the leagues.



League One 2019/20 Promoted Coventry, Wycombe, Rotherham Currently 19th, 24th and 22nd



Clubs that overspend and fail freefall down



and if Wednesday hadn't been docked 6 points that would be 20th, 23rd, 24th

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Re: Is the Championship becoming more predictable?

by Notts Royal » 29 Apr 2021 16:10

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Parachute payments are vital to the financial security of relegated clubs. At the very least when promoted, a club needs to pay Premier League wages, most need to improve their squad, or increase its useful size with better backup players. Without parachute payments, clubs would be destroyed by relegation.


I would suggest if the PP didn`t exist the clubs could manage their own finances better like writing relegation clauses into players contracts.



EXACTLY

Parachute Payments are the problem.

Also if they slowly reduced the gap between Prem and Champ, that might help. A Prem1 and Prem 2 might be the answer. The gap is MASSIVE these days and stands to just get wider.


The gap is due to Sky & BT Sport. TV money is the root problem in my opinion.

Reducing the gap between the divisions is the correct approach as Championship owners like Dai would’ve less inclined to gamble with the clubs future financially.

Of course clubs further up the pyramid will always be able to afford higher wages but the gap needs to reduce drastically


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Re: Is the Championship becoming more predictable?

by Stranded » 29 Apr 2021 16:26

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I would suggest if the PP didn`t exist the clubs could manage their own finances better like writing relegation clauses into players contracts.



EXACTLY

Parachute Payments are the problem.

Also if they slowly reduced the gap between Prem and Champ, that might help. A Prem1 and Prem 2 might be the answer. The gap is MASSIVE these days and stands to just get wider.


The gap is due to Sky & BT Sport. TV money is the root problem in my opinion.

Reducing the gap between the divisions is the correct approach as Championship owners like Dai would’ve less inclined to gamble with the clubs future financially.

Of course clubs further up the pyramid will always be able to afford higher wages but the gap needs to reduce drastically


The PL is well aware that they are currently living on a TV money house of cards. So much so, that for the next TV rights period 2022-25, they have suggested that the current deals are just rolled over with no auction. Their reasoning is that it gives clubs security knowing how much money will come in for the next 4 or so seasons.

In reality, they know that the value of rights is likely to have dropped as a result of the pandemic and they don't really have a strong negotiating position this time round - for example Serie A has seen a 20% drop in TV Money - so opening up the rights to auction will likely see them left with less cash from the end of next season.

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Re: Is the Championship becoming more predictable?

by Snowflake Royal » 29 Apr 2021 17:42

This is the problem with the PL breakaway. They can claim a humongous slice of the overall pie oxf*rd football as a whole.

It should be one unified league structure, with the rights negotiated as a whole and split appropriately amongst the divisions.

Not the PL gets 95% of the cash, Champ 4.5% and Ls1&2 0.5%

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Re: Is the Championship becoming more predictable?

by 3points » 29 Apr 2021 17:51

windermereROYAL The atrocious parachute payments give the relegated clubs a huge advantage allowing them to keep hold of their most prized assets, also covid is stopping some of the PL clubs picking them up due to ongoing financial difficulties.

P&S (FFP) could also now becoming a factor in terms of teams not being able to financially challenge the relegated teams. Reading lost £45m last season and Dai Yongge has pumped in around £200m over 4-5 years he's been the owner; Sheff Weds, Derby, Forest have all had owners in recent years trying to buy success but this can only happen for 1 or 2 seasons before budgets have to be cut to comply with P&S regulations (open whole new debate/can of worms). If you don't make it in those 1-2 seasons then you're knackered for the next 3-4 years while squads are rebuilt.

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Re: Is the Championship becoming more predictable?

by linkenholtroyal » 29 Apr 2021 18:07

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windermereROYAL The atrocious parachute payments give the relegated clubs a huge advantage allowing them to keep hold of their most prized assets, also covid is stopping some of the PL clubs picking them up due to ongoing financial difficulties.

P&S (FFP) could also now becoming a factor in terms of teams not being able to financially challenge the relegated teams. Reading lost £45m last season and Dai Yongge has pumped in around £200m over 4-5 years he's been the owner; Sheff Weds, Derby, Forest have all had owners in recent years trying to buy success but this can only happen for 1 or 2 seasons before budgets have to be cut to comply with P&S regulations (open whole new debate/can of worms). If you don't make it in those 1-2 seasons then you're knackered for the next 3-4 years while squads are rebuilt.

The only difference between us and Forest, Weds etc is that they try to buy there way to success where as we rely heavily on our academy. Other than Puscas and Joao most of our signings have been free or academy products, we are heading in the right direction but the Thais over stretched with stupid overpaid signings we have been suffering with for years to come only Meite, Moore and Swift have been a success from that era. Without our academy we would be in league 1. Imagine a squad at the moment without Holmes, McIntyre, Richards, Olise, Rinhomota. And to a lesser extent Southwood as reserve keeper. Without them we would be in a much worse financial state having to buy players to fit those spots.

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Re: Is the Championship becoming more predictable?

by 3points » 29 Apr 2021 18:10

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windermereROYAL The atrocious parachute payments give the relegated clubs a huge advantage allowing them to keep hold of their most prized assets, also covid is stopping some of the PL clubs picking them up due to ongoing financial difficulties.

P&S (FFP) could also now becoming a factor in terms of teams not being able to financially challenge the relegated teams. Reading lost £45m last season and Dai Yongge has pumped in around £200m over 4-5 years he's been the owner; Sheff Weds, Derby, Forest have all had owners in recent years trying to buy success but this can only happen for 1 or 2 seasons before budgets have to be cut to comply with P&S regulations (open whole new debate/can of worms). If you don't make it in those 1-2 seasons then you're knackered for the next 3-4 years while squads are rebuilt.

The only difference between us and Forest, Weds etc is that they try to buy there way to success where as we rely heavily on our academy. Other than Puscas and Joao most of our signings have been free or academy products, we are heading in the right direction but the Thais over stretched with stupid overpaid signings we have been suffering with for years to come only Meite, Moore and Swift have been a success from that era. Without our academy we would be in league 1. Imagine a squad at the moment without Holmes, McIntyre, Richards, Olise, Rinhomota. And to a lesser extent Southwood as reserve keeper. Without them we would be in a much worse financial state having to buy players to fit those spots.

free transfers though usually mean signing on fees and higher wages, so it's a bit swings and roundabouts and is a key factor why our wages ratio is so high

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Re: Is the Championship becoming more predictable?

by Vision » 30 Apr 2021 11:28

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windermereROYAL The atrocious parachute payments give the relegated clubs a huge advantage allowing them to keep hold of their most prized assets, also covid is stopping some of the PL clubs picking them up due to ongoing financial difficulties.

P&S (FFP) could also now becoming a factor in terms of teams not being able to financially challenge the relegated teams. Reading lost £45m last season and Dai Yongge has pumped in around £200m over 4-5 years he's been the owner; Sheff Weds, Derby, Forest have all had owners in recent years trying to buy success but this can only happen for 1 or 2 seasons before budgets have to be cut to comply with P&S regulations (open whole new debate/can of worms). If you don't make it in those 1-2 seasons then you're knackered for the next 3-4 years while squads are rebuilt.

The only difference between us and Forest, Weds etc is that they try to buy there way to success where as we rely heavily on our academy. Other than Puscas and Joao most of our signings have been free or academy products, we are heading in the right direction but the Thais over stretched with stupid overpaid signings we have been suffering with for years to come only Meite, Moore and Swift have been a success from that era. Without our academy we would be in league 1. Imagine a squad at the moment without Holmes, McIntyre, Richards, Olise, Rinhomota. And to a lesser extent Southwood as reserve keeper. Without them we would be in a much worse financial state having to buy players to fit those spots.


The big spending has nothing to do with the Thais really.

The big spending in wages and transfer fees has all been done by the Yongges. The current financial situation is all on them or more accurately, him.

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Re: Is the Championship becoming more predictable?

by tidus_mi2 » 30 Apr 2021 12:24

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3points P&S (FFP) could also now becoming a factor in terms of teams not being able to financially challenge the relegated teams. Reading lost £45m last season and Dai Yongge has pumped in around £200m over 4-5 years he's been the owner; Sheff Weds, Derby, Forest have all had owners in recent years trying to buy success but this can only happen for 1 or 2 seasons before budgets have to be cut to comply with P&S regulations (open whole new debate/can of worms). If you don't make it in those 1-2 seasons then you're knackered for the next 3-4 years while squads are rebuilt.

The only difference between us and Forest, Weds etc is that they try to buy there way to success where as we rely heavily on our academy. Other than Puscas and Joao most of our signings have been free or academy products, we are heading in the right direction but the Thais over stretched with stupid overpaid signings we have been suffering with for years to come only Meite, Moore and Swift have been a success from that era. Without our academy we would be in league 1. Imagine a squad at the moment without Holmes, McIntyre, Richards, Olise, Rinhomota. And to a lesser extent Southwood as reserve keeper. Without them we would be in a much worse financial state having to buy players to fit those spots.


The big spending has nothing to do with the Thais really.

The big spending in wages and transfer fees has all been done by the Yongges. The current financial situation is all on them or more accurately, him.

What would you put that down to though, were they too trusting of Gourlay, especially with his background at Chelsea?

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