by WestYorksRoyal » 28 Apr 2021 10:19
by Snowflake Royal » 28 Apr 2021 10:35
by morganb » 28 Apr 2021 10:52
by From Despair To Where? » 28 Apr 2021 10:53
by Hendo » 28 Apr 2021 10:54
From Despair To Where? Last time this came up I did some comparisons between the last 10 seasons and preceding 10 seasons but didn't post it because it was all very convoluted and was just a number bomb.
I think my general conclusions were that relegated clubs are now less likely to finish bottom half than they were 10 years ago, and I think parachute payments are probably a big factor in this. There wasn't enough variance to suggest they were more likely to go straight back up as the difference could be accounted for by 1 anomalous season in either group.
More marked though was the that promoted clubs are struggling to make as big an impact as 10 years ago. The clubs who come back up and are able to do well are generally clubs like Sheffield Utd, Southampton, Leeds and Nottingham Forest who have spent the bulk of the last 25 years at this level or higher.
Expect Hull to do reasonably well next season and Peterborough to struggle.
by From Despair To Where? » 28 Apr 2021 10:57
by windermereROYAL » 28 Apr 2021 11:38
by Stranded » 28 Apr 2021 11:43
From Despair To Where? Yeah, but just seeing a list of numbers does tend to make people switch off even if you have a valid point. People are generally just interested in the conclusions, not the methodology and I can't be arsed to go through it again but I do stand by my conclusion. All the numbers do is prove you did the work.
I think also that in the 20 minutes it took me to work it all out, the discussion had moved on and it all seemed a bit irrelevant.
I just took the finishing positions for the Relegated and promoted clubs from 2010/11 to 2019/20 and compared them to 2000/01 to 2009/10. grouping them into Auto, playoffs, 7-12, 13-17, 18-21 and Relegated.
I think also that its difficult to draw too many conclusions from this season in isolation as the unique circumstances have favoured clubs with money and resources.
by Sanguine » 28 Apr 2021 11:45
windermereROYAL The atrocious parachute payments give the relegated clubs a huge advantage allowing them to keep hold of their most prized assets, also covid is stopping some of the PL clubs picking them up due to ongoing financial difficulties.
by windermereROYAL » 28 Apr 2021 11:50
SanguinewindermereROYAL The atrocious parachute payments give the relegated clubs a huge advantage allowing them to keep hold of their most prized assets, also covid is stopping some of the PL clubs picking them up due to ongoing financial difficulties.
Parachute payments are vital to the financial security of relegated clubs. At the very least when promoted, a club needs to pay Premier League wages, most need to improve their squad, or increase its useful size with better backup players. Without parachute payments, clubs would be destroyed by relegation.
by From Despair To Where? » 28 Apr 2021 11:53
by Sanguine » 28 Apr 2021 11:56
windermereROYALSanguinewindermereROYAL The atrocious parachute payments give the relegated clubs a huge advantage allowing them to keep hold of their most prized assets, also covid is stopping some of the PL clubs picking them up due to ongoing financial difficulties.
Parachute payments are vital to the financial security of relegated clubs. At the very least when promoted, a club needs to pay Premier League wages, most need to improve their squad, or increase its useful size with better backup players. Without parachute payments, clubs would be destroyed by relegation.
I would suggest if the PP didn`t exist the clubs could manage their own finances better like writing relegation clauses into players contracts.
by Snowball » 28 Apr 2021 11:57
windermereROYALSanguinewindermereROYAL The atrocious parachute payments give the relegated clubs a huge advantage allowing them to keep hold of their most prized assets, also covid is stopping some of the PL clubs picking them up due to ongoing financial difficulties.
Parachute payments are vital to the financial security of relegated clubs. At the very least when promoted, a club needs to pay Premier League wages, most need to improve their squad, or increase its useful size with better backup players. Without parachute payments, clubs would be destroyed by relegation.
I would suggest if the PP didn`t exist the clubs could manage their own finances better like writing relegation clauses into players contracts.
by Snowball » 28 Apr 2021 11:58
SanguinewindermereROYALSanguine
Parachute payments are vital to the financial security of relegated clubs. At the very least when promoted, a club needs to pay Premier League wages, most need to improve their squad, or increase its useful size with better backup players. Without parachute payments, clubs would be destroyed by relegation.
I would suggest if the PP didn`t exist the clubs could manage their own finances better like writing relegation clauses into players contracts.
'If we go down your wages get slashed in half.'
'Ok, no thanks, I'll sign for a different club.'
Of course relegation brings wage bills down, but to the extent of restoring pre-promotion finances. That's not realistic.
by Snowball » 28 Apr 2021 12:01
by Sanguine » 28 Apr 2021 12:03
SnowballSanguinewindermereROYAL
I would suggest if the PP didn`t exist the clubs could manage their own finances better like writing relegation clauses into players contracts.
'If we go down your wages get slashed in half.'
'Ok, no thanks, I'll sign for a different club.'
Of course relegation brings wage bills down, but to the extent of restoring pre-promotion finances. That's not realistic.
Strange that it worked when the Prem was called the first division
by Snowball » 28 Apr 2021 12:14
SanguineSnowballSanguine
'If we go down your wages get slashed in half.'
'Ok, no thanks, I'll sign for a different club.'
Of course relegation brings wage bills down, but to the extent of restoring pre-promotion finances. That's not realistic.
Strange that it worked when the Prem was called the first division
When the Premier League was the First Division, the financial disparity between the two was not so wide.
by Sanguine » 28 Apr 2021 12:18
by Snowball » 28 Apr 2021 12:38
Sanguine If you cut parachute payments, you either a) make it impossible for promoted clubs to compete (as they can't risk investment) or b) you see relegated clubs go bust. Simple as that. Not as easy as saying 'well let's wean ourselves off of that model', it was cause carnage for a decade or more. The horse has bolted.
by retro royal » 28 Apr 2021 12:53
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