Injury watch 2021/22

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Re: Injury watch 2021/22

by tidus_mi2 » 04 Oct 2021 15:02

paultheroyal I tell you what does get my goat and i saw it alot on twitter and perhaps on here at the weekend - its the comments:

"our physio department is awful"
"what do they do in training"
"something is totally wrong, questions should be asked"

Any grounds for such comment? Injuries are just that, injuries aren't they? How many are caused whilst training, versus bad challenges, personal injuries etc.

Just bad luck, right?

Bad luck could certainly account for 1 season with a large amount of injuries but it seems to be a fairly consistent thing with Reading starting with Stam so I'm not surprised fans are asking questions about what goes on behind closed doors.

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Re: Injury watch 2021/22

by Nameless » 04 Oct 2021 15:14

I doubt very many (if any) of our injuries are caused by the medical team.
What might be open to question is whether the right diagnosis is made quickly and then the correct rehab decisions made. I have absolutely no way of knowing that and I doubt many of us do. I would expect that for any significant injuries we use outside specialists any way. We used to use the Berkshire Independent but not sure if we still do.

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by Snowflake Royal » 04 Oct 2021 15:16

Absolutely. Its also not just the injuries. Its the poor recoveries too. Where is Araruna? Obita broke down regularly on recovery.

Meite did his ACL in pre-season ffs.

Moore's shoulder pops out if you look at it... surgery was delayed several times.

Rino has been a game away for about 4 games and there was no obvious in game injury that I recall.

There's a lot of examples. They usually coincide more with managers who focus on technique and passing out from the back too IMO. Stam, Gomes, Paunovic, Rodgers.

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by NathStPaul » 05 Oct 2021 09:32

Snowflake Royal Absolutely. Its also not just the injuries. Its the poor recoveries too. Where is Araruna? Obita broke down regularly on recovery.

Meite did his ACL in pre-season ffs.

Moore's shoulder pops out if you look at it... surgery was delayed several times.

Rino has been a game away for about 4 games and there was no obvious in game injury that I recall.

There's a lot of examples. They usually coincide more with managers who focus on technique and passing out from the back too IMO. Stam, Gomes, Paunovic, Rodgers.

Having seen Obita's recovery up close and personal I can say his lengthy comeback was purely down to how horrendous the injury was, it wasn't the clubs fault. He is very lucky to be playing tbh, was very much touch and go for a couple of months.

Agree on the rest though, I think there is something that can be looked at in terms of the recovery of seemingly minor injuries and decision making, Liam Moore being a prime example of that. He has known he needs surgery for a long time and it is quite negligent of the club to allow it to be delayed, they are not focussed on player welfare in that instance.

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Re: Injury watch 2021/22

by Stranded » 07 Oct 2021 09:26

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Snowflake Royal Absolutely. Its also not just the injuries. Its the poor recoveries too. Where is Araruna? Obita broke down regularly on recovery.

Meite did his ACL in pre-season ffs.

Moore's shoulder pops out if you look at it... surgery was delayed several times.

Rino has been a game away for about 4 games and there was no obvious in game injury that I recall.

There's a lot of examples. They usually coincide more with managers who focus on technique and passing out from the back too IMO. Stam, Gomes, Paunovic, Rodgers.

Having seen Obita's recovery up close and personal I can say his lengthy comeback was purely down to how horrendous the injury was, it wasn't the clubs fault. He is very lucky to be playing tbh, was very much touch and go for a couple of months.

Agree on the rest though, I think there is something that can be looked at in terms of the recovery of seemingly minor injuries and decision making, Liam Moore being a prime example of that. He has known he needs surgery for a long time and it is quite negligent of the club to allow it to be delayed, they are not focussed on player welfare in that instance.


Of course the club can do more but how are they supposed to force a player to have surgery if he doesn't want it or necessarily need it to get back to playing?


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by NathStPaul » 07 Oct 2021 09:31

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Snowflake Royal Absolutely. Its also not just the injuries. Its the poor recoveries too. Where is Araruna? Obita broke down regularly on recovery.

Meite did his ACL in pre-season ffs.

Moore's shoulder pops out if you look at it... surgery was delayed several times.

Rino has been a game away for about 4 games and there was no obvious in game injury that I recall.

There's a lot of examples. They usually coincide more with managers who focus on technique and passing out from the back too IMO. Stam, Gomes, Paunovic, Rodgers.

Having seen Obita's recovery up close and personal I can say his lengthy comeback was purely down to how horrendous the injury was, it wasn't the clubs fault. He is very lucky to be playing tbh, was very much touch and go for a couple of months.

Agree on the rest though, I think there is something that can be looked at in terms of the recovery of seemingly minor injuries and decision making, Liam Moore being a prime example of that. He has known he needs surgery for a long time and it is quite negligent of the club to allow it to be delayed, they are not focussed on player welfare in that instance.


Of course the club can do more but how are they supposed to force a player to have surgery if he doesn't want it or necessarily need it to get back to playing?

You say "You aren't playing for us again until you have surgery". He clearly needs it, he has admitted that himself. Can remember at least two ocassions last season where Liam Moore went down clutching his shoulder. The club's desperation for him to play came before the welfare of the player imo and who is to say he hasn't done permanent damage to it? Could affect him in later life. I am not suggesting it is just Reading who do this either, sure the majority of clubs make their important players play through injuries that need surgical fixes.

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Re: Injury watch 2021/22

by Stranded » 07 Oct 2021 09:58

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NathStPaul Having seen Obita's recovery up close and personal I can say his lengthy comeback was purely down to how horrendous the injury was, it wasn't the clubs fault. He is very lucky to be playing tbh, was very much touch and go for a couple of months.

Agree on the rest though, I think there is something that can be looked at in terms of the recovery of seemingly minor injuries and decision making, Liam Moore being a prime example of that. He has known he needs surgery for a long time and it is quite negligent of the club to allow it to be delayed, they are not focussed on player welfare in that instance.


Of course the club can do more but how are they supposed to force a player to have surgery if he doesn't want it or necessarily need it to get back to playing?

You say "You aren't playing for us again until you have surgery". He clearly needs it, he has admitted that himself. Can remember at least two ocassions last season where Liam Moore went down clutching his shoulder. The club's desperation for him to play came before the welfare of the player imo and who is to say he hasn't done permanent damage to it? Could affect him in later life. I am not suggesting it is just Reading who do this either, sure the majority of clubs make their important players play through injuries that need surgical fixes.


Just not sure it is as straightforward as that. If a player is fit and the club went on record with them that they won't play them unless of XYZ then it would potentially open a can of legal worms unless the contract states they can do so.

He accepts he needs it and he could have had it in the summer but he himself prioritised going to the Gold Cup, so he clearly feels he can perform without it. Has he actually missed many games as a result of the shoulder?

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Re: Injury watch 2021/22

by Zip » 07 Oct 2021 10:04

Moore really could have had a shoulder op in the close season in recent years. It cannot be good for him that his shoulder keeps popping

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by Hound » 07 Oct 2021 10:08

When did it last go? Joao has done it twice since the last time Moore did I think.

I'm sure it isn't quite that simple - I think often surgery is a last resort. What would the surgery actually do?

Regarding Meite - assumed when he did it he would be out for the season, but he seems to have been a regular back in the gym, made all the team photos etc. I do feel a bit more confident he'll be back spring rather than next season.


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by NathStPaul » 07 Oct 2021 10:12

Hound I'm sure it isn't quite that simple - I think often surgery is a last resort. What would the surgery actually do?


Stop his shoulder popping out of its socket.

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by Hound » 07 Oct 2021 10:26

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Hound I'm sure it isn't quite that simple - I think often surgery is a last resort. What would the surgery actually do?


Stop his shoulder popping out of its socket.


Any ideas how or how long it would take to recover from?

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Re: Injury watch 2021/22

by NathStPaul » 07 Oct 2021 10:30

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Hound I'm sure it isn't quite that simple - I think often surgery is a last resort. What would the surgery actually do?


Stop his shoulder popping out of its socket.


Any ideas how or how long it would take to recover from?


For an athlete about 8 months.

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Re: Injury watch 2021/22

by Brogue » 09 Oct 2021 11:35

According to getreading Moore has withdrawn from the Jamaica squad and flown home early due to injury. No details on what it is yet.


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by Mid Sussex Royal » 09 Oct 2021 14:47

Brogue According to getreading Moore has withdrawn from the Jamaica squad and flown home early due to injury. No details on what it is yet.


That was on twitter at start of week. Low well up with the news as usual

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Re: Injury watch 2021/22

by JR » 11 Oct 2021 20:19

Puscas must be injured as well now!

Started against Germany and now not even in squad tonight.

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by Zip » 11 Oct 2021 20:24

JR Puscas must be injured as well now!

Started against Germany and now not even in squad tonight.


Just about to post this. It will sums the injuries up perfectly if our only striker is now injured too.
EDIT Jnr has confirmed he is suspended for tonight following his red card so came back early.

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by Four Of Clubs » 11 Oct 2021 20:29

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JR Puscas must be injured as well now!

Started against Germany and now not even in squad tonight.


Just about to post this. It will sums the injuries up perfectly if our only striker is now injured too.


....he certainly appeared to get clattered near the end of the Germany game and was holding his knee but stayed on and ran around a bit so I thought he was Ok.
Be surprised if he's being 'rested' so could be bad news ...... Hopefully just recovering ....

....had a snoop about but Sportsmole which has an up to date preview of this round of WC games mentions him as a possible starter - probably needed to watch the game on the Red Button to find out why he isn't even on the bench?

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Re: Injury watch 2021/22

by Zip » 11 Oct 2021 20:46

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JR Puscas must be injured as well now!

Started against Germany and now not even in squad tonight.


Just about to post this. It will sums the injuries up perfectly if our only striker is now injured too.


....he certainly appeared to get clattered near the end of the Germany game and was holding his knee but stayed on and ran around a bit so I thought he was Ok.
Be surprised if he's being 'rested' so could be bad news ...... Hopefully just recovering ....

....had a snoop about but Sportsmole which has an up to date preview of this round of WC games mentions him as a possible starter - probably needed to watch the game on the Red Button to find out why he isn't even on the bench?



See my edit to my post

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Re: Injury watch 2021/22

by Four Of Clubs » 11 Oct 2021 21:02

T'anks to Jnr Z :D ....what's more I remember it now ...and I was even watching the latter part of that game. :oops: probably cost them at least a point too - think they were still 1-2 in front when he got dismissed and Armenia scored twice inside the last 5'.

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Re: Injury watch 2021/22

by Pepe the Horseman » 11 Oct 2021 21:14

Why wasn't he suspended for the Germany game?

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