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Re: Liam moore

by Snowflake Royal » 17 Jan 2022 22:02

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What's stupid is that it doesn't sound like we'd stand in his way now if a club came in for him, but this action has made that less likely. If we don't sell him, we've got a player on high wages for the next 18 months that we can't even put in the team any more.

Unless he's already gone on strike to force a move, the statement was a terrible decision, given how desperate we are for any fit defenders.


Eddie itk saying Yongge sanctioned the statement and its tone. He just made it much harder to get any offers for him.

The guy is an absolute clown so that makes sense

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Re: Liam moore

by CountryRoyal » 17 Jan 2022 22:05

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tmesis What's stupid is that it doesn't sound like we'd stand in his way now if a club came in for him, but this action has made that less likely. If we don't sell him, we've got a player on high wages for the next 18 months that we can't even put in the team any more.

Unless he's already gone on strike to force a move, the statement was a terrible decision, given how desperate we are for any fit defenders.


Eddie itk saying Yongge sanctioned the statement and its tone. He just made it much harder to get any offers for him.

The guy is an absolute clown so that makes sense


It makes complete sense.

It read like spiteful communist propaganda bs.

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Re: Liam moore

by The Green Programme » 18 Jan 2022 06:55

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For a start there are two sides to the story. There is more to this than just Moore saying he doesn’t want to play for the club. I am not particularly defending him either. I want him gone. It is ridiculous though for posters to lay the blame on him for our financial ruin. If you go to your employers with ridiculous wage claims you will be told to piss off. We decided through Gourlay to pay him what he wanted.

I also dislike our internal problems being aired in public. Moore will have his allies in the changing room. How is this going to help?

I also won’t take lectures from you about captaincy requirements.


Sharing my opinion is not lecturing; although you are free to describe it in any way you like; it doesn’t make your description an accurate one.

It’s a forum.

Perhaps you would like to share your ‘captaincy requirements’ for our Club?


It doesn’t make your description accurate either. You do not know any more than the rest of us why Moore has decided to leave so don’t try and suggest those that don’t agree with you “know nothing”;about being captain and what that entails.


That’s an interesting but disingenuous point.

It appears that you are suggesting that I require an ‘insider knowledge’ in order to judge whether you and other supporters of Liam Moore’s behaviour and attitude as being fitting as a Captain of our Club know anything about what it takes to be a Captain of our Club or any other Club.

I do not need ‘insider knowledge’ to understand that Liam Moore’s behaviour has not been fitting for the role of Captain.

In my opinion, his performance levels have generally been lacking for at least two seasons, if not three.

There have been some shocking performances amongst them too.

He demanded to leave and only stayed because the owners paid him eye watering sums of money.

And was also awarded the Captain’s armband.

I think the owners made an error in paying him such sums of money and not cashing in by selling him once his head was turned, as his behaviour in the ‘loyalty stakes’ was similar to that of Steve Clarke and his ongoing commitment has always been questionable to me.

It’s all about the money and not about the Club. All about saying the right things and not backing it up on the pitch.

Imagine if the owners at that time had responded to Steve Clarke’s behaviour by rewarding him with a huge contract and giving him more responsibility.

Is that the way you’d like the Club run?

Positions of responsibility held by people who threaten to leave unless they are paid more than anyone else?

You didn’t answer my question about ‘captaincy requirements’.

Perhaps you don’t have any and if so, my comment would be entirely accurate about knowing nothing about what may be required of a Captain.

For the purposes of clarity, some of my ‘captaincy requirements’ include;

Loyalty (whilst under contract), commitment, leadership, consistent performances, courage, resilience, discipline, focussed aggression, deeds not words, fighting for the cause of our Club, being the best they can possibly be and at all times being an ambassador of our Club.

I think Liam Moore has failed to demonstrate a number of these requirements for a long time.

Finally, for me, I really rated Liam Moore. I liked him when he was at Leicester. I thought he was a great signing with huge potential. The best of our signings for a little while, at that time.

To begin with I thought we had a gem of a player. A future hero, no less.

For many reasons, certainly not all of his making, it hasn’t worked out.

But it is his performances and his attitude to events (not just at this time)
that has led me to the conclusion that he should go and I think he has been at the Club for at least a year too many.

I wish him all the best elsewhere.

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Re: Liam moore

by Zip » 18 Jan 2022 07:19

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Sharing my opinion is not lecturing; although you are free to describe it in any way you like; it doesn’t make your description an accurate one.

It’s a forum.

Perhaps you would like to share your ‘captaincy requirements’ for our Club?


It doesn’t make your description accurate either. You do not know any more than the rest of us why Moore has decided to leave so don’t try and suggest those that don’t agree with you “know nothing”;about being captain and what that entails.


That’s an interesting but disingenuous point.

It appears that you are suggesting that I require an ‘insider knowledge’ in order to judge whether you and other supporters of Liam Moore’s behaviour and attitude as being fitting as a Captain of our Club know anything about what it takes to be a Captain of our Club or any other Club.

I do not need ‘insider knowledge’ to understand that Liam Moore’s behaviour has not been fitting for the role of Captain.

In my opinion, his performance levels have generally been lacking for at least two seasons, if not three.

There have been some shocking performances amongst them too.

He demanded to leave and only stayed because the owners paid him eye watering sums of money.

And was also awarded the Captain’s armband.

I think the owners made an error in paying him such sums of money and not cashing in by selling him once his head was turned, as his behaviour in the ‘loyalty stakes’ was similar to that of Steve Clarke and his ongoing commitment has always been questionable to me.

It’s all about the money and not about the Club. All about saying the right things and not backing it up on the pitch.

Imagine if the owners at that time had responded to Steve Clarke’s behaviour by rewarding him with a huge contract and giving him more responsibility.

Is that the way you’d like the Club run?

Positions of responsibility held by people who threaten to leave unless they are paid more than anyone else?

You didn’t answer my question about ‘captaincy requirements’.

Perhaps you don’t have any and if so, my comment would be entirely accurate about knowing nothing about what may be required of a Captain.

For the purposes of clarity, some of my ‘captaincy requirements’ include;

Loyalty (whilst under contract), commitment, leadership, consistent performances, courage, resilience, discipline, focussed aggression, deeds not words, fighting for the cause of our Club, being the best they can possibly be and at all times being an ambassador of our Club.

I think Liam Moore has failed to demonstrate a number of these requirements for a long time.

Finally, for me, I really rated Liam Moore. I liked him when he was at Leicester. I thought he was a great signing with huge potential. The best of our signings for a little while, at that time.

To begin with I thought we had a gem of a player. A future hero, no less.

For many reasons, certainly not all of his making, it hasn’t worked out.

But it is his performances and his attitude to events (not just at this time)
that has led me to the conclusion that he should go and I think he has been at the Club for at least a year too many.

I wish him all the best elsewhere.


It’s not disingenuous at all. We simply do not know why he has decided he wants to leave. I would want to know both sides of the story before wanting to go along with you and the rest of the hang him out to dry mob.

Last season when we played in front of 2,000 he was talking to the players non stop. Barking out orders constantly. You can’t hear him during normal match days but with a limited crowd it was quite clear he was the leader on the pitch.

He has nearly always played through pain. He should have had an operation on his shoulder. He has struggled with certain aspects of the game in recent years but I wouldn’t fault his desire. I believe he has been committed which again is something I would expect from the captain. He has still been putting his body on the line but his inability to organise the defence and his own poor positioning have let him down.

He was at one time inspirational but those days have long gone because his performance level has dropped so much. He also seems to have lost his enthusiasm for the club which used to be so evident. I remember when we beat QPR when Mannone saved a last minute pen Moore was punching his fists in the air to the delight of the East Stand. I recall him running around the pitch in delight after we drew with West Brom and other results came through confirming our safety. That wasn’t faking it. He clearly cared.

So it’s a mixed bag. We don’t know if he commands the respect of the dressing room. I suspect a lot of players look up to him. None of the other players have ever come out against him and that is a crucial part of being a captain. He has also done his share of external work in the community which again as an ambassador for the club is a key part of his role. He has also paid for supporters to travel to an away game.

He usually comes out to talk to the press after a bad result. Supporters can make their own minds up about how genuine he has been. It often seems like a chore to him in post match interviews but he is not alone in that respect.

Should he go? Absolutely. Will I miss him? Nope. We need him off the books as soon as possible but I dislike the way this has been handled. It shouldn’t be done in public. It isn’t helping the club nor the team handling it this way and it will make it harder to shift him on.

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Re: Liam moore

by Franchise FC » 18 Jan 2022 07:58

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Yes, we lost on Saturday in what is becoming a fairly standard way - i.e get in the lead and chuck it away but I don't think many people were too annoyed by given we expected defeat ahead of time - a lot of people could even see shoots of improvement in the 2nd half.

If it was just deflection then what better time than after the Fulham debacle - you can argue about the wording but as said nothing in there seems to be incorrect even if some didn't need to be said but 95% of fans want him gone and he is now on his way in some way shape or form - he won't appear in our first team again - looks like Morrison/Holmes on Weds and then expect TMac and Dann to challenge - Moore is fifth choice now, so lets just get him out or leave him to train on his own. Free transfer and even pay 50% of his wages for the rest of the season if we need to - will still be a decent unexpected saving on the budget.



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Re: Liam moore

by The Green Programme » 18 Jan 2022 08:04

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It doesn’t make your description accurate either. You do not know any more than the rest of us why Moore has decided to leave so don’t try and suggest those that don’t agree with you “know nothing”;about being captain and what that entails.


That’s an interesting but disingenuous point.

It appears that you are suggesting that I require an ‘insider knowledge’ in order to judge whether you and other supporters of Liam Moore’s behaviour and attitude as being fitting as a Captain of our Club know anything about what it takes to be a Captain of our Club or any other Club.

I do not need ‘insider knowledge’ to understand that Liam Moore’s behaviour has not been fitting for the role of Captain.

In my opinion, his performance levels have generally been lacking for at least two seasons, if not three.

There have been some shocking performances amongst them too.

He demanded to leave and only stayed because the owners paid him eye watering sums of money.

And was also awarded the Captain’s armband.

I think the owners made an error in paying him such sums of money and not cashing in by selling him once his head was turned, as his behaviour in the ‘loyalty stakes’ was similar to that of Steve Clarke and his ongoing commitment has always been questionable to me.

It’s all about the money and not about the Club. All about saying the right things and not backing it up on the pitch.

Imagine if the owners at that time had responded to Steve Clarke’s behaviour by rewarding him with a huge contract and giving him more responsibility.

Is that the way you’d like the Club run?

Positions of responsibility held by people who threaten to leave unless they are paid more than anyone else?

You didn’t answer my question about ‘captaincy requirements’.

Perhaps you don’t have any and if so, my comment would be entirely accurate about knowing nothing about what may be required of a Captain.

For the purposes of clarity, some of my ‘captaincy requirements’ include;

Loyalty (whilst under contract), commitment, leadership, consistent performances, courage, resilience, discipline, focussed aggression, deeds not words, fighting for the cause of our Club, being the best they can possibly be and at all times being an ambassador of our Club.

I think Liam Moore has failed to demonstrate a number of these requirements for a long time.

Finally, for me, I really rated Liam Moore. I liked him when he was at Leicester. I thought he was a great signing with huge potential. The best of our signings for a little while, at that time.

To begin with I thought we had a gem of a player. A future hero, no less.

For many reasons, certainly not all of his making, it hasn’t worked out.

But it is his performances and his attitude to events (not just at this time)
that has led me to the conclusion that he should go and I think he has been at the Club for at least a year too many.

I wish him all the best elsewhere.


It’s not disingenuous at all. We simply do not know why he has decided he wants to leave. I would want to know both sides of the story before wanting to go along with you and the rest of the hang him out to dry mob.

Last season when we played in front of 2,000 he was talking to the players non stop. Barking out orders constantly. You can’t hear him during normal match days but with a limited crowd it was quite clear he was the leader on the pitch.

He has nearly always played through pain. He should have had an operation on his shoulder. He has struggled with certain aspects of the game in recent years but I wouldn’t fault his desire. I believe he has been committed which again is something I would expect from the captain. He has still been putting his body on the line but his inability to organise the defence and his own poor positioning have let him down.

He was at one time inspirational but those days have long gone because his performance level has dropped so much. He also seems to have lost his enthusiasm for the club which used to be so evident. I remember when we beat QPR when Mannone saved a last minute pen Moore was punching his fists in the air to the delight of the East Stand. I recall him running around the pitch in delight after we drew with West Brom and other results came through confirming our safety. That wasn’t faking it. He clearly cared.

So it’s a mixed bag. We don’t know if he commands the respect of the dressing room. I suspect a lot of players look up to him. None of the other players have ever come out against him and that is a crucial part of being a captain. He has also done his share of external work in the community which again as an ambassador for the club is a key part of his role. He has also paid for supporters to travel to an away game.

He usually comes out to talk to the press after a bad result. Supporters can make their own minds up about how genuine he has been. It often seems like a chore to him in post match interviews but he is not alone in that respect.

Should he go? Absolutely. Will I miss him? Nope. We need him off the books as soon as possible but I dislike the way this has been handled. It shouldn’t be done in public. It isn’t helping the club nor the team handling it this way and it will make it harder to shift him on.


A very good post, and I agree that the Club be could be managing events with far more considered discretion.

The next two weeks could be interesting!

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Re: Liam moore

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 18 Jan 2022 09:14

To be fair, he will understand the clubs situation. I wouldn't be surprised if the club have said to Moore that they need to let him go because his of his wage demands, players aren't stupid they know what is going on at the club, they'll have known long before we did about the situation the club have found itself in, off the field anyway.

It probably would explain why he was "shocked" by the clubs statement as well. I must admit, having read it myself it seemed somewhat harsh, particularly about players being committed to playing for the club. I don't think he's ever actually not wanted to play for the club and I wouldn't question his commitment in that sense, but I also think he's always been open to a move away as well.

I saw last night that the statement came from the owner himself and was given in exactly that tone. Whether Moore and the owner have fallen out over this, seems plausible, I don't know. The club statement doesn't seem to cover Moore in a whole lot of glory, but I don't think that's the true extent of the story.

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Re: Liam moore

by Hound » 18 Jan 2022 09:18

It did read like the owner had a strop over the whole issue

No doubts he realised when he offered Moore that money, he'd made a huge commitment, and it was on his own back. It hasn't been repaid with some pretty poor performances ever since.I suspect he strongly regrets doing it, knowing it went a long way to causing our FFP issues. Then Moore asks to go, and has possibly caused a stink/refused to play or something. Owner's patience has snapped and here's the result.

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Re: Liam moore

by Mr Optimist » 18 Jan 2022 09:53

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It doesn’t make your description accurate either. You do not know any more than the rest of us why Moore has decided to leave so don’t try and suggest those that don’t agree with you “know nothing”;about being captain and what that entails.


That’s an interesting but disingenuous point.

It appears that you are suggesting that I require an ‘insider knowledge’ in order to judge whether you and other supporters of Liam Moore’s behaviour and attitude as being fitting as a Captain of our Club know anything about what it takes to be a Captain of our Club or any other Club.

I do not need ‘insider knowledge’ to understand that Liam Moore’s behaviour has not been fitting for the role of Captain.

In my opinion, his performance levels have generally been lacking for at least two seasons, if not three.

There have been some shocking performances amongst them too.

He demanded to leave and only stayed because the owners paid him eye watering sums of money.

And was also awarded the Captain’s armband.

I think the owners made an error in paying him such sums of money and not cashing in by selling him once his head was turned, as his behaviour in the ‘loyalty stakes’ was similar to that of Steve Clarke and his ongoing commitment has always been questionable to me.

It’s all about the money and not about the Club. All about saying the right things and not backing it up on the pitch.

Imagine if the owners at that time had responded to Steve Clarke’s behaviour by rewarding him with a huge contract and giving him more responsibility.

Is that the way you’d like the Club run?

Positions of responsibility held by people who threaten to leave unless they are paid more than anyone else?

You didn’t answer my question about ‘captaincy requirements’.

Perhaps you don’t have any and if so, my comment would be entirely accurate about knowing nothing about what may be required of a Captain.

For the purposes of clarity, some of my ‘captaincy requirements’ include;

Loyalty (whilst under contract), commitment, leadership, consistent performances, courage, resilience, discipline, focussed aggression, deeds not words, fighting for the cause of our Club, being the best they can possibly be and at all times being an ambassador of our Club.

I think Liam Moore has failed to demonstrate a number of these requirements for a long time.

Finally, for me, I really rated Liam Moore. I liked him when he was at Leicester. I thought he was a great signing with huge potential. The best of our signings for a little while, at that time.

To begin with I thought we had a gem of a player. A future hero, no less.

For many reasons, certainly not all of his making, it hasn’t worked out.

But it is his performances and his attitude to events (not just at this time)
that has led me to the conclusion that he should go and I think he has been at the Club for at least a year too many.

I wish him all the best elsewhere.


It’s not disingenuous at all. We simply do not know why he has decided he wants to leave. I would want to know both sides of the story before wanting to go along with you and the rest of the hang him out to dry mob.

Last season when we played in front of 2,000 he was talking to the players non stop. Barking out orders constantly. You can’t hear him during normal match days but with a limited crowd it was quite clear he was the leader on the pitch.

He has nearly always played through pain. He should have had an operation on his shoulder. He has struggled with certain aspects of the game in recent years but I wouldn’t fault his desire. I believe he has been committed which again is something I would expect from the captain. He has still been putting his body on the line but his inability to organise the defence and his own poor positioning have let him down.

He was at one time inspirational but those days have long gone because his performance level has dropped so much. He also seems to have lost his enthusiasm for the club which used to be so evident. I remember when we beat QPR when Mannone saved a last minute pen Moore was punching his fists in the air to the delight of the East Stand. I recall him running around the pitch in delight after we drew with West Brom and other results came through confirming our safety. That wasn’t faking it. He clearly cared.

So it’s a mixed bag. We don’t know if he commands the respect of the dressing room. I suspect a lot of players look up to him. None of the other players have ever come out against him and that is a crucial part of being a captain. He has also done his share of external work in the community which again as an ambassador for the club is a key part of his role. He has also paid for supporters to travel to an away game.

He usually comes out to talk to the press after a bad result. Supporters can make their own minds up about how genuine he has been. It often seems like a chore to him in post match interviews but he is not alone in that respect.

Should he go? Absolutely. Will I miss him? Nope. We need him off the books as soon as possible but I dislike the way this has been handled. It shouldn’t be done in public. It isn’t helping the club nor the team handling it this way and it will make it harder to shift him on.


+1. Totally agree. I too am reserving judgement until we know the other side of the story. What we can surely agree on is the handling of the situation could should have been handled better.


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Re: Liam moore

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 18 Jan 2022 10:06

Hound It did read like the owner had a strop over the whole issue

No doubts he realised when he offered Moore that money, he'd made a huge commitment, and it was on his own back. It hasn't been repaid with some pretty poor performances ever since.I suspect he strongly regrets doing it, knowing it went a long way to causing our FFP issues. Then Moore asks to go, and has possibly caused a stink/refused to play or something. Owner's patience has snapped and here's the result.


Not to mention he has also said how he remains "wholeheartedly committed" to a "project he holds close to his heart" whereas Moore is seen as the villain here. I'll be sad to see Moore go. I've always liked him and always thought he was a top player, but under these circumstances he needs to be moved on.

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Re: Liam moore

by Coppells Lost Coat » 18 Jan 2022 10:20

I agree always 2 sides of the story. Player and the manager will always have disagreements. But for the owner to step in would direct to a much larger problem than tactics.. How it escalated is anyones (on here) guess. But the tone of the statement suggests it is a lot more than just a one off falling out.

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Re: Liam moore

by Snowflake Royal » 18 Jan 2022 10:22

Wasn't it under Moore's captaincy that the players refused to come out and give the fans the traditional and promised lap of honour for over an hour at the end of the season when we lost 4-0 to Ipswich because they would rather sulk about being shit?

Great captaincy that was. Should have been saying get the oxf*rd out there and clap them for putting up with the shit we've served up.

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Re: Liam moore

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 18 Jan 2022 11:10

Snowflake Royal Wasn't it under Moore's captaincy that the players refused to come out and give the fans the traditional and promised lap of honour for over an hour at the end of the season when we lost 4-0 to Ipswich because they would rather sulk about being shit?

Great captaincy that was. Should have been saying get the oxf*rd out there and clap them for putting up with the shit we've served up.


That could have been the managers instruction.


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Re: Liam moore

by Brogue » 18 Jan 2022 11:17

Wasn’t it also Moore who advised players not to take a covid pay cut like the rest of the footballing world. Which apparently tipped us over the edge of ffp. Rumours are that had the players taken a bigger proportion of a pay cut we wouldn’t have breached and got the points deduction.

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Re: Liam moore

by Millsy » 18 Jan 2022 11:35

Zip We simply do not know why he has decided he wants to leave. I would want to know both sides of the story before wanting to go along with you and the rest of the hang him out to dry mob.

Last season when we played in front of 2,000 he was talking to the players non stop. Barking out orders constantly. You can’t hear him during normal match days but with a limited crowd it was quite clear he was the leader on the pitch.

He has nearly always played through pain. He should have had an operation on his shoulder. He has struggled with certain aspects of the game in recent years but I wouldn’t fault his desire. I believe he has been committed which again is something I would expect from the captain. He has still been putting his body on the line but his inability to organise the defence and his own poor positioning have let him down.

He was at one time inspirational but those days have long gone because his performance level has dropped so much. He also seems to have lost his enthusiasm for the club which used to be so evident. I remember when we beat QPR when Mannone saved a last minute pen Moore was punching his fists in the air to the delight of the East Stand. I recall him running around the pitch in delight after we drew with West Brom and other results came through confirming our safety. That wasn’t faking it. He clearly cared.

So it’s a mixed bag. We don’t know if he commands the respect of the dressing room. I suspect a lot of players look up to him. None of the other players have ever come out against him and that is a crucial part of being a captain. He has also done his share of external work in the community which again as an ambassador for the club is a key part of his role. He has also paid for supporters to travel to an away game.

He usually comes out to talk to the press after a bad result. Supporters can make their own minds up about how genuine he has been. It often seems like a chore to him in post match interviews but he is not alone in that respect.

Should he go? Absolutely. Will I miss him? Nope. We need him off the books as soon as possible but I dislike the way this has been handled. It shouldn’t be done in public. It isn’t helping the club nor the team handling it this way and it will make it harder to shift him on.


Great to see some decent sense. I want him gone too obviously just because he's expensive and not that good but we can't hate him until we know the full story. People here get upset at this suggestion for some reason.

Frankly stunned at how HNA has decided to absolutely detest him when it's the club that looks stupid and unprofessional, not Moore.

I can understand people who have always slated him for being shit just extending that anger, that's fine and consistent. But for the whole of HNA to gang up on the poor chap almost unanimously based on this unprofessional club statement is just ridiculous.

I've had employees who have just spread all sorts of vicious lies when I've sacked them but to this day I don't defend myself by explaining or discussing with other staff and refuse to badmouth them or discuss the case at all. It's purely between me and this person, I wouldn't stoop so low. That's what professionalism is. Sir John puts "reputation" at the top of the list for a successful business and rightly so. Ours is trash now.

I've slated his performances several times too but he has always seemed decent, always seems willing to give all for the club, gets passionate and tries to at least appear to be positive. He has sounded mature and reasonable in interviews too.

There are SOO many possible factors here, so many ways that it might be totally reasonable for him to not want to play. We know Pauno has forced him to play through injury, we know from CHicago reports he irritates some players. Who knows what the actual reason is or his side of the story. RIdiculous HNA/ Reading fan reaction IMO. If simply wanting to leave is what hurt our feelings so much, where's the vitriol for Olise, RIchards, Danny Williams, Barrow etc etc..
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Re: Liam moore

by NathStPaul » 18 Jan 2022 11:36

Brogue Wasn’t it also Moore who advised players not to take a covid pay cut like the rest of the footballing world. Which apparently tipped us over the edge of ffp. Rumours are that had the players taken a bigger proportion of a pay cut we wouldn’t have breached and got the points deduction.

He's an out and out tosser. Wouldn't mind if he was good at his job.

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Re: Liam moore

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 18 Jan 2022 11:55

Our players did eventually take a "significant" wage cut though, so I'm not sure how they, or Moore, can be held responsible for that potentially being the tipping point for FFP regulations, especially considering the extravagant spending years previous.

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Re: Liam moore

by Forbury Lion » 18 Jan 2022 11:57

Hound It did read like the owner had a strop over the whole issue

No doubts he realised when he offered Moore that money, he'd made a huge commitment, and it was on his own back. It hasn't been repaid with some pretty poor performances ever since.I suspect he strongly regrets doing it, knowing it went a long way to causing our FFP issues. Then Moore asks to go, and has possibly caused a stink/refused to play or something. Owner's patience has snapped and here's the result.
They now have a player they probably won't play on big wages who they want to sell, They won't get any big offers for him now, at best a club might offer to take him for free and offer to cover some of his wages or contribute towards the cost of paying up his contract.
From a business point of view now, take whatever you can now if it means you end up paying less than you would otherwise. Perhaps even if it costs you more it might be worth it if it helps with squad harmony.

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Re: Liam moore

by Forbury Lion » 18 Jan 2022 12:00

When Moore was offered a contract, what exactly did the club promise him as I'm confident whatever it was regarding the clubs on pitch efforts, it hasn't been delivered (admittedly, Moore is part of that), so I have no beef with him expressing a desire to leave. I imagine John Swift and all the players out of contract are hoping to leave too for a team at a higher level too.

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Re: Liam moore

by Millsy » 18 Jan 2022 12:01

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Hound It did read like the owner had a strop over the whole issue

No doubts he realised when he offered Moore that money, he'd made a huge commitment, and it was on his own back. It hasn't been repaid with some pretty poor performances ever since.I suspect he strongly regrets doing it, knowing it went a long way to causing our FFP issues. Then Moore asks to go, and has possibly caused a stink/refused to play or something. Owner's patience has snapped and here's the result.
They now have a player they probably won't play on big wages who they want to sell, They won't get any big offers for him now, at best a club might offer to take him for free and offer to cover some of his wages or contribute towards the cost of paying up his contract.
From a business point of view now, take whatever you can now if it means you end up paying less than you would otherwise. Perhaps even if it costs you more it might be worth it if it helps with squad harmony.


Or.. if the manager's the issue get someone else in who'll put an arm around the lad, get him to perform near to his potential, gets him in the shop window, win-win for everyone.

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