Squad Watch 2022/23

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by Snowflake Royal » 27 Jun 2022 21:57

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Got the impression he was recommended by Warner

Anyway cheap and come off 2 good seasons. Have no issue with it, might potentially be a decent signing

Certainly happier with this than Lumley


I think he was on the radar but imagine Warner coming in, he will have had a say.

Don't get being pissy that we signed another keeper and not a CM, deals move at different speeds, imagine this is a low cost one so likely ratified by EFL quickly. Deals for outfield players will likely be tougher to get over the line - see the supposed deal for Tucker.

It's mainly because we don't need a second keeper and have minimal resources. We should be focusing all our energy on gaping holes. We currently have almost no midfield, and that's rather more key for pre-season than a reserve keeper.

We've been doing this for years. Bringing in players in areas that aren't a priority, at the expense of areas that obviously are.

57 wingers last season and one left back who was away for winter.

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by NathStPaul » 27 Jun 2022 22:29

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Got the impression he was recommended by Warner

Anyway cheap and come off 2 good seasons. Have no issue with it, might potentially be a decent signing

Certainly happier with this than Lumley


I think he was on the radar but imagine Warner coming in, he will have had a say.

Don't get being pissy that we signed another keeper and not a CM, deals move at different speeds, imagine this is a low cost one so likely ratified by EFL quickly. Deals for outfield players will likely be tougher to get over the line - see the supposed deal for Tucker.

It's mainly because we don't need a second keeper and have minimal resources. We should be focusing all our energy on gaping holes. We currently have almost no midfield, and that's rather more key for pre-season than a reserve keeper.

We've been doing this for years. Bringing in players in areas that aren't a priority, at the expense of areas that obviously are.

57 wingers last season and one left back who was away for winter.

I wonder what it does to Lumley's confidence too. He has obviously been brought in to be the number one and a week later the mate of the manager's son and the keeper coach is signed.

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by morganb » 28 Jun 2022 00:23

Don't worry about Lumley, apparently he's a real trouper. In all the press photos he was smiling, having fun, and the reason was because he was feeling like a number one.

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by Stranded » 28 Jun 2022 07:00

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Got the impression he was recommended by Warner

Anyway cheap and come off 2 good seasons. Have no issue with it, might potentially be a decent signing

Certainly happier with this than Lumley


I think he was on the radar but imagine Warner coming in, he will have had a say.

Don't get being pissy that we signed another keeper and not a CM, deals move at different speeds, imagine this is a low cost one so likely ratified by EFL quickly. Deals for outfield players will likely be tougher to get over the line - see the supposed deal for Tucker.

It's mainly because we don't need a second keeper and have minimal resources. We should be focusing all our energy on gaping holes. We currently have almost no midfield, and that's rather more key for pre-season than a reserve keeper.

We've been doing this for years. Bringing in players in areas that aren't a priority, at the expense of areas that obviously are.

57 wingers last season and one left back who was away for winter.


With it pretty much confirmed Southwood is free to go, we did need 2 keepers else we are putting a lot of pressure on 2 young keepers who probably need a loan next season rather than bench warming.

If we only bring in 2 keepers and Ince then we arenin the shit but we all know the restrictions we are under and a deal for a L2 keeper is going to be an easy one to ratify. He'll probably be on less than Southwood too (or similar). A GK deal is less risk esp. if primarily #2.

Offers will be in with a multitude of players but we are pretty powerless to control the speed they complete as free agents will want to check options before committing and loaning clubs will want to be certain a move is right for a younger player.

Bouzandis has just been given the chance to step up 2 divisions, likely earn a payrise, and have a decent chance of becoming #1. We are likely the best offer he has got. Sutton fans seem to think he can make the step up too.

So yes, I would have preferred a midfielder but a lot of people at the end of the season were saying we probably needed two new keepers, we have them. Other deals will hopefully come in the days and weeks ahead but as said, we have little control over the when and the order of arrivals.

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by morganb » 28 Jun 2022 07:18

Why are some players taken on trial (has the trialist become more popular in recent years) whereas others are bought straight away?


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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by Stranded » 28 Jun 2022 07:33

morganb Why are some players taken on trial (has the trialist become more popular in recent years) whereas others are bought straight away?


Players who are brought straight in will either have been targets or known to the coaching staff - those on trial may well be fairly unknown to the managerial team or have a question mark around injury record etc - so best to get them in and see them in training. If Wickham and Hutchinson definitely are training with us at the mo, would imagine they'll get at least a half against Colchester at the weekend so the coaches can see them in a match.

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by NathStPaul » 28 Jun 2022 07:34

morganb Why are some players taken on trial (has the trialist become more popular in recent years) whereas others are bought straight away?

Guess it would be due to other interest declared in the player. In Bouzanis' case it would be likely there were a few clubs interested so we got in there first.

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by Hound » 28 Jun 2022 07:54

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I think he was on the radar but imagine Warner coming in, he will have had a say.

Don't get being pissy that we signed another keeper and not a CM, deals move at different speeds, imagine this is a low cost one so likely ratified by EFL quickly. Deals for outfield players will likely be tougher to get over the line - see the supposed deal for Tucker.

It's mainly because we don't need a second keeper and have minimal resources. We should be focusing all our energy on gaping holes. We currently have almost no midfield, and that's rather more key for pre-season than a reserve keeper.

We've been doing this for years. Bringing in players in areas that aren't a priority, at the expense of areas that obviously are.

57 wingers last season and one left back who was away for winter.


With it pretty much confirmed Southwood is free to go, we did need 2 keepers else we are putting a lot of pressure on 2 young keepers who probably need a loan next season rather than bench warming.

If we only bring in 2 keepers and Ince then we arenin the shit but we all know the restrictions we are under and a deal for a L2 keeper is going to be an easy one to ratify. He'll probably be on less than Southwood too (or similar). A GK deal is less risk esp. if primarily #2.

Offers will be in with a multitude of players but we are pretty powerless to control the speed they complete as free agents will want to check options before committing and loaning clubs will want to be certain a move is right for a younger player.

Bouzandis has just been given the chance to step up 2 divisions, likely earn a payrise, and have a decent chance of becoming #1. We are likely the best offer he has got. Sutton fans seem to think he can make the step up too.

So yes, I would have preferred a midfielder but a lot of people at the end of the season were saying we probably needed two new keepers, we have them. Other deals will hopefully come in the days and weeks ahead but as said, we have little control over the when and the order of arrivals.


Quite likely also that we have put in contract offers to players who are still looking over their options, as Rino did, and also with Bouzanis

I’d expect to see a few more come in as contracts expire and as prem teams get their squads together for the new season and know who is surplus to requirements

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 28 Jun 2022 08:49

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Got the impression he was recommended by Warner

Anyway cheap and come off 2 good seasons. Have no issue with it, might potentially be a decent signing

Certainly happier with this than Lumley


I think he was on the radar but imagine Warner coming in, he will have had a say.

Don't get being pissy that we signed another keeper and not a CM, deals move at different speeds, imagine this is a low cost one so likely ratified by EFL quickly. Deals for outfield players will likely be tougher to get over the line - see the supposed deal for Tucker.

It's mainly because we don't need a second keeper and have minimal resources. We should be focusing all our energy on gaping holes. We currently have almost no midfield, and that's rather more key for pre-season than a reserve keeper.

We've been doing this for years. Bringing in players in areas that aren't a priority, at the expense of areas that obviously are.

57 wingers last season and one left back who was away for winter.


There are still another 2 months+ of the transfer window left yet and players aren't officially out of contract for another couple of days, there will be many negotiations going on within the club currently. As mentioned, deals move at different speeds.

Particularly when Laurent and Rino have only just made it known to the club that they'd be leaving, I can fully understand why we have sorted the goalkeeping department first because that was a priority area, which I'm ok with. I'm sure we will have targets in each position that we need to fill, but depending on the selling club and ourselves, it won't just happen in the order we feel we need it to happen in.


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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by Snowflake Royal » 28 Jun 2022 09:35

It wasn’t a priority area.

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by NathStPaul » 28 Jun 2022 09:40

Snowflake Royal It wasn’t a priority area.

Of course it wasn't but that won't suit YR's narrative. He seems to be sticking to this line where it is completely irrelevant that we have lost our central midfielders because they all had a "poor 18 months".

We already had Lumley, Southwood and the two young keepers. Worst case scenario we sell Southwood and have Boyce-Clarke as the number two, we didn't NEED Bouzanis.

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by Hound » 28 Jun 2022 09:56

It’s not an instead of though is it? Bouzanis becomes available, we think we need a second keeper (and tbf he looks like he could be a decent option)

What do we do? Say sorry mate, can’t sign you because we need some midfielders and a left back first? Whilst he signs for someone else

Very much doubt Ince and Bowen haven’t noticed we need a midfield. Also a chance that Rino and Laurent hadn’t told them they were leaving til shortly before they did.

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by Zip » 28 Jun 2022 09:57

We also have Andrésson. Strange move bringing in another keeper. With a month to go before the League season starts we really need to bring in a couple of central midfielders.


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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 28 Jun 2022 09:57

Snowflake Royal It wasn’t a priority area.


Why wasn't it? Because we had numbers? They aren't good enough. Southwood isn't good enough at this level yet, CBC and Andresson aren't ready to play at this level yet either. I'd rather sort that position out with more experience and quality, rather than leave it because you don't believe it isn't a priority because we have numbers in that position.

We used 4 goalkeepers last season, we've now sorted that position out. We now have 2 goalkeepers competing for the No.1 spot with decent quality and experience, whereas we previously had 3 young goalkeepers who are not ready for this level of football.

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by Hound » 28 Jun 2022 09:58

Zip We also have Andrésson. Strange move bringing in another keeper. With a month to go before the League season starts we really need to bring in a couple of central midfielders.


CBC looks decent but expect both Andresson and him will go out on loan and we’ll bin Southwood

Fine by me

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by NathStPaul » 28 Jun 2022 09:58

Hound It’s not an instead of though is it? Bouzanis becomes available, we think we need a second keeper (and tbf he looks like he could be a decent option)

What do we do? Say sorry mate, can’t sign you because we need some midfielders and a left back first? Whilst he signs for someone else

Very much doubt Ince and Bowen haven’t noticed we need a midfield. Also a chance that Rino and Laurent hadn’t told them they were leaving til shortly before they did.


Yes.

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 28 Jun 2022 09:59

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Snowflake Royal It wasn’t a priority area.

Of course it wasn't but that won't suit YR's narrative. He seems to be sticking to this line where it is completely irrelevant that we have lost our central midfielders because they all had a "poor 18 months".

We already had Lumley, Southwood and the two young keepers. Worst case scenario we sell Southwood and have Boyce-Clarke as the number two, we didn't NEED Bouzanis.


Again, not reading correctly. When did I say it was irrelevant that we lost our central midfield? I said I wasn't that bothered as I am confident that the club will bring in replacements.

Whether they are good enough or not is a different question, but you forget entirely that the decisions were out of our hands.

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by Hound » 28 Jun 2022 09:59

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Hound It’s not an instead of though is it? Bouzanis becomes available, we think we need a second keeper (and tbf he looks like he could be a decent option)

What do we do? Say sorry mate, can’t sign you because we need some midfielders and a left back first? Whilst he signs for someone else

Very much doubt Ince and Bowen haven’t noticed we need a midfield. Also a chance that Rino and Laurent hadn’t told them they were leaving til shortly before they did.


Yes.


Guess that’s why they are in their jobs and you are in yours then

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 28 Jun 2022 10:00

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Hound It’s not an instead of though is it? Bouzanis becomes available, we think we need a second keeper (and tbf he looks like he could be a decent option)

What do we do? Say sorry mate, can’t sign you because we need some midfielders and a left back first? Whilst he signs for someone else

Very much doubt Ince and Bowen haven’t noticed we need a midfield. Also a chance that Rino and Laurent hadn’t told them they were leaving til shortly before they did.


Yes.


What is to say that isn't happening?

It's not a one at a time process you know, we can work on multiple deals at one time. Have you ever considered that Bouzanis maybe signed on the dotted line before a central midfielder that we targeted 3 weeks ago because said central midfielder is considering other options and we were easily the best option for Bouzanis?

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Re: Squad Watch 2022/23

by NathStPaul » 28 Jun 2022 10:01

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Hound It’s not an instead of though is it? Bouzanis becomes available, we think we need a second keeper (and tbf he looks like he could be a decent option)

What do we do? Say sorry mate, can’t sign you because we need some midfielders and a left back first? Whilst he signs for someone else

Very much doubt Ince and Bowen haven’t noticed we need a midfield. Also a chance that Rino and Laurent hadn’t told them they were leaving til shortly before they did.


Yes.


Guess that’s why they are in their jobs and you are in yours then

Yeah they have done a cracking job of recruitment in recent times, solid work at the club. Oh and be an arse all you like, doesn't make you any less wrong.

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