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Re: Fans Forum with Ince and Bowen next Thursday

by paultheroyal » 12 Aug 2022 10:09

Nameless Interesting comments for me were
- both Ince and Bowen basically said they had been given a ‘blank sheet of paper’ by the owner to rebuild the club structure. Stressed the owner is still very keen, willing to provide financial support . Seems there is a real desire to change the way the club operates.
- circumstances around Bowen leaving previously were described very differently to how every one assumed.
- recognised that the relationship with the fans had not been what it should be. Bowen said it’s his job to make sure we are communicated with and both said they would be up front and honest.

As ever it was an enjoyable evening , hope the online participants got the benefits too.



Excellent update - thank you.

Club are really turning a corner, excellent to see. Brilliant if transforms to the pitch.

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Re: Fans Forum with Ince and Bowen next Thursday

by Zip » 12 Aug 2022 10:24

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Hound So sounds like the Sarr deal puts us over the wage limit until we ship someone out

Puscas should go freeing that up but shows were pretty much at the limit of where we can be


This doesn’t surprise me at all This is a big problem because we are clearly struggling to get a decent fee for Puscas or loan him out on decent terms.

Bowen did also say that he`s not playing because they don`t want to risk him getting injured.


Yep again that was what I half expected to be the case as Puscas was playing internationals in mid June and training with us for the past few weeks so was clearly going to be fit to play.

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Re: Fans Forum with Ince and Bowen next Thursday

by Zip » 12 Aug 2022 10:26

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Nameless Interesting comments for me were
- both Ince and Bowen basically said they had been given a ‘blank sheet of paper’ by the owner to rebuild the club structure. Stressed the owner is still very keen, willing to provide financial support . Seems there is a real desire to change the way the club operates.
- circumstances around Bowen leaving previously were described very differently to how every one assumed.
- recognised that the relationship with the fans had not been what it should be. Bowen said it’s his job to make sure we are communicated with and both said they would be up front and honest.

As ever it was an enjoyable evening , hope the online participants got the benefits too.



Excellent update - thank you.

Club are really turning a corner, excellent to see. Brilliant if transforms to the pitch.



Just need to get the injury issues sorted out and some more bodies in and we will be fine. Agree that we are moving in the right direction and there has been a clear strategy of bringing in the type of players that can deal with the physicality of the Championship as well as ensuring fitness levels were significantly improved on previous seasons.

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Re: Fans Forum with Ince and Bowen next Thursday

by Stranded » 12 Aug 2022 10:31

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Although it was said quite specifically that Sarr has signed, which must be interesting legally if the deal hasn’t been ratified. Presumably he’s not being paid and we’ve not got ourselves tied in to a deal for a player who can’t actually play for,us ?


We may well be paying him but if he isn't registered, his wages likely don't count towards the squad budget. Looks like we just need proof that Puscas or someone is on the way out for the registration to happen. Frustrating if it's true that the EFL switched their stance from allowing the signing and then us balancing the books to the other way round but completely understandable and correct really.

Shows we really need to get the last couple of big spenders out asap, if we want to add more strength in depth.

Given we've had several offers on the table for Puscas and haven't accepted them, I find it hard to blame the FL for not trusting us, given our track record.


Naturally, have no qualms over it - just a frustration if they have changed their stance.

Anyway, reports from Italy suggesting that a deal has been agreed with Como, down to the player agreeing terms - we may well have to fill the gap wages wise but if we end up paying 1/3rd and Como 2/3s then we will still make a decent saving.

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Re: Fans Forum with Ince and Bowen next Thursday

by Nameless » 12 Aug 2022 10:44

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Although it was said quite specifically that Sarr has signed, which must be interesting legally if the deal hasn’t been ratified. Presumably he’s not being paid and we’ve not got ourselves tied in to a deal for a player who can’t actually play for,us ?


We may well be paying him but if he isn't registered, his wages likely don't count towards the squad budget. Looks like we just need proof that Puscas or someone is on the way out for the registration to happen. Frustrating if it's true that the EFL switched their stance from allowing the signing and then us balancing the books to the other way round but completely understandable and correct really.

Shows we really need to get the last couple of big spenders out asap, if we want to add more strength in depth.

Given we've had several offers on the table for Puscas and haven't accepted them, I find it hard to blame the FL for not trusting us, given our track record.



But then again if you only know a bit of the story it makes it inevitable that you will jump to a conclusion like that.....


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Re: Fans Forum with Ince and Bowen next Thursday

by Royals and Racers » 12 Aug 2022 11:01

Hound Don’t blame them at all, but depends on whether they first indicated we could only to change their mind on it

That sort of what Bowen intimated.

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Re: Fans Forum with Ince and Bowen next Thursday

by Hound » 12 Aug 2022 11:13

I do find it a bit odd that posters who regularly state how badly we are managed financially think we should take the first offer for Puscas and run

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by RoyalBlue » 12 Aug 2022 11:18

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Although it was said quite specifically that Sarr has signed, which must be interesting legally if the deal hasn’t been ratified. Presumably he’s not being paid and we’ve not got ourselves tied in to a deal for a player who can’t actually play for,us ?


We may well be paying him but if he isn't registered, his wages likely don't count towards the squad budget. Looks like we just need proof that Puscas or someone is on the way out for the registration to happen. Frustrating if it's true that the EFL switched their stance from allowing the signing and then us balancing the books to the other way round but completely understandable and correct really.

Shows we really need to get the last couple of big spenders out asap, if we want to add more strength in depth.

Given we've had several offers on the table for Puscas and haven't accepted them, I find it hard to blame the FL for not trusting us, given our track record.


From what I've heard recently, it's Puscas turning down the moves because he doesn't want a drop in wages, rather than the club not accepting offers.

And I remain to be convinced that FFP (supposedly a good thing in principle) is fit for purpose as it is currently being applied. It still seems unfair that if EFL clubs spend beyond their means (in the eyes of the EFL), in a bid to get to the EPL ,they get hammered the way we and others have been, yet clubs relegated from the EPL can spend way beyond their true means (courtesy of parachute payments) in a bid to get back up. In most cases they succeed too.

Where owners have money that they're prepared to spend on their clubs, then maybe that should be permitted to do so. However, that could be conditional upon them paying funds into a fund administered by the EFL to cover the full cost of any player contracts that they commit to, over and above those that the EFL consider are within the club's daily means. That way the club finances would be protected from any such liabilities in the event that an owner walked away.

Alternatively get radical and really level the playing field by operating financial controls and restrictions across the league in the way that MLS do (hopefully with slightly easier to understand rules and procedures!).

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Re: Fans Forum with Ince and Bowen next Thursday

by Snowflake Royal » 12 Aug 2022 11:23

Hound I do find it a bit odd that posters who regularly state how badly we are managed financially think we should take the first offer for Puscas and run

It's not the first offer though is it. Its the 3rd or 4th and we have a signing in limbo dependent on it going through. Moving his wages off being more important than quibbling over a transfer fee.

Our mismanagement has left us with few options and no abiliyy to play hard ball.


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Re: Fans Forum with Ince and Bowen next Thursday

by Nameless » 12 Aug 2022 11:25

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Hound I do find it a bit odd that posters who regularly state how badly we are managed financially think we should take the first offer for Puscas and run

It's not the first offer though is it. Its the 3rd or 4th and we have a signing in limbo dependent on it going through. Moving his wages off being more important than quibbling over a transfer fee.

Our mismanagement has left us with few options and no abiliyy to play hard ball.


You just don’t know what is happening. But easy to simply repeat your ‘it’s all the wicked clubs fault’.

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by Snowflake Royal » 12 Aug 2022 11:27

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Hound I do find it a bit odd that posters who regularly state how badly we are managed financially think we should take the first offer for Puscas and run

It's not the first offer though is it. Its the 3rd or 4th and we have a signing in limbo dependent on it going through. Moving his wages off being more important than quibbling over a transfer fee.

Our mismanagement has left us with few options and no abiliyy to play hard ball.


You just don’t know what is happening. But easy to simply repeat your ‘it’s all the wicked clubs fault’.

But of course you know all the details, because of your secret squirrel contact.

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Re: Fans Forum with Ince and Bowen next Thursday

by paultheroyal » 12 Aug 2022 11:31

Compared to where we were this time last year to now is close to a revelation. There is alot to love and like with Reading FC at the moment. We are so close to being sorted with Puscas gone today and Moore in January. We will move from one of the worst financial situations to one of the best i assume. We have an owner who has made mistakes, but is sticking around who is absolutely loaded.

Players and Admin are connecting with the fans again.

Dog like spirit can see us through this year, never know, we might even surprise a few. Hopefully crowds will increase and events like last night are more frequent.

We are in a far better place.

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Re: Fans Forum with Ince and Bowen next Thursday

by Nameless » 12 Aug 2022 11:32

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Snowflake Royal It's not the first offer though is it. Its the 3rd or 4th and we have a signing in limbo dependent on it going through. Moving his wages off being more important than quibbling over a transfer fee.

Our mismanagement has left us with few options and no abiliyy to play hard ball.


You just don’t know what is happening. But easy to simply repeat your ‘it’s all the wicked clubs fault’.

But of course you know all the details, because of your secret squirrel contact.

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No. Because I and quite a few other people went and listened to Ince and Bowen explaining it.
Which you could have done too, but you chose not to.
So you carry on making stuff up to suit your rather bizarre agenda and ignoring those who point out that just perhaps there are some facts out there that just suggest you might not be as clued up as you like to think.
It’s not actually that hard to find stuff out, but it seems to suit you to sit in glorious exile posting with nothing to back up your wilder theories .


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Re: Fans Forum with Ince and Bowen next Thursday

by Hound » 12 Aug 2022 11:37

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Hound I do find it a bit odd that posters who regularly state how badly we are managed financially think we should take the first offer for Puscas and run

It's not the first offer though is it. Its the 3rd or 4th and we have a signing in limbo dependent on it going through. Moving his wages off being more important than quibbling over a transfer fee.

Our mismanagement has left us with few options and no abiliyy to play hard ball.


Not hardball but there is still 3 weeks of the window to go. Sarr is at the club already and him joining this week or next doesn’t make or break our season

Offer has to be right for the club. I’m far happier seeing us do this than just offloading him the minute someone offers to take him off our hands. Esp as he is a reasonably useful player as well

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Re: Fans Forum with Ince and Bowen next Thursday

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 12 Aug 2022 12:25

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Hound I do find it a bit odd that posters who regularly state how badly we are managed financially think we should take the first offer for Puscas and run

It's not the first offer though is it. Its the 3rd or 4th and we have a signing in limbo dependent on it going through. Moving his wages off being more important than quibbling over a transfer fee.

Our mismanagement has left us with few options and no abiliyy to play hard ball.


Not hardball but there is still 3 weeks of the window to go. Sarr is at the club already and him joining this week or next doesn’t make or break our season

Offer has to be right for the club. I’m far happier seeing us do this than just offloading him the minute someone offers to take him off our hands. Esp as he is a reasonably useful player as well


And he is probably our most sellable asset given the clubs stance on Joao, so getting low-balled for possibly our most "expensive" player as of right now that we would look to sell hardly puts us in a good position for future deals.

In regards to moving his wages off, that seems to be the issue. There is little point in simply taking the money and running if we are still paying 75% of his wages, for example.

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Re: Fans Forum with Ince and Bowen next Thursday

by Nameless » 12 Aug 2022 13:04

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Snowflake Royal It's not the first offer though is it. Its the 3rd or 4th and we have a signing in limbo dependent on it going through. Moving his wages off being more important than quibbling over a transfer fee.

Our mismanagement has left us with few options and no abiliyy to play hard ball.


Not hardball but there is still 3 weeks of the window to go. Sarr is at the club already and him joining this week or next doesn’t make or break our season

Offer has to be right for the club. I’m far happier seeing us do this than just offloading him the minute someone offers to take him off our hands. Esp as he is a reasonably useful player as well


And he is probably our most sellable asset given the clubs stance on Joao, so getting low-balled for possibly our most "expensive" player as of right now that we would look to sell hardly puts us in a good position for future deals.

In regards to moving his wages off, that seems to be the issue. There is little point in simply taking the money and running if we are still paying 75% of his wages, for example.


If we are wanting to pay Sarr 33% of what Puscas is on getting 25% of Puscas’s wages off the wage bill might just get the EFL to sign off the Sarr deal.....

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Re: Fans Forum with Ince and Bowen next Thursday

by Hound » 12 Aug 2022 13:08

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Not hardball but there is still 3 weeks of the window to go. Sarr is at the club already and him joining this week or next doesn’t make or break our season

Offer has to be right for the club. I’m far happier seeing us do this than just offloading him the minute someone offers to take him off our hands. Esp as he is a reasonably useful player as well


And he is probably our most sellable asset given the clubs stance on Joao, so getting low-balled for possibly our most "expensive" player as of right now that we would look to sell hardly puts us in a good position for future deals.

In regards to moving his wages off, that seems to be the issue. There is little point in simply taking the money and running if we are still paying 75% of his wages, for example.


If we are wanting to pay Sarr 33% of what Puscas is on getting 25% of Puscas’s wages off the wage bill might just get the EFL to sign off the Sarr deal.....


But it also affects future deals doesn’t it? Guessing we can get 2 players in if we shift his wages entirely. Sarr + 1

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Re: Fans Forum with Ince and Bowen next Thursday

by Nameless » 12 Aug 2022 13:19

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And he is probably our most sellable asset given the clubs stance on Joao, so getting low-balled for possibly our most "expensive" player as of right now that we would look to sell hardly puts us in a good position for future deals.

In regards to moving his wages off, that seems to be the issue. There is little point in simply taking the money and running if we are still paying 75% of his wages, for example.


If we are wanting to pay Sarr 33% of what Puscas is on getting 25% of Puscas’s wages off the wage bill might just get the EFL to sign off the Sarr deal.....


But it also affects future deals doesn’t it? Guessing we can get 2 players in if we shift his wages entirely. Sarr + 1


Potentially. Was just highlighting that even getting what looks like a suboptimal deal might actually be useful.
Puscas here for another year and not actually playing but taking a salary or Puscas gone and enough head room to bring in a huge lump to anchor the defence ?

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Re: Fans Forum with Ince and Bowen next Thursday

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 12 Aug 2022 13:35

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If we are wanting to pay Sarr 33% of what Puscas is on getting 25% of Puscas’s wages off the wage bill might just get the EFL to sign off the Sarr deal.....


But it also affects future deals doesn’t it? Guessing we can get 2 players in if we shift his wages entirely. Sarr + 1


Potentially. Was just highlighting that even getting what looks like a suboptimal deal might actually be useful.
Puscas here for another year and not actually playing but taking a salary or Puscas gone and enough head room to bring in a huge lump to anchor the defence ?


I'm not suggesting it wouldn't be. I'm not going into the specifics because we don't know, the only thing we can assume at the moment is we've got a deal that isn't right for us for one reason or another.

Personally, I'd rather we move Puscas on for the best deal that we can get, bring Sarr in and see what is left. If the scenario is that we were left with Puscas, we wouldn't be helpless as that still leaves us with another forward in the squad who is useful and we can try and negotiate deals without paying anything towards wages on loan deals. Obviously a lot harder and not ideal mind you.

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Re: Fans Forum with Ince and Bowen next Thursday

by Nameless » 12 Aug 2022 13:53

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But it also affects future deals doesn’t it? Guessing we can get 2 players in if we shift his wages entirely. Sarr + 1


Potentially. Was just highlighting that even getting what looks like a suboptimal deal might actually be useful.
Puscas here for another year and not actually playing but taking a salary or Puscas gone and enough head room to bring in a huge lump to anchor the defence ?


I'm not suggesting it wouldn't be. I'm not going into the specifics because we don't know, the only thing we can assume at the moment is we've got a deal that isn't right for us for one reason or another.

Personally, I'd rather we move Puscas on for the best deal that we can get, bring Sarr in and see what is left. If the scenario is that we were left with Puscas, we wouldn't be helpless as that still leaves us with another forward in the squad who is useful and we can try and negotiate deals without paying anything towards wages on loan deals. Obviously a lot harder and not ideal mind you.


Why assume there is a deal that isn’t right for us ?
We can’t force deals through without willing partners.

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