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Winchester Royal · by **Winchester Royal** » 24 Aug 2006 08:41

We're back to evens.

Incorrect decisions that benefitted us
Viduka's 'offside' equaliser

incorrect decisions that hindered us
Sonko's red card

Shall I keep this a running thing?

Platypuss · by **Platypuss** » 24 Aug 2006 08:44

Not convinced that Sonko's red was really incorrect - if it was a foul then it was a red card.

If no foul, then no penalty.

Do you think a penalty should have been awarded?

Winchester Royal · by **Winchester Royal** » 24 Aug 2006 08:50

From Reports (I wasn't there

) it appears that Sonko stumbled and the man came down with him.

Not a foul, strictly speaking, but if the man come down in the box after contact with a defender, its a penalty.

Did it stop a clear goalscoring opportunity?

HighburyRoyale · by **HighburyRoyale** » 24 Aug 2006 08:58

Winchester Royal From Reports (I wasn't there ) it appears that Sonko stumbled and the man came down with him.

Not a foul, strictly speaking, but if the man come down in the box after contact with a defender, its a penalty.

Did it stop a clear goalscoring opportunity?

It was one of those that was harsh, but fair I think. From the ref's angel, there is no way he could really have done anything else and the assistant at that end was at the other end of the pitch, so no joy there.

It seems harsh that he was sent off, but they're the rules... I think Moore would have scored, but it would have been nice to be able to carry on with 11.

Doyle is quite clearly an absolute legend.

true blue 4 ever · by **true blue 4 ever** » 24 Aug 2006 09:12

Shall I keep this a running thing?

Would be interesting ....so yes

Forty · by **Forty** » 24 Aug 2006 09:14

Decision against us: J lloyd Samuel could very easily have been sent off, therefore he couldn't've been subbed for Whittaker, who produced that magic cross.

UTDSTEVE · by **UTDSTEVE** » 24 Aug 2006 09:22

Forty Decision against us: J lloyd Samuel could very easily have been sent off, therefore he couldn't've been subbed for Whittaker, who produced that magic cross.

Didn't Villla have a perfectly good goal disallowed towards the end of the game??

papereyes · by **papereyes** » 24 Aug 2006 09:33

no - twice.

Angel offside for two well-worked (is that what you meant by good?) goals - good header for the first and a good knock down for the second. But both offside.

As for the penalty - it was a foul. A foul need not be deliberate. He clattered the player as he fell - but there was no intent. Not quite sure what the rules are there, mind. I would say, probably strictly a red.

igoe agogo · by **igoe agogo** » 24 Aug 2006 09:38

Winchester Royal We're back to evens.

Incorrect decisions that benefitted us
Viduka's 'offside' equaliser

incorrect decisions that hindered us
Sonko's red card

Shall I keep this a running thing?

Yes but maybe use different colours for for/against.

UTDSTEVE · by **UTDSTEVE** » 24 Aug 2006 09:40

papereyes no - twice.

Angel offside for two well-worked (is that what you meant by good?) goals - good header for the first and a good knock down for the second. But both offside.

As for the penalty - it was a foul. A foul need not be deliberate. He clattered the player as he fell - but there was no intent. Not quite sure what the rules are there, mind. I would say, probably strictly a red.

I saw the first, i wasn't refering to that as it was clearly offside. I never saw the second but i work with a Villa fan who said the second wasn't offside and apparently replays confirm it.

papereyes · by **papereyes** » 24 Aug 2006 09:41

I thought the direct header, the first, was the dubious one. The lay off was about 2 yards offside - I could see that. Angel spends most of his time offside, you would have thought he'd have learned.

The Surgeon of Crowthorne · by **The Surgeon of Crowthorne** » 24 Aug 2006 09:43

MOTD showed a late run through by Agbonlahor which was called offside but wasn't. He did complete his run & put the ball in the net but everyone else had stopped because of the flag.

Big Ern · by **Big Ern** » 24 Aug 2006 09:44

Winchester Royal We're back to evens.

Incorrect decisions that benefitted us
Viduka's 'offside' equaliser

incorrect decisions that hindered us
Sonko's red card

Shall I keep this a running thing?

The ref had no choice but to send Sonko off. If somthing similar had happened when Doyle was through on goal we would all be adament it was a sending off. It wasn't intential, but we are being too subjective if we think it was an unfair decision. If any decision went against us last night it was the ref not sending JL Samuel off for a terrible foul on Doyle when he had already been booked.

UTDSTEVE · by **UTDSTEVE** » 24 Aug 2006 09:45

The Surgeon of Crowthorne MOTD showed a late run through by Agbonlahor which was called offside but wasn't. He did complete his run & put the ball in the net but everyone else had stopped because of the flag.

Ah right, thats probably the one he's refering to then. He never pointed out that everyone else had stopped!! funny that

papereyes · by **papereyes** » 24 Aug 2006 09:46

MOTD showed a late run through by Agbonlahor which was called offside but wasn't. He did complete his run & put the ball in the net but everyone else had stopped because of the flag.

Not seen the replays - stuck on a slow train to Oxford. Thought the flag went up for the header rather than the run from behind Shorey.

papereyes · by **papereyes** » 24 Aug 2006 09:51

Sorry, UTDSTEVE - there was a third one wasn't there? Agbonlahor at the end.

That was up the other end and I can honestly say I have no idea.

The Surgeon of Crowthorne · by **The Surgeon of Crowthorne** » 24 Aug 2006 09:52

papereyes Sorry, UTDSTEVE - there was a third one wasn't there? Agbonlahor at the end.

That was up the other end and I can honestly say I have no idea.

That's the one I was referring to - he was onside & had oceans of space. Whilst no one followed him because they saw the flag, he had so much room he wouldn't have been caught anyway.

papereyes · by **papereyes** » 24 Aug 2006 09:56

he looked about | <-- that big from where I was sat.

Wax Jacket · by **Wax Jacket** » 24 Aug 2006 09:58

The Surgeon of Crowthorne
papereyes Sorry, UTDSTEVE - there was a third one wasn't there? Agbonlahor at the end.

That was up the other end and I can honestly say I have no idea.
That's the one I was referring to - he was onside & had oceans of space. Whilst no one followed him because they saw the flag, he had so much room he wouldn't have been caught anyway.

he wasn't onside! the MOTD camera was at an angle and so showed him to be level. FWIW I think Sonko tugged Moore back before stumbling over.

TommyF · by **TommyF** » 24 Aug 2006 10:03

Wax Jacket
The Surgeon of Crowthorne
papereyes Sorry, UTDSTEVE - there was a third one wasn't there? Agbonlahor at the end.

That was up the other end and I can honestly say I have no idea.
That's the one I was referring to - he was onside & had oceans of space. Whilst no one followed him because they saw the flag, he had so much room he wouldn't have been caught anyway.

he wasn't onside! the MOTD camera was at an angle and so showed him to be level. FWIW I think Sonko tugged Moore back before stumbling over.

He possibly did, but outside the area. If he sent him off for that then it should not have been a penalty

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