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Re: Royal Elm Park

by Nameless » 08 Jan 2016 19:12

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Nameless But work did not go ahead....


That was the club's choice though, and due to relegation first and foremost.


It was due to a combination of factors, of which relegation was obviously one. The project was in danger well before the season end and stuff like the Wokingham objections and IIRC a significant cost increase due to a sharp rise in steel prices just meant it was a bad time.

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Re: Royal Elm Park

by Platypuss » 08 Jan 2016 19:17

WBC objections had nothing to do with the final build/no build decision.
Their objections were received within the normal planning process timescale and discounted by the committee.
PP was granted. After that it was totally in the hands of RFC as to when and whether they went forward.

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Re: Royal Elm Park

by Nameless » 08 Jan 2016 20:13

We may have different perspectives and sources on this one, but it's history and not really worth falling out over.
I know within the club there was frustration that Wokingham appeared to be using the process to make life difficult, which obviously can be done within timescales and using due process.

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Re: Royal Elm Park

by multisync1830 » 03 Feb 2016 18:56

Things are starting to move with this and the training ground planning applications.

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Re: Royal Elm Park

by Nameless » 03 Feb 2016 21:09

The training ground planning was granted ages ago wasn't it ?
REP planning was due to be delayed until March so seems right if stuff is starting to become public. Expect the revised plans to appear before too long.


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Re: Royal Elm Park

by multisync1830 » 03 Feb 2016 22:16

Nameless The training ground planning was granted ages ago wasn't it ?
REP planning was due to be delayed until March so seems right if stuff is starting to become public. Expect the revised plans to appear before too long.


Planning has gone in for REP from the text I received.

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Re: Royal Elm Park

by ZacNaloen » 04 Feb 2016 14:49

http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/readin ... d-10837489

Are you secretly Charles Watts or do the club "sources" have a mailing list? :lol:

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Re: Royal Elm Park

by paultheroyal » 04 Feb 2016 15:53

So basically I was right again and they are following the Telford model.

Good shout.

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Re: Royal Elm Park

by Ian Royal » 04 Feb 2016 19:36

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Nameless Was speaking to someone last week who had the planning permission wouldn't go in until later this year. Presumbly they've been factoring in stuff from the consultation before submitting it for approval.
Wouldn't have thought it would take long for the council to get back to them as I believe the council have been involved from the start so what goes in should be pretty much pre approved.
However expect Wokingham Council to make it difficult as they pretty much scuppered the stadium expansion with last minute spurious objections which tipped it into being impossible rather than difficult.


What exactly were their objections, and why do they have a say? It's not exactly going to ruin the mighty Wokingham's skyline. They're a safe distance away so traffic shouldn't be a factor either!

Interesting to hear that even people at the club are unconvinced by the Thai's intentions for the club. Not forgetting how we heard so much about them saving us at the eleventh hour, but the debt still remains. They didn't actually pay a penny off, just moved it. The may have paid out in transfers and wages for this season, or that could plausibly be loans again. Common enough in football. The debt just grows bigger. But lets all get excited by losing the car park and having a housing estate and ice rink built on the clubs land, because after all that show real ambition for the football club, right!

Surely no one was crazy enough to think anyone would just pay off our debts without any expectation of ever seeing those tens of millions again?! Of course the debt's just moved. The only alternatives were
a) pay it and never see the money ever again
b) cover the costs and make the club owe you the money
c) go into administration, lose 10 points, and agree a settlement for part of the debt.

No one in their right mind will do a), we were desperate not to have c) happen.


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Re: Royal Elm Park

by STAR Liaison » 09 Feb 2016 14:32

STAR was on BBC Radio Berks last night talking about REP. Berks felt it was news that the planning application had been submitted (6 days earlier) but as far as we can tell there is no news.

When the planning application reaches the public domain (in the next 3 -21 days) we will be able to see if and how it differs from the proposals put forward in the public consultation in October 2015 and make our views known.

STAR sent the club a detailed report based on feedback we had from our members and from what we read on HNA about those proposals. The main negative aspect was the loss of a large proportion of parking spaces within walking distance of the stadium which was pointed out in the interview broadcast last night.

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Re: Royal Elm Park

by AthleticoSpizz » 09 Feb 2016 14:56

Whilst sympathising with those affected who rely on their cars to attend games, one has to ask, just how many parking spaces were available in and around Elm Park?
Admittedly, Elm Park was a bit more walkable for those in and around the town.

Already some of the alternative parking haunts (Morrisons etc) have recently brought in parking restrictions, so things will worsen even further as we progress.

The proposed "multi-storey" sounds like a bundle of laughs if entry and egress elsewhere are anything to go by.

Seems like it's all going to be down to you Green Park to take up the slack and come up with something workable with the club.

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Re: Royal Elm Park

by Nameless » 09 Feb 2016 15:27

In the old days Green Park were 100% anti any football parking. Since they are no longer owned by the Pru I get the impression there is more willingness to cooperate. Seems daft to have hundreds of car parking spaces not used at weekends there ! Slight issue would be the restricted access roads into the park.
if they can genuinely get a decent bus service operating that would be good, and probably quicker for everyone. Whether it's possible, and whether people will give up their basic human right of driving everywhere in their private vehicle and having a parking space waiting for them is another matter. The onus is on the club to prove they can provide a workable solution.

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Re: Royal Elm Park

by bluerinse » 09 Feb 2016 15:31

Have heard that the Planning Dept. of the Council think that the scheme is too big for the site. The club will asked to go back to the drawing board and not make the housing so dense.


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Re: Royal Elm Park

by Nameless » 09 Feb 2016 15:55

That would be interesting, as the council have been involved in the scheme from it's early stages and obviously there has been the big consultation exercise. You'd think they would have advised on acceptable densities a long time ago.

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Re: Royal Elm Park

by Silver Fox » 09 Feb 2016 16:07

Nameless if they can genuinely get a decent bus service operating that would be good,


They have one now :|

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Re: Royal Elm Park

by West Stand Man » 09 Feb 2016 16:53

Nameless In the old days Green Park were 100% anti any football parking. Since they are no longer owned by the Pru I get the impression there is more willingness to cooperate. Seems daft to have hundreds of car parking spaces not used at weekends there ! Slight issue would be the restricted access roads into the park.
if they can genuinely get a decent bus service operating that would be good, and probably quicker for everyone. Whether it's possible, and whether people will give up their basic human right of driving everywhere in their private vehicle and having a parking space waiting for them is another matter. The onus is on the club to prove they can provide a workable solution.


It would be really helpful if the Green Park site had an access road out to the West so that we didn't have the whole world trying to squeeze out of one exit road and then merging with the other traffic on the A33 Relief road.

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Re: Royal Elm Park

by Nameless » 09 Feb 2016 22:57

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Nameless if they can genuinely get a decent bus service operating that would be good,


They have one now :|


Don't think the one now would cope with double the number of people needing to use it.....

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Re: Royal Elm Park

by multisync1830 » 10 Feb 2016 08:35

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Nameless In the old days Green Park were 100% anti any football parking. Since they are no longer owned by the Pru I get the impression there is more willingness to cooperate. Seems daft to have hundreds of car parking spaces not used at weekends there ! Slight issue would be the restricted access roads into the park.
if they can genuinely get a decent bus service operating that would be good, and probably quicker for everyone. Whether it's possible, and whether people will give up their basic human right of driving everywhere in their private vehicle and having a parking space waiting for them is another matter. The onus is on the club to prove they can provide a workable solution.


It would be really helpful if the Green Park site had an access road out to the West so that we didn't have the whole world trying to squeeze out of one exit road and then merging with the other traffic on the A33 Relief road.


GP are all about maintaining the supposed exclusivity of the site to attract high end clients. They don't want it to be a rat run or a massive carpark so it's kept deliberately as a cul de sac.. I believe they will oppose any assistance which would affect their vision with little or no benefit to them directly. Oxford Properties-or all those who I have had the misfortune to deal with- are a bunch of pnunts btw.

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Re: Royal Elm Park

by Nameless » 10 Feb 2016 10:07

I think you're views may have been valid for the Pru, but They aren't correct for the current owners.
They aren't going to just open the park up for all and sundry but they are certainly much keener to work with the club. REP. Would give a lot of benefits to Green Park remember....

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Re: Royal Elm Park

by Silver Fox » 10 Feb 2016 11:02

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Nameless if they can genuinely get a decent bus service operating that would be good,


They have one now :|


Don't think the one now would cope with double the number of people needing to use it.....


I'd imagine they'd increase the number of buses?

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