England - the future....

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Re: England - the future....

by Snowflake Royal » 16 Oct 2024 23:13

Well I'm certainly looking forward to him being the second coming as soon as he wins a couple of games and.l then being a shit foreign yes man after the first disappointing result.

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Re: England - the future....

by LUX » 17 Oct 2024 08:03

Confession…. My first reaction was “ surely there must be a suitable Englishman available”……., but reading Farage/ the Express/ Mail’s offensive reaction I have performed a complete U turn. Not proud tbh.

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by Snowflake Royal » 17 Oct 2024 08:16

LUX Confession…. My first reaction was “ surely there must be a suitable Englishman available”……., but reading Farage/ the Express/ Mail’s offensive reaction I have performed a complete U turn. Not proud tbh.

I think it's reasonable to want someone English to manage England, it is the national side after all. That, of course, doesn’t mean one needs to have a xenophobic reaction to someone of another nationality being appointed.

It's a sad sign of how far our nation has regressed, that something seen as completely normal and accepted pushing towards 20 years ago with the likes of Ericsson and Capello now prompts xenophobic diatribes. Why anyone would want to take England back to 70s attitudes is beyond me, but that's where we seem to be unfortunately. And heading ever on back to the stone age.

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Re: England - the future....

by Sutekh » 17 Oct 2024 11:12

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LUX Confession…. My first reaction was “ surely there must be a suitable Englishman available”……., but reading Farage/ the Express/ Mail’s offensive reaction I have performed a complete U turn. Not proud tbh.

I think it's reasonable to want someone English to manage England, it is the national side after all. That, of course, doesn’t mean one needs to have a xenophobic reaction to someone of another nationality being appointed.

It's a sad sign of how far our nation has regressed, that something seen as completely normal and accepted pushing towards 20 years ago with the likes of Ericsson and Capello now prompts xenophobic diatribes. Why anyone would want to take England back to 70s attitudes is beyond me, but that's where we seem to be unfortunately. And heading ever on back to the stone age.


Doesn't help the "buy in" that Capello and Ericsson were overall failures though. Personally would prefer an English/British manager but there aren't any out there that are really up to the job (and haven't been for ages but then that's a real issue with leading PL clubs chasing £££££ and not investing in the time managers from these shores need to develop, there must be great talent out there somewhere, it wouldn't suddenly just stop). At the end of the day Thomas is the best England could currently get, so who cares where he comes from?

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by Snowflake Royal » 17 Oct 2024 12:03

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LUX Confession…. My first reaction was “ surely there must be a suitable Englishman available”……., but reading Farage/ the Express/ Mail’s offensive reaction I have performed a complete U turn. Not proud tbh.

I think it's reasonable to want someone English to manage England, it is the national side after all. That, of course, doesn’t mean one needs to have a xenophobic reaction to someone of another nationality being appointed.

It's a sad sign of how far our nation has regressed, that something seen as completely normal and accepted pushing towards 20 years ago with the likes of Ericsson and Capello now prompts xenophobic diatribes. Why anyone would want to take England back to 70s attitudes is beyond me, but that's where we seem to be unfortunately. And heading ever on back to the stone age.


Doesn't help the "buy in" that Capello and Ericsson were overall failures though. Personally would prefer an English/British manager but there aren't any out there that are really up to the job (and haven't been for ages but then that's a real issue with leading PL clubs chasing £££££ and not investing in the time managers from these shores need to develop, there must be great talent out there somewhere, it wouldn't suddenly just stop). At the end of the day Thomas is the best England could currently get, so who cares where he comes from?

Southgate is arguably our most successful manager, no trophy but multiple finals, certainly 2nd best, and yet his club record was nothing to cry home about.

Just because Howe and co haven't won the Premier League with moneybags FC doesn't mean they aren't up to the job.

Ericsson didn't really do a bad job. Better than Taylor, Hodgson et al.


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Re: England - the future....

by stealthpapes » 17 Oct 2024 15:03

I don't know how the stats have changed - maybe a homework exercise - but when I was doing my FA coaching badges, Germany had approximately ten times the number of qualified coaches at every level.

Culture and process beats individuals every single time.

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Re: England - the future....

by BRO_BOT » 17 Oct 2024 19:40

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LUX Confession…. My first reaction was “ surely there must be a suitable Englishman available”……., but reading Farage/ the Express/ Mail’s offensive reaction I have performed a complete U turn. Not proud tbh.


I think it's reasonable to want someone English to manage England, it is the national side after all. That, of course, doesn’t mean one needs to have a xenophobic reaction to someone of another nationality being appointed.


exactly...

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Re: England - the future....

by Sanguine » 07 Nov 2024 15:13

With the addition of Harwood-Bellis and Jones, there are eight of Carsley's U21 European champions in the latest England squad - albeit I think maybe Gomes, Palmer, Colwill and Jones will be the one that Tuchel keeps on.

Slough's Lewis Hall get his first call-up too.

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Re: England - the future....

by Sanguine » 14 Nov 2024 08:56

With the news that Ollie Watkins will start ahead of Kane in a must-win Nations League game tonight, I for one can't wait for Lee Carsley and his 'experiments' to fcuk off, tbh.


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by Sutekh » 14 Nov 2024 09:21

Sanguine With the news that Ollie Watkins will start ahead of Kane in a must-win Nations League game tonight, I for one can't wait for Lee Carsley and his 'experiments' to fcuk off, tbh.


The FA really screwed all this up, they knew Southgate would be likely to leave in the summer but instead of lining Tuchel up to immediately step in they went for this pointless experiment. But then that’s what FA’s do.

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Re: England - the future....

by Sanguine » 14 Nov 2024 09:42

I mean, by all means bring Carsley in for the immediate future, not least since we had Nations League games on the schedule. But as soon as Tuchel was agreed he should have started.

Injuries are what they are - like Trent's - but I don't think the squad would have seen nine players drop out if this was Tuchel's first game in charge. However well thought of Carsley is in the England setup, I'm not sure the players have bought in.

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by South Coast Royal » 14 Nov 2024 15:04

Sanguine With the news that Ollie Watkins will start ahead of Kane in a must-win Nations League game tonight, I for one can't wait for Lee Carsley and his 'experiments' to fcuk off, tbh.


In fairness, they were saying that it might be because of Kane's fitness rather than an experiment.

I know that progression from the U21s is something to be encouraged (not for management though) but I feel that Carsley has gone a bit full-on with the idea when there are others who have been waiting in the wings and might be better options for a game that matters when it comes to seeding for the big tournaments.

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Re: England - the future....

by LUX » 14 Nov 2024 21:08

England all over Greece. But trying to walk it in. Hope it doesn’t cost us.

Edit, nearly just did, great save.


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Re: England - the future....

by LUX » 14 Nov 2024 21:10

Have never heard of more than half of that squad.

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Re: England - the future....

by LUX » 14 Nov 2024 21:11

Morgan Rogers?

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Re: England - the future....

by LUX » 14 Nov 2024 21:40

Comfortable in the end, some lovely goals/ forward play.

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Re: England - the future....

by Carnabyswhiskers » 14 Nov 2024 23:37

You've been out of the country too long, Lux. Rogers is a cracking player. This group + Tuchel could be a force at the World Cup (pending qualification of course). All we have lacked in recent tournaments is a coach able to spot issues during a game and make tactical/personnel changes to influence the game. We now have one. Trouble is, he might have fallen out with everyone before we even kick off.

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Re: England - the future....

by Sutekh » 15 Nov 2024 06:56

Sublime goal for Jones, he’s really got something about him, still a way to go though.

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Re: England - the future....

by Royal Rother » 15 Nov 2024 07:47

Carnabyswhiskers You've been out of the country too long, Lux. Rogers is a cracking player. This group + Tuchel could be a force at the World Cup (pending qualification of course). All we have lacked in recent tournaments is a coach able to spot issues during a game and make tactical/personnel changes to influence the game. We now have one. Trouble is, he might have fallen out with everyone before we even kick off.


Too much sense for your 4th post.

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Re: England - the future....

by LUX » 15 Nov 2024 09:22

Ahhhh, you’d probably know him in real life. Well, from around 45 years ago.

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