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Re: Euro 2020

by AthleticoSpizz » 11 Jul 2021 23:38

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Not going to slag him off disrespectfully but timescales / history are irrelevant I think.

We had a good enough squad (and 1st half) to win that, but weak / over-cautious management cost us, as it did against Croatia.

You have to counter changes that the opposition make and he doesn’t seem to do that.

Love him but I just don’t think he is astute / brave enough to win major tournaments, whereas the players at his disposal probably are and will be for the next 8 years.


You want to sack the most successful manager in England’s history bar Sir Alf. Wow.


I want us to win things, that’s all, and I think we should have won this.

Maybe have him for the group stages then pass the baton to someone else for the knockout stages! :lol:
who?

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Re: Euro 2020

by Zip » 11 Jul 2021 23:46

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Not going to slag him off disrespectfully but timescales / history are irrelevant I think.

We had a good enough squad (and 1st half) to win that, but weak / over-cautious management cost us, as it did against Croatia.

You have to counter changes that the opposition make and he doesn’t seem to do that.

Love him but I just don’t think he is astute / brave enough to win major tournaments, whereas the players at his disposal probably are and will be for the next 8 years.


You want to sack the most successful manager in England’s history bar Sir Alf. Wow.


I want us to win things, that’s all, and I think we should have won this.

Maybe have him for the group stages then pass the baton to someone else for the knockout stages! :lol:



I’m not sure about England winning it. Italy are technically better. Besides he has improved on the last World Cup and got this team to within a whisker at these Euros. He is going in the right direction. He has earnt the right to manage the team in the WC Finals. Be careful what you wish for.
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Re: Euro 2020

by Royal Rother » 11 Jul 2021 23:47

WestYorksRoyal Anybody suggesting that Southgate needs replacing has lost the right to have an opinion on anything. Ever. How much of a oxf*rd imbecile must you be?


He was poor tonight. He was poor v Croatia. The evidence is building that he’s not got that extra bit you need to convert the opportunities.

There’s always a right time to make a change, now could be it.

But it won’t happen of course and people who are okay with losing won’t even countenance a discussion on the subject, which is fine.

Maybe he will come out himself and say “I’ve taken this team as far as I can”.

I for one think he probably has.

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Re: Euro 2020

by Royal Rother » 11 Jul 2021 23:48

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You want to sack the most successful manager in England’s history bar Sir Alf. Wow.


I want us to win things, that’s all, and I think we should have won this.

Maybe have him for the group stages then pass the baton to someone else for the knockout stages! :lol:
who?


Mourinho? :lol:

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Re: Euro 2020

by AthleticoSpizz » 11 Jul 2021 23:50

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I want us to win things, that’s all, and I think we should have won this.

Maybe have him for the group stages then pass the baton to someone else for the knockout stages! :lol:
who?


Mourinho? :lol:
lol, I guess


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Re: Euro 2020

by Zip » 11 Jul 2021 23:50

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WestYorksRoyal Anybody suggesting that Southgate needs replacing has lost the right to have an opinion on anything. Ever. How much of a oxf*rd imbecile must you be?


He was poor tonight. He was poor v Croatia. The evidence is building that he’s not got that extra bit you need to convert the opportunities.

There’s always a right time to make a change, now could be it.

But it won’t happen of course and people who are okay with losing won’t even countenance a discussion on the subject, which is fine.

Maybe he will come out himself and say “I’ve taken this team as far as I can”.

I for one think he probably has.



Why do you think England should have beaten technically the better side tonight?

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Re: Euro 2020

by AthleticoSpizz » 11 Jul 2021 23:51

...and with a superior recent result history

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Re: Euro 2020

by Zip » 11 Jul 2021 23:54

Mancini has done a brilliant job. They really are a cracking side. Chiesa and Spinnazola re great to watch.

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Re: Euro 2020

by NathStPaul » 11 Jul 2021 23:57

Bizarre decision by UEFA to give Donnarumma the player of the tournament award.


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Re: Euro 2020

by Royal Rother » 11 Jul 2021 23:59

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WestYorksRoyal Anybody suggesting that Southgate needs replacing has lost the right to have an opinion on anything. Ever. How much of a oxf*rd imbecile must you be?


He was poor tonight. He was poor v Croatia. The evidence is building that he’s not got that extra bit you need to convert the opportunities.

There’s always a right time to make a change, now could be it.

But it won’t happen of course and people who are okay with losing won’t even countenance a discussion on the subject, which is fine.

Maybe he will come out himself and say “I’ve taken this team as far as I can”.

I for one think he probably has.



Why do you think England should have beaten technically the better side tonight?


I feel we were the better team in the 1st half - Mancini changed things and we didn’t react.

I know Rice tends to cramp up late on but he was our best player tonight. I’d have liked to see him stay on until he DID cramp up but it’s like Southgate has a formula in his mind and sticks to it. We needed something different to change the way the game was going - Henderson for Rice was never going to change anything and in fact Henderson was poor, so that substitution took us backwards.

Grealish came on too late. Fresh legs and fresh thinking after 60 mins would have been a positive move.

But hey, these are just my unemotional assessments of what just happened.

Agree or disagree, no worries.

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Re: Euro 2020

by Zip » 12 Jul 2021 00:03

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He was poor tonight. He was poor v Croatia. The evidence is building that he’s not got that extra bit you need to convert the opportunities.

There’s always a right time to make a change, now could be it.

But it won’t happen of course and people who are okay with losing won’t even countenance a discussion on the subject, which is fine.

Maybe he will come out himself and say “I’ve taken this team as far as I can”.

I for one think he probably has.



Why do you think England should have beaten technically the better side tonight?


I feel we were the better team in the 1st half - Mancini changed things and we didn’t react.

I know Rice tends to cramp up late on but he was our best player tonight. I’d have liked to see him stay on until he DID cramp up but it’s like Southgate has a formula in his mind and sticks to it. We needed something different to change the way the game was going - Henderson for Rice was never going to change anything and in fact Henderson was poor, so that substitution took us backwards.

Grealish came on too late. Fresh legs and fresh thinking after 60 mins would have been a positive move.

But hey, these are just my unemotional assessments of what just happened.

Agree or disagree, no worries.


Agree about Rice and the lack of subs. Mancini got the better of Southgate in the end but you want Southgate sacked on the back of losing a penalty shoot out. That seems daft to me. Anyway we can agree to disagree on this one. Sleep well. Time for bed.

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Re: Euro 2020

by AthleticoSpizz » 12 Jul 2021 00:06

Penalty shoot-outs?

Might as well be toss-of-a-coin tbf

(absolutely no reflection of the game(s) that have preceded it....it’s tough kid, but it’s life)

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Re: Euro 2020

by Royal Rother » 12 Jul 2021 00:11

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Why do you think England should have beaten technically the better side tonight?


I feel we were the better team in the 1st half - Mancini changed things and we didn’t react.

I know Rice tends to cramp up late on but he was our best player tonight. I’d have liked to see him stay on until he DID cramp up but it’s like Southgate has a formula in his mind and sticks to it. We needed something different to change the way the game was going - Henderson for Rice was never going to change anything and in fact Henderson was poor, so that substitution took us backwards.

Grealish came on too late. Fresh legs and fresh thinking after 60 mins would have been a positive move.

But hey, these are just my unemotional assessments of what just happened.

Agree or disagree, no worries.


Agree about Rice and the lack of subs. Mancini got the better of Southgate in the end but you want Southgate sacked on the back of losing a penalty shoot out. That seems daft to me. Anyway we can agree to disagree on this one. Sleep well. Time for bed.


Yep, agreed on the last point!

I know it’s what I’m suggesting but it sounds too harsh - “sack Southgate”. No, couldn’t do that in reality, but he really needs to change something in his own approach. I hope he can do that. If he can’t, then we will carry on getting close but not win anything, and that’s just not good enough for me, not with the talent at his disposal. :cry:

Oh well, tomorrow’s another day.


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Re: Euro 2020

by fartdad » 12 Jul 2021 00:18

sven took england to 3 quarter finals in a row and got the sack , seems gareth peaked now and it's pretty obvious he isn't able to manage in a final. dreadful substitutions

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Re: Euro 2020

by Brogue » 12 Jul 2021 00:22

:| @ people piling on Southgate and rr even calling for him to be sacked. Fcuking idiots the lot of you. I mean I expect this shit on Twitter I don’t expect to read that sort of shit on here. Queue the ‘you must be new here’ meme. :|

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Re: Euro 2020

by Scutterbucketz » 12 Jul 2021 00:27

I don’t see the value in finishing with a young side, you don’t think are good enough to do the business.

And then expecting those poor saps to take penalties.

The reverse would have made more sense. Much more.

Play with no fear and then penalties with experience.

Ah well. That old familiar sting.

Thank god I’m a a Reading fan

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Re: Euro 2020

by BR0B0T » 12 Jul 2021 01:23

NathStPaul Bizarre decision by UEFA to give Donnarumma the player of the tournament award.


'greed!

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Re: Euro 2020

by BR0B0T » 12 Jul 2021 01:32

Scutterbucketz I don’t see the value in finishing with a young side, you don’t think are good enough to do the business.

And then expecting those poor saps to take penalties.

The reverse would have made more sense. Much more.

Play with no fear and then penalties with experience.

Ah well. That old familiar sting.

Thank god I’m a a Reading fan


Who were the experienced penalty takers in the squad?

Rashford used to take them at United and has been in the Utd first team for about 5 years

Sancho has played high-level CL with BD (140 appearances, 50 goals)

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Re: Euro 2020

by windermereROYAL » 12 Jul 2021 01:40

I know it`s over now, but how pissed off I was with the camera angle for the pen shoot outs. it almost takes away the excitement of the moment.

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Re: Euro 2020

by Sanguine » 12 Jul 2021 09:01

I thought Federico Chiesa was frighteningly good.

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