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Re: Euro 2020

by Sanguine » 12 Jul 2021 16:45

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Unfortunately we just didn't exploit the Italian centrebacks lack of pace and got trapped in our half..



Such an over simplification that everyone has trotted out about the back line of Italy, the two centre back in Chiellini and Bonucci have been two of the best cb's around for years and have never had pace so to suggest that we should just "exploit" this when so many others other the years have tried and failed quite simply shows why we are fans and not professional managers.



Yes and no. Saka's spin, where Chiellini pulled him back, was the kind of play we needed to see more of. Sharp passing out of defence and attacking at pace. Of course those two defenders and wily and experienced and used to countering that, but that doesn't mean it was the wrong approach. In fact many of our best moments came where Italian defenders got too close and we turned and moved into space.

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Re: Euro 2020

by Royal Rother » 12 Jul 2021 16:53

Gary Lineker insisted that England should have been braver in trying to win in normal time.

“I think going forward England have to find a way of being more attack minded,” he wrote.

“Braver in possession and throwing more people forward.

“We have the forward talent to scare teams, at present we seem scared ourselves to release that talent.”

Spot on, but the word “we” should be replaced by “he”.

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Re: Euro 2020

by Zip » 12 Jul 2021 17:00

Royal Rother Gary Lineker insisted that England should have been braver in trying to win in normal time.

“I think going forward England have to find a way of being more attack minded,” he wrote.

“Braver in possession and throwing more people forward.

“We have the forward talent to scare teams, at present we seem scared ourselves to release that talent.”

Spot on, but the word “we” should be replaced by “he”.


He was cautious but it worked right the way through the tournament. Just felt in the first half last night they should have gone for it as the Italians were rattled. Lessons to be learnt.

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Re: Euro 2020

by Ascotexgunner » 12 Jul 2021 17:28

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Snowflake Royal Whilst I hate the stutter penalty, Rashford's was almost perfection. He waited and waited for their keeper and then went the other way. He just dragged it slightly. Possibly a product of barely touching the ball.

Sancho's was just plain poor. He tried the stutter, got out waited by the keeper and hit it flustered.

Saka, who has looked out of his depth since Germany after excelling in the group, had the right idea, but execution terrible. No excuses on late sub there, he'd been on long enough. But probably shouldn't have been on the list.

We (the team and Southgate) made some errors. We failed to counter the Italian change and fell deeper and deeper. And then when we did win the ball, the excellent Rice made poor decisions. Rather than turning back and retaining possession to kill the Italian momentum, he several times drove at multiple Italians and tried to thread the eye of a needle to force a goal.

In extra time, we really forced our way back in, but once again Kane looked heavy and tired. And we simply couldn't get Sterling on the ball. Yes, Grealish should have come on sooner. Sancho probably should have come on instead of Saka.

Pretty amazing performance to take the Italians to the 5th penalty with a number of mistakes against the best team in the tournament.

Unfortunately we just didn't exploit the Italian centrebacks lack of pace and got trapped in our half.

A couple of minor, but costly, errors from the manager and players in an otherwise near flawless tournament.

Shame I won't be watching the next World Cup thanks to corruption and human rights abuses.

Also, a word on England fans. The last 5 years has really brought a resurgence in the knuckledragging scum. Absolute disgrace. Should be fined into oblivion.


So it’s December 2022. England are in the World Cup Final. Are you seriously suggesting you are not watching the game?

I didn't go to a single League or Cup match for Reading after McDermott was sacked second time despite having had a season ticket for a couple years before and seeing at least one game a season since 94/95. And it being our best season for years

We'll see, but I don't think it will be that hard.


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Re: Euro 2020

by Snowflake Royal » 12 Jul 2021 18:48

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Royal Rother Gary Lineker insisted that England should have been braver in trying to win in normal time.

“I think going forward England have to find a way of being more attack minded,” he wrote.

“Braver in possession and throwing more people forward.

“We have the forward talent to scare teams, at present we seem scared ourselves to release that talent.”

Spot on, but the word “we” should be replaced by “he”.


He was cautious but it worked right the way through the tournament. Just felt in the first half last night they should have gone for it as the Italians were rattled. Lessons to be learnt.

I'm sure it wasn't Gareth's game plan to sit around our 18 yard box and waste every scrap of possession we had. He let the players down a bit by not adapting and changing it to counter Italy's growing confidence. The team let him down by retreating into their shell and panicking every time they got the ball.

The lack of experience on the pitch told. The players could have sorted out the problem themselves and tried to play more to the original strategy. But they didn't. And Southgate could have done more to force that fix on the pitch with subs, but he didn't.

Trying to blame Southgate as the cause of the problem, is just trying to find a scapegoat. We know what Rother's position has been from the start. Sterling, Southgate and the style hasn't been good enough for him at any point. So I think we can just dismiss his criticisms of someone disgruntled finally able to find fault to push their transparent agenda


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Re: Euro 2020

by Rfc_suzannah » 12 Jul 2021 19:22

Wow, what a night, Absolutely gutted by the result, but certainly an experience I won't forget.

There was a lot of people on the same underground train as me to Wembley that didn't have tickets and were going to "chance" getting in.
Arrived at the stadium at about 17.30, Wembley way was an absolute nightmare to even get down. Upon arrival at the stadium, got held outside the turnstiles as it was in lockdown and they were trying to get fans with fake tickets out. Got in about 18.00. It very quickly became clear that there was way more than the maximum allowed capacity as fans were arguing over seats. Ended up standing the whole game, thankfully my row wasn't oversubscribed. The stairs were lined with fans, bloke a couple rows in front was swigging out of a litre bottle of Jack Daniels, fans behind all had cans of fosters, and the stewards did absolutely nothing. After the game a 19 year old lad was bragging to me that he'd got in, evaded the stewards who tried to throw him out, and watched the whole game. He said he also did it at the game against Scotland.

I've never felt unsafe at a match before, but it is worrying that so many managed to get in, luckily it didn't turn nasty around me, but I don't think it would have taken a lot. A chav in front of me stood on the chair just as England were lining up a free kick in front of us, so I pushed him off, think if I was a bloke, I would have got punched!!

It's embarrasing to be associated with England fans, and I am not sure I want to go to another game in a hurry. Mini Wiz wants to go to an England game so I'll take her to see the Lionesses.

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Re: Euro 2020

by BR0B0T » 12 Jul 2021 19:34

England fans are mainly made up from the smaller teams if going by the flags has any relevance

Is that right or am I reaching a bit?

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Re: Euro 2020

by Zip » 12 Jul 2021 19:37

Rfc_suzannah Wow, what a night, Absolutely gutted by the result, but certainly an experience I won't forget.

There was a lot of people on the same underground train as me to Wembley that didn't have tickets and were going to "chance" getting in.
Arrived at the stadium at about 17.30, Wembley way was an absolute nightmare to even get down. Upon arrival at the stadium, got held outside the turnstiles as it was in lockdown and they were trying to get fans with fake tickets out. Got in about 18.00. It very quickly became clear that there was way more than the maximum allowed capacity as fans were arguing over seats. Ended up standing the whole game, thankfully my row wasn't oversubscribed. The stairs were lined with fans, bloke a couple rows in front was swigging out of a litre bottle of Jack Daniels, fans behind all had cans of fosters, and the stewards did absolutely nothing. After the game a 19 year old lad was bragging to me that he'd got in, evaded the stewards who tried to throw him out, and watched the whole game. He said he also did it at the game against Scotland.

I've never felt unsafe at a match before, but it is worrying that so many managed to get in, luckily it didn't turn nasty around me, but I don't think it would have taken a lot. A chav in front of me stood on the chair just as England were lining up a free kick in front of us, so I pushed him off, think if I was a bloke, I would have got punched!!

It's embarrasing to be associated with England fans, and I am not sure I want to go to another game in a hurry. Mini Wiz wants to go to an England game so I'll take her to see the Lionesses.



What a shame the thugs spoilt what should have been something really special for you. Hard to believe they were able to rush the stewards and get in.

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Re: Euro 2020

by Snowflake Royal » 12 Jul 2021 19:57

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Rfc_suzannah Wow, what a night, Absolutely gutted by the result, but certainly an experience I won't forget.

There was a lot of people on the same underground train as me to Wembley that didn't have tickets and were going to "chance" getting in.
Arrived at the stadium at about 17.30, Wembley way was an absolute nightmare to even get down. Upon arrival at the stadium, got held outside the turnstiles as it was in lockdown and they were trying to get fans with fake tickets out. Got in about 18.00. It very quickly became clear that there was way more than the maximum allowed capacity as fans were arguing over seats. Ended up standing the whole game, thankfully my row wasn't oversubscribed. The stairs were lined with fans, bloke a couple rows in front was swigging out of a litre bottle of Jack Daniels, fans behind all had cans of fosters, and the stewards did absolutely nothing. After the game a 19 year old lad was bragging to me that he'd got in, evaded the stewards who tried to throw him out, and watched the whole game. He said he also did it at the game against Scotland.

I've never felt unsafe at a match before, but it is worrying that so many managed to get in, luckily it didn't turn nasty around me, but I don't think it would have taken a lot. A chav in front of me stood on the chair just as England were lining up a free kick in front of us, so I pushed him off, think if I was a bloke, I would have got punched!!

It's embarrasing to be associated with England fans, and I am not sure I want to go to another game in a hurry. Mini Wiz wants to go to an England game so I'll take her to see the Lionesses.



What a shame the thugs spoilt what should have been something really special for you. Hard to believe they were able to rush the stewards and get in.

Quantity has a quality all of its own.

30 vs 10, 30 are going to win.


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Re: Euro 2020

by fartdad » 12 Jul 2021 20:29

Rfc_suzannah Wow, what a night, Absolutely gutted by the result, but certainly an experience I won't forget.

There was a lot of people on the same underground train as me to Wembley that didn't have tickets and were going to "chance" getting in.
Arrived at the stadium at about 17.30, Wembley way was an absolute nightmare to even get down. Upon arrival at the stadium, got held outside the turnstiles as it was in lockdown and they were trying to get fans with fake tickets out. Got in about 18.00. It very quickly became clear that there was way more than the maximum allowed capacity as fans were arguing over seats. Ended up standing the whole game, thankfully my row wasn't oversubscribed. The stairs were lined with fans, bloke a couple rows in front was swigging out of a litre bottle of Jack Daniels, fans behind all had cans of fosters, and the stewards did absolutely nothing. After the game a 19 year old lad was bragging to me that he'd got in, evaded the stewards who tried to throw him out, and watched the whole game. He said he also did it at the game against Scotland.

I've never felt unsafe at a match before, but it is worrying that so many managed to get in, luckily it didn't turn nasty around me, but I don't think it would have taken a lot. A chav in front of me stood on the chair just as England were lining up a free kick in front of us, so I pushed him off, think if I was a bloke, I would have got punched!!

It's embarrasing to be associated with England fans, and I am not sure I want to go to another game in a hurry. Mini Wiz wants to go to an England game so I'll take her to see the Lionesses.

That’s terrible, what was supposed to be a memorable night of a lifetime was a nightmare. I saw a few videos of women being sexually assaulted on Twitter and it made me sick.

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Re: Euro 2020

by Royal Rother » 12 Jul 2021 21:55

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Royal Rother Gary Lineker insisted that England should have been braver in trying to win in normal time.

“I think going forward England have to find a way of being more attack minded,” he wrote.

“Braver in possession and throwing more people forward.

“We have the forward talent to scare teams, at present we seem scared ourselves to release that talent.”

Spot on, but the word “we” should be replaced by “he”.


He was cautious but it worked right the way through the tournament. Just felt in the first half last night they should have gone for it as the Italians were rattled. Lessons to be learnt.

I'm sure it wasn't Gareth's game plan to sit around our 18 yard box and waste every scrap of possession we had. He let the players down a bit by not adapting and changing it to counter Italy's growing confidence. The team let him down by retreating into their shell and panicking every time they got the ball.

The lack of experience on the pitch told. The players could have sorted out the problem themselves and tried to play more to the original strategy. But they didn't. And Southgate could have done more to force that fix on the pitch with subs, but he didn't.

Trying to blame Southgate as the cause of the problem, is just trying to find a scapegoat. We know what Rother's position has been from the start. Sterling, Southgate and the style hasn't been good enough for him at any point. So I think we can just dismiss his criticisms of someone disgruntled finally able to find fault to push their transparent agenda


Weird. You’ve just agreed with me. :lol:

I know you hate it when somebody makes a correct observation which you didn’t have the foresight or balls to make yourself but that post is just illogical.

Thanks though.

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Re: Euro 2020

by NathStPaul » 12 Jul 2021 22:06

I miss the Euros :cry:

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Re: Euro 2020

by Zip » 12 Jul 2021 22:28

I miss Reading home defeats. :cry:


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Re: Euro 2020

by Snowflake Royal » 13 Jul 2021 08:03

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He was cautious but it worked right the way through the tournament. Just felt in the first half last night they should have gone for it as the Italians were rattled. Lessons to be learnt.

I'm sure it wasn't Gareth's game plan to sit around our 18 yard box and waste every scrap of possession we had. He let the players down a bit by not adapting and changing it to counter Italy's growing confidence. The team let him down by retreating into their shell and panicking every time they got the ball.

The lack of experience on the pitch told. The players could have sorted out the problem themselves and tried to play more to the original strategy. But they didn't. And Southgate could have done more to force that fix on the pitch with subs, but he didn't.

Trying to blame Southgate as the cause of the problem, is just trying to find a scapegoat. We know what Rother's position has been from the start. Sterling, Southgate and the style hasn't been good enough for him at any point. So I think we can just dismiss his criticisms of someone disgruntled finally able to find fault to push their transparent agenda


Weird. You’ve just agreed with me. :lol:

I know you hate it when somebody makes a correct observation which you didn’t have the foresight or balls to make yourself but that post is just illogical.

Thanks though.

You didn't need to post for us to know you wouldn't get the distinction between my acknowledging there were things the whole England team and set up could have improved upon and your scapegoating and vilifying Southgate.

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Re: Euro 2020

by Hendo » 13 Jul 2021 08:26

Zip I miss Reading home defeats. :cry:


Wont be long :)

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Re: Euro 2020

by NathStPaul » 13 Jul 2021 08:30

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Zip I miss Reading home defeats. :cry:


Wont be long :)

Hey, thats not fair. We have to go on a great run of wins over 8 games to build false hope before we start losing at home. Its that hope that kills us.

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Re: Euro 2020

by URZZZZ » 13 Jul 2021 08:33

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Zip I miss Reading home defeats. :cry:


Wont be long :)

Hey, thats not fair. We have to go on a great run of wins over 8 games to build false hope before we start losing at home. Its that hope that kills us.


No Esteves, Semedo, Aluko or Baldock anymore, who can we bring on to chase games now?

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Re: Euro 2020

by Silver Fox » 13 Jul 2021 08:34

Royal Rother Gary Lineker insisted that England should have been braver in trying to win in normal time.

“I think going forward England have to find a way of being more attack minded,” he wrote.

“Braver in possession and throwing more people forward.

“We have the forward talent to scare teams, at present we seem scared ourselves to release that talent.”

Spot on, but the word “we” should be replaced by “he”.


He have the forward talent to scare teams, at present he seem scared ourselves to release that talent?

Nah, that just sounds ridiculous

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Re: Euro 2020

by Sanguine » 13 Jul 2021 08:35

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The lack of experience on the pitch told. The players could have sorted out the problem themselves and tried to play more to the original strategy. But they didn't. And Southgate could have done more to force that fix on the pitch with subs, but he didn't.

Trying to blame Southgate as the cause of the problem, is just trying to find a scapegoat. We know what Rother's position has been from the start. Sterling, Southgate and the style hasn't been good enough for him at any point. So I think we can just dismiss his criticisms of someone disgruntled finally able to find fault to push their transparent agenda


100%, spot on.

The likes of Rother have made their mind up, and aren't for changing. A view made to look a little ridiculous when it becomes clear that nothing short of winning the tournament (or, it seems, losing 4-2 to Germany in R16 playing expansive football) would suffice.

A team has to be near perfect to win a major tournament - unfortunately Southgate's big tactical miss, and as Ian says, the players themselves going into their shell, happened at a critical point of the final.

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Re: Euro 2020

by NathStPaul » 13 Jul 2021 08:36

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Wont be long :)

Hey, thats not fair. We have to go on a great run of wins over 8 games to build false hope before we start losing at home. Its that hope that kills us.


No Esteves, Semedo, Aluko or Baldock anymore, who can we bring on to chase games now?

Think we may actually have a better chance without 3 of the names you mention.

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