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[Schards#2]

What can I say? Celtic and Rangers would both be relegated from the Prem within 10 years if they joined it.

Poor fishing Ian, only a fool with say that with a straight face. If blackburn, fulham, bolton,etc can sustain prem status with their infrastructure and gates of 20k, what are the likes of rangers and celtic with 50k and 55k and far more european success going to do? They'd be pushing top 4 at the very least. ReLOLegated

Attendence really kept Newcastle up didn't it.

medium fish in a tiny pond. there is no way they could sustain themselves in the Prem, they're reliant on the money and support from being totally dominant in the SPL and they would be struggling to qualify for Europe in the first few seasons. They certainly wouldn't make the champions League more than once.

I would have thought the vastly increased TV revenue would more than compensate for the reduced revenue from european participation.

Also, I would be staggered if gates were lower for mid table prem football than top of the table scottish.

Celtic can't compete with prem wages and their early exit from europe will exacerbate this situation.

[FiNeRaIn]

Rangers and celtic are two of the biggest clubs in the world. Rangers took 250,000 to manchester ffs.
With the TV revenue and increased ticket prices they would be rolling in it compared to now. There is absolutely nothing to base a relegation argument on.

[Tredder]

Celtic can't compete with prem wages and their early exit from europe will exacerbate this situation.

Give Spacey his maggot back m8.

[Ian Royal]

Rangers and celtic are two of the biggest clubs in the world. Rangers took 250,000 to manchester ffs.
With the TV revenue and increased ticket prices they would be rolling in it compared to now. There is absolutely nothing to base a relegation argument on.

Isn't it a shame we'll never get to see who's right.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

What can I say? Celtic and Rangers would both be relegated from the Prem within 10 years if they joined it.

Poor fishing Ian, only a fool with say that with a straight face. If blackburn, fulham, bolton,etc can sustain prem status with their infrastructure and gates of 20k, what are the likes of rangers and celtic with 50k and 55k and far more european success going to do? They'd be pushing top 4 at the very least. ReLOLegated

Attendence really kept Newcastle up didn't it.

medium fish in a tiny pond. there is no way they could sustain themselves in the Prem, they're reliant on the money and support from being totally dominant in the SPL and they would be struggling to qualify for Europe in the first few seasons. They certainly wouldn't make the champions League more than once.

I think you'd find they get the £30 million in tv money that keeps the likes of Wigan strong. Add that to the cash from 50,000-60,000 crowds each week, and it's pretty daft to think they'd stay at their current levels of ability.

Newcastle went down because they are an exceptional basketcase of a club.

[sandman]

It could be worse. They could be like a certain other club from Glasgow who were last year knocked out of the champions’ league qualifying round by Lithuanian minnows FC Kaunas the day before they released their new European kit.

[papereyes]

Rangers took 250,000 to manchester ffs.

They could have at least tried to take 250, 000 back with them. Half of that shower are still hanging around Piccadilly garden.

[boy1985]

Rangers and celtic are two of the biggest clubs in the world. Rangers took 250,000 to manchester ffs.
With the TV revenue and increased ticket prices they would be rolling in it compared to now. There is absolutely nothing to base a relegation argument on.

100 million fans support the Chinese national team, does that make them BIG in the football word then?

no.

because they are sh1t.

[FiNeRaIn]

Rangers and celtic are two of the biggest clubs in the world. Rangers took 250,000 to manchester ffs.
With the TV revenue and increased ticket prices they would be rolling in it compared to now. There is absolutely nothing to base a relegation argument on.

100 million fans support the Chinese national team, does that make them BIG in the football word then?

no.

because they are sh1t.

You are completely ridiculous. That comment doesn't even deserve a counter argument.

[boy1985]

Rangers and celtic are two of the biggest clubs in the world. Rangers took 250,000 to manchester ffs.
With the TV revenue and increased ticket prices they would be rolling in it compared to now. There is absolutely nothing to base a relegation argument on.

100 million fans support the Chinese national team, does that make them BIG in the football word then?

no.

because they are sh1t.

You are completely ridiculous. That comment doesn't even deserve a counter argument.

I am sick of people saying they are a 'big' club because they have a lot of fans.

It doesn't mean you are big, it just means that there is a lot of people in the area who probably can't afford/be fcuked to travel further south to watch decent football.

Celtic, Rangers or Newcastle are NOT the biggest clubs in world football.

[FiNeRaIn]

You have no argument.

Celtic/rangers always travel massively round europe. They are a LOT of fans based in other parts of the UK. If they were accepted to play in the prem each week they would sell out- as they do against inverness-dundee utd,etc Thats just a fact. With acceptance to the EPL they would get much much more money to invest in players and club stability- you forget rangers got to the UEFA cup final with a cheaply built squad with a few seasoned pro's in there. Imagine what would happen with some financial backing.

People can bark on about newcastle all they want- they are nothing to do with this argument. Its like the age old boring argument of " if clubs spend money they'll do a leeds", pathetic.

[boy1985]

You have no argument.

Celtic/rangers always travel massively round europe. They are a LOT of fans based in other parts of the UK. If they were accepted to play in the prem each week they would sell out- as they do against inverness-dundee utd,etc Thats just a fact. With acceptance to the EPL they would get much much more money to invest in players and club stability- you forget rangers got to the UEFA cup final with a cheaply built squad with a few seasoned pro's in there. Imagine what would happen with some financial backing.

People can bark on about newcastle all they want- they are nothing to do with this argument. Its like the age old boring argument of " if clubs spend money they'll do a leeds", pathetic.

Newcastle has EVERYTHING to do with it though...

Like it or not they had all the sell outs and all the money to spend that you apparently would get, and they still got relegated. Having a lot of fans can give you a lot of money, giving you more of a chance to succeed. But that has fcuk all to do with being a big club unless you actually go out and do it.

If it wasn't for the non football based rivalry the old firm have, they would be the same size as Hearts or Hibs anyway, with the same amount of fans.

[TheMaraudingDog]

Rangers took 250,000 to manchester ffs.

That's nothing m8, Celtic took 1million to Seville.

[Barry the bird boggler]

Rangers took 250,000 to manchester ffs.

That's nothing m8, Celtic took 1million to Seville.

Blimey, I only took a couple of hundred euros, what did they spend it on?

[Ian Royal]

This would be worth it even if I didn't believe it was true. If just for watching finetwat have to defend his hated Celtic so he doesn't have to admit Rangers are shit too!

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

You have no argument.

Celtic/rangers always travel massively round europe. They are a LOT of fans based in other parts of the UK. If they were accepted to play in the prem each week they would sell out- as they do against inverness-dundee utd,etc Thats just a fact. With acceptance to the EPL they would get much much more money to invest in players and club stability- you forget rangers got to the UEFA cup final with a cheaply built squad with a few seasoned pro's in there. Imagine what would happen with some financial backing.

People can bark on about newcastle all they want- they are nothing to do with this argument. Its like the age old boring argument of " if clubs spend money they'll do a leeds", pathetic.

Newcastle has EVERYTHING to do with it though...

Like it or not they had all the sell outs and all the money to spend that you apparently would get, and they still got relegated. Having a lot of fans can give you a lot of money, giving you more of a chance to succeed. But that has fcuk all to do with being a big club unless you actually go out and do it.

If it wasn't for the non football based rivalry the old firm have, they would be the same size as Hearts or Hibs anyway, with the same amount of fans.

Some people, probably most people, define a big club as one that has a large number of fans - particularly a large number that watch them play.

Some think big is about success.


ps, it really doesn't matter why Rangers & Celtic have such large support. The fact is they have it.

[FiNeRaIn]

Rangers took 250,000 to manchester ffs.

That's nothing m8, Celtic took 1million to Seville.

Add them both together and it still doesn't equal the amount city had on Blackburns hill.

[soggy biscuit]

Rangers and celtic are two of the biggest clubs in the world.

[Gus the teenage cow]

celtic team that lost to sunderland was a reserve side, celtic a week earlier had beaten a full-strength spurs side 2-0 with an understrength side, anyway we can't really read too much into pre-season friendlies, i guess all we can judge it on is celtic's record against english sides in europe over the past 10 years or so which is generally pretty good, celtic and rangers with the huge tv revenues would comfortably survive in the premier league (and would most likely be pushing for Europe at least) unless they were grossly mismanaged like the likes of leeds and newcastle

[weybridgewanderer]

I am sick of people saying they are a 'big' club because they have a lot of fans.

It doesn't mean you are big, it just means that there is a lot of people in the area who probably can't afford/be fcuked to travel further south to watch decent football.

Celtic, Rangers or Newcastle are NOT the biggest clubs in world football.

So how would you define a "big" club?

many many people travel from all over the world to watch both rangers and celtic

The North American Rangers Supporters Association (NARSA) hosts a convention every summer in Canada or the USA with over 1000 people in attendance

catch an early flight from to Glasgow from heathrow, gatwick, luton or standstead and you iwll find many many rangers or celtic fans flying to glasgow, depending which one is playng at home.

There are committed "bluenose bars" all over the world that will show every televised Rangers game that is available in their local market

http://www.bluenosebars.com/

Could Newcastle say the same? Do they have the same support outside of newcastle? Where is the website for newcastle fans to find a pub where they can meet fellow newcastle fans and watch games if they are travelling outside of newcastle?