The generic transfer thread

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Re: The generic transfer thread

by URZZZZ » 31 Aug 2021 14:03

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NathStPaul Ronaldo to United officially announced. Great signing for them, they are a CDM away from being favourites for the title imo.


Favourites? Not with Ole as manager.


Clearly they've accidentally gone a PL record 28 games unbeaten away from home, in spite of their manager.


Yet nothing tangible to show for it!

He should have won at least one trophy by now, especially considering they've been involved in four/five semi finals in that period

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Re: The generic transfer thread

by Royal Rother » 31 Aug 2021 14:24

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NathStPaul Ronaldo to United officially announced. Great signing for them, they are a CDM away from being favourites for the title imo.


Favourites? Not with Ole as manager.


Clearly they've accidentally gone a PL record 28 games unbeaten away from home, in spite of their manager.


How's the Home form been over that time?

My point was that no matter who Man Utd have in their squad, until he wins something they will never be favourites while Pep, Tuchel and Klopp are PL managers.

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Re: The generic transfer thread

by Simmops » 31 Aug 2021 14:26

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Favourites? Not with Ole as manager.


Clearly they've accidentally gone a PL record 28 games unbeaten away from home, in spite of their manager.

He has improved a lot to be fair to him. I think he is the best man for Manchester United currently, defintiely gets the best out of the players he has. Turned Pogba's United career around.


Agreed
Its now or bust for him, best chance United have of the title

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Re: The generic transfer thread

by Simmops » 31 Aug 2021 14:27

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Favourites? Not with Ole as manager.


Clearly they've accidentally gone a PL record 28 games unbeaten away from home, in spite of their manager.


How's the Home form been over that time?

My point was that no matter who Man Utd have in their squad, until he wins something they will never be favourites while Pep, Tuchel and Klopp are PL managers.


Tuchel is the leagues best manager IMO he could even turn arsenal around

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Re: The generic transfer thread

by Hendo » 31 Aug 2021 14:35

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Favourites? Not with Ole as manager.


Clearly they've accidentally gone a PL record 28 games unbeaten away from home, in spite of their manager.


How's the Home form been over that time?

My point was that no matter who Man Utd have in their squad, until he wins something they will never be favourites while Pep, Tuchel and Klopp are PL managers.


2019/2020 - P8, W4, D3, L1
2020/2021 - P19, W9, D4, L6
2021/2021 - P1, W1, D0, L0

Total - P28, W14, D7, L7 - 50% win percentage

Thought I'd take a look at Chelsea's to see how it compares

2019/2020 - P8, W6, D1, L1
2020/2021 - P19, W9, D6, L4
2021/2022 - P1, W1, D0, L0

Total - P28, W16, D7, L5 - 57% win percentage

So while Chelsea's is better, it isn't that much better, only 6 points in it.


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Re: The generic transfer thread

by Royal Rother » 31 Aug 2021 14:51

Yes, but since Tuchel's been there....

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Re: The generic transfer thread

by Hendo » 31 Aug 2021 14:55

Royal Rother Yes, but since Tuchel's been there....


Home games since Tuchel took over Chelsea.

Man Utd - P11, W6, D2, L3
Chelsea - P11, W6, D3, L2

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Re: The generic transfer thread

by Royal Rother » 31 Aug 2021 15:04

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Royal Rother Yes, but since Tuchel's been there....


Home games since Tuchel took over Chelsea.

Man Utd - P11, W6, D2, L3
Chelsea - P11, W6, D3, L2

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Re: The generic transfer thread

by Simmops » 31 Aug 2021 21:33

Saul to Chelsea, great signing. Not that they really need him but still.

Griezman back to Atletico.


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Re: The generic transfer thread

by Simmops » 31 Aug 2021 23:30

Barcelona start of season.... messi, griezmann and depay

Now.... Braithwaite and luuk de jong :lol:

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Re: The generic transfer thread

by Simmops » 31 Aug 2021 23:33

Mad how Barcelona gave Atletico €86m, Luis Suarez, the La Liga title and Antoine Griezmann in exchange for Antoine Griezmann

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Re: The generic transfer thread

by Sanguine » 01 Sep 2021 08:40

Do have to feel for Klopp a bit. He does seem reasonably content with his lot - and there is a reasonable case that Liverpool's squad is deep enough unless they suffer another swathe of injuries like last season. But Saul was a long-term Liverpool target - that Chelsea have signed when they didn't really even need him. Other clubs have taken big bounds forward in what has to be the craziest transfer window in a decade - whilst Liverpool have stood still, on a policy of 'sell Divock Origi if you want to sign someone. Anyone. Like Jarrod Bowen.'

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Re: The generic transfer thread

by NathStPaul » 01 Sep 2021 09:24

Sanguine Do have to feel for Klopp a bit. He does seem reasonably content with his lot - and there is a reasonable case that Liverpool's squad is deep enough unless they suffer another swathe of injuries like last season. But Saul was a long-term Liverpool target - that Chelsea have signed when they didn't really even need him. Other clubs have taken big bounds forward in what has to be the craziest transfer window in a decade - whilst Liverpool have stood still, on a policy of 'sell Divock Origi if you want to sign someone. Anyone. Like Jarrod Bowen.'

Weird situation at Liverpool, you'd think winning the league would have encouraged the owners to invest in the squad. From the outside it would appear that as long as Champions League football comes their way at the end of each season the owners are happy with that.

Wonder how long it will be before Klopp has had enough and Mr Gerrard comes in? Nailed on to happen at some point.


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Re: The generic transfer thread

by Sanguine » 01 Sep 2021 09:32

Has its roots in American ownership I think. Something United have suffered with for some time, although less so in the last 12 months. In the US you make money from sports teams by commercialising them. The Red Sox play in a closed shop league and sure, winning the World Series brings in a bit of prize money but it is a pittance compared to the money FSG rakes in from merchandising and ticket sales and TV deals and the Red Sox brand worldwide.

As you say (a bit like Reading in 2006) the time to invest was on the back of success - but as we've seen first with the Glazers and now FSG, up front investment of tens of millions isn't really the model they follow. Even Liverpool's title success was essentially based on selling Coutinho. FSG's focus is on expanding the stadium, and the brand's global footprint. To be fair their club sponsorship deals which give the club less up front but a percentage of merchandising revenues are a great move.

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Re: The generic transfer thread

by Donny Ironside » 01 Sep 2021 09:37

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Sanguine Do have to feel for Klopp a bit. He does seem reasonably content with his lot - and there is a reasonable case that Liverpool's squad is deep enough unless they suffer another swathe of injuries like last season. But Saul was a long-term Liverpool target - that Chelsea have signed when they didn't really even need him. Other clubs have taken big bounds forward in what has to be the craziest transfer window in a decade - whilst Liverpool have stood still, on a policy of 'sell Divock Origi if you want to sign someone. Anyone. Like Jarrod Bowen.'

Weird situation at Liverpool, you'd think winning the league would have encouraged the owners to invest in the squad. From the outside it would appear that as long as Champions League football comes their way at the end of each season the owners are happy with that.

Wonder how long it will be before Klopp has had enough and Mr Gerrard comes in? Nailed on to happen at some point.

Few years I reckon. Klopp is riding on the League and CL win, and Gerrard seems content in dicking over Celtic. I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to make a serious push in Europe with Rangers before Liverpool.

It would be a risk for him still. Even as a Legend, it means oxf*rd all as Fat Frank found out. He seems to be fine with what he has and comfortable.

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Re: The generic transfer thread

by NathStPaul » 01 Sep 2021 09:43

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Sanguine Do have to feel for Klopp a bit. He does seem reasonably content with his lot - and there is a reasonable case that Liverpool's squad is deep enough unless they suffer another swathe of injuries like last season. But Saul was a long-term Liverpool target - that Chelsea have signed when they didn't really even need him. Other clubs have taken big bounds forward in what has to be the craziest transfer window in a decade - whilst Liverpool have stood still, on a policy of 'sell Divock Origi if you want to sign someone. Anyone. Like Jarrod Bowen.'

Weird situation at Liverpool, you'd think winning the league would have encouraged the owners to invest in the squad. From the outside it would appear that as long as Champions League football comes their way at the end of each season the owners are happy with that.

Wonder how long it will be before Klopp has had enough and Mr Gerrard comes in? Nailed on to happen at some point.

Few years I reckon. Klopp is riding on the League and CL win, and Gerrard seems content in dicking over Celtic. I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to make a serious push in Europe with Rangers before Liverpool.

It would be a risk for him still. Even as a Legend, it means oxf*rd all as Fat Frank found out. He seems to be fine with what he has and comfortable.

Yeah I don't think it will be for a couple of years, depends on how quickly Klopp gets fed up with not being able to spend any money. He loses Salah and Mane for a month in January and has no real back up for them so I would expect them to suffer a bit around then and drift out of any title picture they may have been in.

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Re: The generic transfer thread

by Donny Ironside » 01 Sep 2021 10:02

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NathStPaul Weird situation at Liverpool, you'd think winning the league would have encouraged the owners to invest in the squad. From the outside it would appear that as long as Champions League football comes their way at the end of each season the owners are happy with that.

Wonder how long it will be before Klopp has had enough and Mr Gerrard comes in? Nailed on to happen at some point.

Few years I reckon. Klopp is riding on the League and CL win, and Gerrard seems content in dicking over Celtic. I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to make a serious push in Europe with Rangers before Liverpool.

It would be a risk for him still. Even as a Legend, it means oxf*rd all as Fat Frank found out. He seems to be fine with what he has and comfortable.

Yeah I don't think it will be for a couple of years, depends on how quickly Klopp gets fed up with not being able to spend any money. He loses Salah and Mane for a month in January and has no real back up for them so I would expect them to suffer a bit around then and drift out of any title picture they may have been in.


Don't know how they will react that is true, but they have Jota who was missing for a chunk of the season and need Bobby on form, with VVD it should be enough to see them over that hurdle. I suppose they are going to be hit harder then most top teams with losing players for the AFCON though.

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Re: The generic transfer thread

by Sanguine » 01 Sep 2021 10:09

They've apparently just lost Firmino for at least two months.

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Re: The generic transfer thread

by paultheroyal » 01 Sep 2021 13:03

Liverpool must have bags of money. Can only think they are saving it up for a marquee signing in either January or next summer.

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Re: The generic transfer thread

by Sutekh » 01 Sep 2021 13:29

paultheroyal Liverpool must have bags of money. Can only think they are saving it up for a marquee signing in either January or next summer.


No idea if it’s true or not but Liverpool strike me as currently possibly the best run of what you’d call the big sides in the world as they do not just go out and spend zillions every window but if they do spend big it’s largely financed by other sales.

The issue though with that is that things aren’t kept “fresh” and squad depth is not as strong as it should be for a club at that level. Consequently I expect them to be playing for 4th place again while the 2 Manchester clubs and Chelsea fight it out for the prize that matters.

Given the club ethos was always to win the league title that seemingly lack lustre attitude must be difficult for some supporters to take

At least though, for them the very slim outside chance they have of enticing Mbappe their way next summer went up slightly this window.

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