Rumour - Gary Hooper

[Ian Royal]

The stats say in the Championship he ought to score 10-15. To get 20 he's going
to have to be a record-breaker, and let's not forget he's very expensive.

There's absolutely nothing in his career to date to suggest he'e the kind of
player to grind out 23-30 league goals.

He MIGHT (of course) but it's not very likely based on every precedent

for the money we can do much better

You do talk nonsense. Strikers who get 23-30 league goals are rarer than gold dust and very few do it more than once or twice. And as for your "stats say in the Championship he ought to score 10-15", he got 19 league goals for scunthorpe in 9/10 you total bellend.

Unless you're still talking about Pog, in which case your stats are meaningless for how many he'll score in the Championship. They don't translate.

[urz13]

The stats say in the Championship he ought to score 10-15. To get 20 he's going
to have to be a record-breaker, and let's not forget he's very expensive.

There's absolutely nothing in his career to date to suggest he'e the kind of
player to grind out 23-30 league goals.

He MIGHT (of course) but it's not very likely based on every precedent

for the money we can do much better

You do talk nonsense. Strikers who get 23-30 league goals are rarer than gold dust and very few do it more than once or twice. And as for your "stats say in the Championship he ought to score 10-15", he got 19 league goals for scunthorpe in 9/10 you total bellend.

He's talking about Pogrebnyak you total bellend.

[Ian Royal]

See, the edit. Most of it applies and trying to apply stats to say how many Pog would score at a completely new level and in a different system to the one he spent most of last season is total helmetry.

[bigmike]

Eitherway Ian is right Snowball is a Bellend

Yet again another thread off topic with his oooh look at me stats

[Big Ern]

Snowball still insecure about not being able to go to university

[Royalwaster]

This seems to have gone on too long - so seems very unlikely to happen.

[Extended-Phenotype]

Bit harsh on Snowball here. It was ‘Jay /0’ who posted the rumour of a swap deal for Pog before everyone started getting a hate-boner for him – Snowball posting stats to support his opinion that Pog isn’t worth the money we pay him is hardly off topic.

I like Pog, think he had f/ck all service in the Prem thanks to our lame tactics and poor delivery, and believe he could be a cracking player in the right team. That said, his wages ARE too high and his fault or not, he has hardly justified them – so I can see Snowy’s point.

[melonhead]

when he did get service he was still shit

[Royal91]

when he did get service he was still shit

Agreed. Pogs first touch was simply dreadful.

[winchester_royal]

when he did get service he was still shit

[winchester_royal]

when he did get service he was still shit

Agreed. Pogs first touch was simply dreadful.

[WoodleyRoyal]

when he did get service he was still shit

confidence was shot though after so many dire team performances

[RockheadRumple]

when he did get service he was still shit

confidence was shot though after so many dire team performances

Aww poor him.

[floyd__streete]

when he did get service he was still shit

+1 on the

The service was appaling. When he did get a quality ball into the box (McCleary cross, Pog header - Chelsea away) he put it away, but when you're relying on (the hugely overr8ted) Kebe for service then you'll be w8ting a long time. Kebe's crossing is easily the worst bit of his game.

I expect that this thread might develop into a bit of McAnuff h8 now, which would be just the kind of remedial response I'd expect from you lot.

[Snowball]

The stats say in the Championship he ought to score 10-15. To get 20 he's going
to have to be a record-breaker, and let's not forget he's very expensive.

There's absolutely nothing in his career to date to suggest he'e the kind of
player to grind out 23-30 league goals.

He MIGHT (of course) but it's not very likely based on every precedent

for the money we can do much better

You do talk nonsense. Strikers who get 23-30 league goals are rarer than gold dust and very few do it more than once or twice. And as for your "stats say in the Championship he ought to score 10-15", he got 19 league goals for scunthorpe in 9/10 you total bellend.

Unless you're still talking about Pog, in which case your stats are meaningless for how many he'll score in the Championship. They don't translate.

Dear Bell-End. I was clearly talking about the Pog.
There are stats comparing Premiership-Championship goal-scoring for player as I wrote about three consecutive pog-Posts
and Hooper has yet to play in the English premier League.

And if players going from the Championship to the Prem typically DROP their goals tally
isn't it also extremely likely that players dropping from the Premiership to the Championship
(unless they are old and past-it) should see their goal tally doubled or trebled?

Or is the maths and logic too much for your tiny brain?

Let's show it for a completely random player, um, Jason Roberts


25 Matches 1,491 Minutes 5 Goals 298 Minutes per Goal 2010-11 Blackburn
10 Matches 0,467 Minutes 0 Goals 000 Minutes per Goal 2011-12 Blackburn

35 Matches 1,958 Minutes 5 Goals 392 Minutes per Goal 2010-12 Blackburn

17 Matches 1,428 Minutes 6 Goals 238 Minutes per Goal 2011-12 Reading


Roberts Minutes-per-Goal for his last 1.5 Prem season would translate to 10.56 Goals per 46x90 season

Had he played a 46 x 90 season at the rate he was scoring he would have got 17.36 Goals. He would also have had 17.36 assists

He is clearly a player in the twilight of his career at 35 but even so he was scoring at 164% of his 2010-11 rate


Direct Comparison

25 Matches 1,491 Minutes 5 Goals 298 Minutes per Goal 2010-11 Blackburn, Roberts
29 Matches 2,016 Minutes 5 Goals 403 Minutes per Goal 2012-13 Reading, Pogrevnyak

Roberts stepped up to the equivalent of a 17 goal season but was much more prolific in the Prem
Against that The Pog is still close to his peak, but will do truly exceptionally to get 17 goals

[Snowball]

12 Matches 0,943 Minutes 06 Goals = 157 Minutes per Goal 2011-12 Pogrevnyak Fulham
29 Matches 2,016 Minutes 05 Goals = 403 Minutes per Goal 2012-13 Pogrevnyak Reading

41 Matches 2,959 Minutes 11 Goals = 269 Minutes per Goal 2011-13 Pogrevnyak All Premiership Games


Personally, I think his Fulham stats are a bit flaky as he had 5 goals in his first 3 games and then dried up, getting 1 in 7

He had a similar thing with us, 3 in 3 and 2 in 26. Add in his long-term record and he's never looked like being prolific

For the money we have to pay him, we need him to be scoring 20+ (personally I'd say 25)

My point is we can probably get a few million for him, and reduce the wage bill, bring in replacements who are LIKELY
to get 15+ and will have a good shot of 20+, probably on lower wages

[Elm Park Pasty]

It's not a certainty Pog will score more (although I am extremely hopeful that he will). Kevin Doyle's goal to game ratio was worse last season than it was for the two seasons before the relegation one. So it is possible for someone to do worse I suppose but I would hope Pog is going to do better. You can only score chances if they exist, whether you have created them or someone else. Hopefully this year with defences of less quality he will get more.

[maffff]

Snowball mate, who is this Pogrevnyak fella?

Do you know how to spell any of our players names?

[Snowball]

Snowball mate, who is this Pogrevnyak fella?

Do you know how to spell any of our players names?

No, that's why I liked Long and Hunt

[Snowball]

It's not a certainty Pog will score more (although I am extremely hopeful that he will). Kevin Doyle's goal to game ratio was worse last season than it was for the two seasons before the relegation one. So it is possible for someone to do worse I suppose but I would hope Pog is going to do better. You can only score chances if they exist, whether you have created them or someone else. Hopefully this year with defences of less quality he will get more.

I presume he will, but even if he scores THREE TIMES as many, that's 15 a season for a whole lotta wages

It's not that I don't like him, and I think he might just EXPLODE in the Championship
but he doesn't strike me as great value for money and I'd want him as fourth striker
if we went back up

I'd much prefer players like Noel Hunt, who'd be good for 15 or so in a full Champ season, on about a third of the money