Speculation: Gylfi

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Speculation: Gylfi

by SCIAG » 14 Apr 2023 15:56

Putting this out there mostly because someone else will if I do not.

The charges against Gylfi have been dropped. Unlike Greenwood, the public have never seen any evidence against him. He is currently out of contract.

In theory, a Championship club with a space in their squad could sign him.

Issues:
- we do not have a place in our squad
- we are severely limited in salary we can offer
- he probably doesn’t want to stay in this country where his reputation has been damaged
- we do not have a place in our squad
- he hasn’t played a game in almost two years, and while his safe house apparently had a gym, he probably isn’t match fit
- we do not have a place in our squad
- WCBAP
- we do not have a place in our squad

Other than that he’d be ideal.

If we stay up, perhaps there is genuinely a chance. But he isn’t going to be our saviour to keep us up this year.

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by Hendo » 14 Apr 2023 16:12

Would take him back next year in a heartbeat.

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Re: Speculation: Gylfi

by Stranded » 14 Apr 2023 16:13

Unaware of what he was actually charged of, I still think that no club in England would sign him as there will, rightly or wrongly be a stigma attached to him.

He will be seen as in the same league as say Adam Johnson, and will simply be unemployable here. If he even resumes his career, I imagine it will be in another European league (or even further afield) - Saudi for example.

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by Mr Angry » 14 Apr 2023 16:14

I suspect he will want to try to re-build his life before thinking of playing football right now.

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Re: Speculation: Gylfi

by SCIAG » 14 Apr 2023 16:34

Stranded Unaware of what he was actually charged of, I still think that no club in England would sign him as there will, rightly or wrongly be a stigma attached to him.

He will be seen as in the same league as say Adam Johnson, and will simply be unemployable here. If he even resumes his career, I imagine it will be in another European league (or even further afield) - Saudi for example.

He wasn’t charged with anything. He was just arrested.

The likes of Bissouma, Partey, and Evans are all currently playing in England. Bissouma is the most comparable, no public evidence and all charges dropped, playing for Spurs without a peep. Graham Stack had a rape charge hanging over him for most of his Reading career.

Don’t think this is as bad as Johnson, who went to prison, or Greenwood, who should have. Obviously Partey and Evans still playing despite their actions is a case of “two wrongs don’t make a right”, but it shows that there isn’t necessarily a public backlash.


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Re: Speculation: Gylfi

by PATRIQT » 14 Apr 2023 16:57

Yeah get him back. He'll love these school ticket promotions.

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by Sutekh » 14 Apr 2023 17:17

If I was the Mark Bowen I would certainly look at it for next season to see if something could be found to be mutually agreeable and financially sound.

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by Pepe the Horseman » 14 Apr 2023 18:53

Think the biggest issue will be oppo fans giving him relentless shit. If he can deal with that, then all for it.

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Re: Speculation: Gylfi

by Mid Sussex Royal » 14 Apr 2023 19:07

He'll go overseas. He was arrested I believe for similar offences as Johnson (ie under age girls)


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Re: Speculation: Gylfi

by Snowflake Royal » 14 Apr 2023 20:58

Ability wise it's an absolute no brainer.

I'd like to think regardles of CPS ability to prosecute, there's probably a pretty good idea in the football world of whether he's unfairly maligned/ made a mistake or dodgy as oxf*rd.

In the case of the former, worth a look.in the case of the latter, steer well clear.

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by MR.CYNICAL » 14 Apr 2023 23:10

If true, what a waste of a talented footballers career. Shameful.

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Re: Speculation: Gylfi

by Orion1871 » 15 Apr 2023 05:16

If he plays football again, it won't be in this country.

Even if he did make a genuine mistake and was being blackmailed by someone so handed himself in, as the rumours suggest, to opposition fans, it doesn't matter. The stigma is there, and they will lump him in with people like Johnson and Mendy.
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Re: Speculation: Gylfi

by Stranded » 15 Apr 2023 08:49

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Stranded Unaware of what he was actually charged of, I still think that no club in England would sign him as there will, rightly or wrongly be a stigma attached to him.

He will be seen as in the same league as say Adam Johnson, and will simply be unemployable here. If he even resumes his career, I imagine it will be in another European league (or even further afield) - Saudi for example.

He wasn’t charged with anything. He was just arrested.

The likes of Bissouma, Partey, and Evans are all currently playing in England. Bissouma is the most comparable, no public evidence and all charges dropped, playing for Spurs without a peep. Graham Stack had a rape charge hanging over him for most of his Reading career.

Don’t think this is as bad as Johnson, who went to prison, or Greenwood, who should have. Obviously Partey and Evans still playing despite their actions is a case of “two wrongs don’t make a right”, but it shows that there isn’t necessarily a public backlash.


Whilst I would have little issue in theory just one look at social media and just Reading FC social media has our own fans already calling him paedo etc. If fans of the club he came through at have that level of animosity toward him (however small that group is) despite him never having been charged - then I'm not sure he plays again in England.


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Re: Speculation: Gylfi

by SouthDownsRoyal » 15 Apr 2023 20:27

This would be a good signing.

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Re: Speculation: Gylfi

by Elm Park Kid » 16 Apr 2023 00:01

I imagine that a club with more money than us will make a move for him in the summer. That's if he wants to carry on playing.

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Re: Speculation: Gylfi

by Sebastian the Red » 17 Apr 2023 10:45

The CPS have specifically stated that the evidence they have managed to accrue over the last two years does not meet their threshold.

Their threshold is "balance of probabilities", or "is it more likely than not". They do not have to get to the criminal standard for a charging decision.

So in other words, the CPS and police couldn't even get to a 50% chance of a crime being committed.

Which is incredibly rare in a criminal investigation.

Morons might hold the fact that he was investigated against him. Anyone with a mind capable of critical thought would have him back in a heartbeat if he's still up to standard.

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Re: Speculation: Gylfi

by leon » 17 Apr 2023 11:48

Sebastian the Red The CPS have specifically stated that the evidence they have managed to accrue over the last two years does not meet their threshold.

Their threshold is "balance of probabilities", or "is it more likely than not". They do not have to get to the criminal standard for a charging decision.

So in other words, the CPS and police couldn't even get to a 50% chance of a crime being committed.

Which is incredibly rare in a criminal investigation.

Morons might hold the fact that he was investigated against him. Anyone with a mind capable of critical thought would have him back in a heartbeat if he's still up to standard.


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Re: Speculation: Gylfi

by Snowflake Royal » 17 Apr 2023 12:18

Sebastian the Red The CPS have specifically stated that the evidence they have managed to accrue over the last two years does not meet their threshold.

Their threshold is "balance of probabilities", or "is it more likely than not". They do not have to get to the criminal standard for a charging decision.

So in other words, the CPS and police couldn't even get to a 50% chance of a crime being committed.

Which is incredibly rare in a criminal investigation.

Morons might hold the fact that he was investigated against him. Anyone with a mind capable of critical thought would have him back in a heartbeat if he's still up to standard.

Genuine question, is it 51% of a crime having been commited or 51% of their being a realistic chance of proving a crime has been commited and securing a conviction, because those feel like similar but importantly different things.

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Re: Speculation: Gylfi

by Sebastian the Red » 17 Apr 2023 13:11

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Sebastian the Red The CPS have specifically stated that the evidence they have managed to accrue over the last two years does not meet their threshold.

Their threshold is "balance of probabilities", or "is it more likely than not". They do not have to get to the criminal standard for a charging decision.

So in other words, the CPS and police couldn't even get to a 50% chance of a crime being committed.

Which is incredibly rare in a criminal investigation.

Morons might hold the fact that he was investigated against him. Anyone with a mind capable of critical thought would have him back in a heartbeat if he's still up to standard.

Genuine question, is it 51% of a crime having been commited or 51% of their being a realistic chance of proving a crime has been commited and securing a conviction, because those feel like similar but importantly different things.


In reality they’re the same thing. They can only say that there is a 51% chance of a crime having been committed if they have the evidence to back it up. And if they have that evidence then it’s a 51% chance of proving it.

It’s a subjective test in reality, prosecutors ask themselves “with the evidence we have is it more likely than not that we can prove this”. Some think they have hunches that the crime was definitely committed or whatever but if they don’t have evidence that hunch is based on absolutely nothing.

They err on the side of caution, especially in sex cases, as victims rights groups get a bit worked up.

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Re: Speculation: Gylfi

by Snowflake Royal » 17 Apr 2023 15:38

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Sebastian the Red The CPS have specifically stated that the evidence they have managed to accrue over the last two years does not meet their threshold.

Their threshold is "balance of probabilities", or "is it more likely than not". They do not have to get to the criminal standard for a charging decision.

So in other words, the CPS and police couldn't even get to a 50% chance of a crime being committed.

Which is incredibly rare in a criminal investigation.

Morons might hold the fact that he was investigated against him. Anyone with a mind capable of critical thought would have him back in a heartbeat if he's still up to standard.

Genuine question, is it 51% of a crime having been commited or 51% of their being a realistic chance of proving a crime has been commited and securing a conviction, because those feel like similar but importantly different things.


In reality they’re the same thing. They can only say that there is a 51% chance of a crime having been committed if they have the evidence to back it up. And if they have that evidence then it’s a 51% chance of proving it.

It’s a subjective test in reality, prosecutors ask themselves “with the evidence we have is it more likely than not that we can prove this”. Some think they have hunches that the crime was definitely committed or whatever but if they don’t have evidence that hunch is based on absolutely nothing.

They err on the side of caution, especially in sex cases, as victims rights groups get a bit worked up.

Thanks Seb, nice and clear.

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