England - the future....

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Re: England - the future....

by Hoop Blah » 19 Mar 2019 15:24

John Smith I see caps are still being given out like proverbial confetti. I've also been chuckling away to myself after reading so many people calling for Jack Grealish to be called up to the squad!


Well, for starters none of the uncapped players have played yet, so that's not quite correct, and what else would you like to see Southgate do?

Should he call up very promising young players who have come through the system together and experienced international success, you know, like everyone has been asking England managers to do since Germany showed the way 10/15 years ago?

Perhaps you'd rather he called up a player with a international experience and a wealth of caps already, maybe someone like Theo Walcott or Ashley Young?

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by Hendo » 19 Mar 2019 16:50

John Smith I see caps are still being given out like proverbial confetti.


Call up to the squad =/= a cap, only if they play.

Who isn't deserving of a call up in the squad?

Hudson-Odoi? Done well for Chelsea in the Europa League and featured in the U-17 team that won their World Cup. I would think giving first team exposure to one of the most exciting youth prospects is a good thing and shouldn't be sneered at.

Rice? He was a shoe-in for a call up after declaring for England and has probably been West Ham's second best player after Anderson.

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Re: England - the future....

by John Smith » 19 Mar 2019 17:00

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John Smith I see caps are still being given out like proverbial confetti.

Who isn't deserving of a call up in the squad?

Hudson-Odoi?

He's play 8 senior games in his career.

EIGHT. WHOLE CAREER.

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Re: England - the future....

by Hendo » 19 Mar 2019 17:08

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John Smith I see caps are still being given out like proverbial confetti.

Who isn't deserving of a call up in the squad?

Hudson-Odoi?

He's play 8 senior games in his career.

EIGHT. WHOLE CAREER.


And?

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/news/story/_/id/1515804/sir-matt-busby

If they are good enough, they are old enough.


Who would you call up instead?

He might've played more than 8 if he didn't have a stubborn club manager.

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Re: England - the future....

by Hoop Blah » 19 Mar 2019 17:57

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John Smith I see caps are still being given out like proverbial confetti.

Who isn't deserving of a call up in the squad?

Hudson-Odoi?

He's play 8 senior games in his career.

EIGHT. WHOLE CAREER.


No he hasn't, he's made 19 appearances this season alone, scoring 4 goals and being pretty impressive at the same time.

Jadon Sancho hadn't played much more, if at all, at the time of his call up in October and he's looked like a very sensible call up with what he can add to the squad.


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Re: England - the future....

by Stranded » 21 Mar 2019 11:47

If there are pull-outs would much rather a manager pulls in young players who are likely to have a long term future around the squad (even if they are a bit low on minutes) rather than going back to old disguarded names.

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by Hendo » 21 Mar 2019 11:50

Stranded If there are pull-outs would much rather a manager pulls in young players who are likely to have a long term future around the squad (even if they are a bit low on minutes) rather than going back to old disguarded names.


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Re: England - the future....

by Hoop Blah » 21 Mar 2019 13:57

Trent Alexander-Arnold another one who has had to pull out (yesterday) through injury. No further replacement called up as far as I've seen.

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Re: England - the future....

by Silver Fox » 21 Mar 2019 16:17

Finally Southgate listens to John smith's valuable advice


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Re: England - the future....

by Hoop Blah » 22 Mar 2019 11:25

Interesting* question I heard put forward this week...

Where would this England team finish if they were in the Premier League.

I think they'd be in the top 4, but not quite good enough to challenge City and Liverpool for the title with the current goalkeeper and central midfield options.

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by Old Man Andrews » 22 Mar 2019 11:44

Hoop Blah Interesting* question I heard put forward this week...

Where would this England team finish if they were in the Premier League.

I think they'd be in the top 4, but not quite good enough to challenge City and Liverpool for the title with the current goalkeeper and central midfield options.


They'd win the league. England would take a lot of good players from the top 4 sides leaving them short.

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Re: England - the future....

by Old Man Andrews » 23 Mar 2019 02:06

Delighted for Sterling. To beat the Czech Rupublic 5-0 is no mean feat.

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Re: England - the future....

by Snowflake Royal » 23 Mar 2019 09:12

Barkley really made a difference. Upped the tempo of the passing and drove forward well. They were very pedestrian that first 15-20 minutes.

England clearly the better side, but 5-0 was a bit flattering, a fair slice of fortune in several of the goals.


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by Victor Meldrew » 23 Mar 2019 11:51

Snowflake Royal Barkley really made a difference. Upped the tempo of the passing and drove forward well. They were very pedestrian that first 15-20 minutes.

England clearly the better side, but 5-0 was a bit flattering, a fair slice of fortune in several of the goals.


A good start to the campaign.
The result was very much built around those who are now established in the side, Henderson, Kane and Sterling.
The only downside was Walker showing us yet again what a terrible defender he is even against lesser sides but fortunately we have the young full-backs from Liverpool and Palace who are surely the future.

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Re: England - the future....

by Royal Rother » 23 Mar 2019 12:19

Sancho could actually be on the path to greatness in a way no-one British has been since Gascoigne.

Let’s hope he isn’t a complete and utter dickhead as well and can complete the journey.

It seems daft to say it but with the ridiculous amount of emerging / developing young talent at our disposal, we really should be favourites for the next 2 tournaments.

Sterling, Kane, Rashford, Sancho, Hudson-Odoi..... wow! No other country in the world except possibly France has the same depth of attacking talent.

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Re: England - the future....

by BR0B0T » 23 Mar 2019 12:55

Didn't watch the game but Henderson and Dier in midfield seems a bit shit

What do we have in the way of CB's and CM's coming through?

Seem a little light in that area

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by Victor Meldrew » 23 Mar 2019 12:57

Royal Rother Sancho could actually be on the path to greatness in a way no-one British has been since Gascoigne.

Let’s hope he isn’t a complete and utter dickhead as well and can complete the journey.

It seems daft to say it but with the ridiculous amount of emerging / developing young talent at our disposal, we really should be favourites for the next 2 tournaments.

Sterling, Kane, Rashford, Sancho, Hudson-Odoi..... wow! No other country in the world except possibly France has the same depth of attacking talent.



You may well be right but successful teams are not just a collection of individuals and whereas we seem to be producing quick forwards I don't see the keepers, central defenders and creative midfielders coming through at the same rate.

Good though to think in terms of England being a good attacking team when for much of our history we have been dour , hard-running sides lacking in creativity.

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Re: England - the future....

by Victor Meldrew » 23 Mar 2019 13:01

BR0B0T Didn't watch the game but Henderson and Dier in midfield seems a bit shit

What do we have in the way of CB's and CM's coming through?

Seem a little light in that area


Dier deliberately kicked a couple of theirs (doesn't he always) but came off worse when one of theirs kicked him.
IMHO Henderson was our best performer on the night barring Sterling.
He has improved under Klopp and is now a driving force for both club and country showing much more vision than in his earlier years when he looked the archetypal English midfield plodder.

Unfortunately he has become a bit injury-prone of late.

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Re: England - the future....

by Snowflake Royal » 23 Mar 2019 14:02

I thought Sancho looked like your classic quality but overhyped starlet destined to be the enemy in two / three years time

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Re: England - the future....

by Royal Rother » 23 Mar 2019 17:06

Much the same as Ronaldo looked in his 1st 50 games for Man Utd.

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