by Snowball » 10 May 2019 21:36
by URZZZZ » 10 May 2019 21:47
by Cape Town Royal » 10 May 2019 21:48
The CubeCape Town RoyalSCIAG Started off by saying that Carrick and older Scholes would have had better careers if the English weren't so obsessed with blood-and-thunder tackling, then this:
"I don't think tackling is a quality. It is a recurso, something you have to resort to, not a characteristic of your game. At Liverpool I used to read the matchday programme and you'd read an interview with a lad from the youth team. They'd ask: age, heroes, strong points, etc. He'd reply: 'Shooting and tackling'. I can't get into my head that football development would educate tackling as a quality, something to learn, to teach, a characteristic of your play. How can that be a way of seeing the game? I just don't understand football in those terms. Tackling is a [last] resort, and you will need it, but it isn't a quality to aspire to, a definition. It's hard to change because it's so rooted in the English football culture, but I don't understand it."
That was back when Spanish players were cool, but now English players are cool so who cares.
Maybe mr Alonso never got to see Spanish defenders such as Gentile when he was growing up. Spanish defenders in the late 70's and 80's were some of the most cynical I ever saw.
Was that during the period when they merged with Italy?
by Oilroyal » 11 May 2019 07:35
Snowball Quote
Players too good /would be silly to move on
Chris Gunter - experienced and dependable back up - should not sell
Garath McCleary - experienced and dependable back up - should not sell
These would be at the top of my sell list, not because I don't like them but they are on very good wages and neither are "for the future"
by Hound » 11 May 2019 07:41
by Snowflake Royal » 11 May 2019 08:01
Hound Very optimistic as mentioned of some of those prices, but if we let Nova go for £1m would be very disappointed
by Snowball » 11 May 2019 10:15
OilroyalSnowball Quote
Players too good /would be silly to move on
Chris Gunter - experienced and dependable back up - should not sell
Garath McCleary - experienced and dependable back up - should not sell
These would be at the top of my sell list, not because I don't like them but they are on very good wages and neither are "for the future"
Interesting how different we all see things.
Whether Gunts and Gmac stay or not, I marked them both as “experienced and dependable back-ups”. And personally, I think they do have role to play in the future of this club. Cannot understand why any fan would object to having these two involved in helping the youngsters come through as both have been loyal, and both are model professionals. Both could have a very important role in shaping the future of this club.
by Hound » 11 May 2019 10:24
by Oilroyal » 11 May 2019 10:49
by Zip » 11 May 2019 11:27
Oilroyal I think it’s down to both players to decide as both are still under contract.
Gmac’s is 32 in a few days and Gunter turns 30 this July. Do they look for one last move this summer, or do they stay and contribute both on and off the pitch and then leave on a free in 12 months. Or does the club recognise that they could offer us more than just players coming to the end of their careers and more than a quick cash in opportunity? Should we not consider developing them into player/coach/backroom roles within the next 2 years? As I’ve said before, both have given a lot to the club over the years. And Gunter being the most capped international in history of the Welsh team should speak volumes. We should be looking to develop both players into something more than just another couple of players we’ve move on. Afterall, building a team is about hearts and minds and club values. If I was in their position, I would be looking to develop my career with this club after my playing days. And working out of the new Bearwood facility would appeal to most. I have a feeling both will be here after the summer.
by 72 bus » 11 May 2019 11:32
Oilroyal I think it’s down to both players to decide as both are still under contract.
Gmac’s is 32 in a few days and Gunter turns 30 this July. Do they look for one last move this summer, or do they stay and contribute both on and off the pitch and then leave on a free in 12 months. Or does the club recognise that they could offer us more than just players coming to the end of their careers and more than a quick cash in opportunity? Should we not consider developing them into player/coach/backroom roles within the next 2 years? As I’ve said before, both have given a lot to the club over the years. And Gunter being the most capped international in history of the Welsh team should speak volumes. We should be looking to develop both players into something more than just another couple of players we’ve move on. Afterall, building a team is about hearts and minds and club values. If I was in their position, I would be looking to develop my career with this club after my playing days. And working out of the new Bearwood facility would appeal to most. I have a feeling both will be here after the summer.
by Snowflake Royal » 11 May 2019 11:33
by Ryucoo » 11 May 2019 11:41
by muirinho » 11 May 2019 12:00
ZipOilroyal I think it’s down to both players to decide as both are still under contract.
Gmac’s is 32 in a few days and Gunter turns 30 this July. Do they look for one last move this summer, or do they stay and contribute both on and off the pitch and then leave on a free in 12 months. Or does the club recognise that they could offer us more than just players coming to the end of their careers and more than a quick cash in opportunity? Should we not consider developing them into player/coach/backroom roles within the next 2 years? As I’ve said before, both have given a lot to the club over the years. And Gunter being the most capped international in history of the Welsh team should speak volumes. We should be looking to develop both players into something more than just another couple of players we’ve move on. Afterall, building a team is about hearts and minds and club values. If I was in their position, I would be looking to develop my career with this club after my playing days. And working out of the new Bearwood facility would appeal to most. I have a feeling both will be here after the summer.
Agree with this. There are plenty of players we can move on who are barely involved in the match day squad. These two may not be automatic starters but they play a part. They are highly experienced. We need balance. It can't just be about bringing in our academy players alongside three or four senior pros. We do need to keep a number of senior pros.
As you say they may have a role to play on the coaching side going forward too.
by Oilroyal » 11 May 2019 12:10
by Zip » 11 May 2019 14:11
muirinhoZipOilroyal I think it’s down to both players to decide as both are still under contract.
Gmac’s is 32 in a few days and Gunter turns 30 this July. Do they look for one last move this summer, or do they stay and contribute both on and off the pitch and then leave on a free in 12 months. Or does the club recognise that they could offer us more than just players coming to the end of their careers and more than a quick cash in opportunity? Should we not consider developing them into player/coach/backroom roles within the next 2 years? As I’ve said before, both have given a lot to the club over the years. And Gunter being the most capped international in history of the Welsh team should speak volumes. We should be looking to develop both players into something more than just another couple of players we’ve move on. Afterall, building a team is about hearts and minds and club values. If I was in their position, I would be looking to develop my career with this club after my playing days. And working out of the new Bearwood facility would appeal to most. I have a feeling both will be here after the summer.
Agree with this. There are plenty of players we can move on who are barely involved in the match day squad. These two may not be automatic starters but they play a part. They are highly experienced. We need balance. It can't just be about bringing in our academy players alongside three or four senior pros. We do need to keep a number of senior pros.
As you say they may have a role to play on the coaching side going forward too.
I like both McCleary and Gunter. (Note McCleary got 4 assists this season which is decent in comparison to many of the other midfielders). They are certainly good enough to play a part next season.
BUT if they are both on big salaries, I would still let them go, if possible.
Andy Yiadom and Liam Moore are not young, in footballing terms. They are both experienced players. Also, if we *still* need experience, I'm sure we can get experience at a cheaper rate than what McCleary and Gunter are reported to be on.
If you want coaches, get in coaching staff, they are cheaper. If either wants to move into coaching, let them finish up playing, and go and do their badges, and then look to see if they want to come back.
We don't have enough money to be subisdising rich players' coaching apprenticeships.
by muirinho » 11 May 2019 14:27
ZipmuirinhoZip
Agree with this. There are plenty of players we can move on who are barely involved in the match day squad. These two may not be automatic starters but they play a part. They are highly experienced. We need balance. It can't just be about bringing in our academy players alongside three or four senior pros. We do need to keep a number of senior pros.
As you say they may have a role to play on the coaching side going forward too.
I like both McCleary and Gunter. (Note McCleary got 4 assists this season which is decent in comparison to many of the other midfielders). They are certainly good enough to play a part next season.
BUT if they are both on big salaries, I would still let them go, if possible.
Andy Yiadom and Liam Moore are not young, in footballing terms. They are both experienced players. Also, if we *still* need experience, I'm sure we can get experience at a cheaper rate than what McCleary and Gunter are reported to be on.
If you want coaches, get in coaching staff, they are cheaper. If either wants to move into coaching, let them finish up playing, and go and do their badges, and then look to see if they want to come back.
We don't have enough money to be subisdising rich players' coaching apprenticeships.
I think there may be some overstating how much Gunter and McCleary are on. They both have one year left on their deals. We may not be able to bring in replacements for them without paying a transfer fee. Any half decent replacement will want to be on decent wages as well so any savings made by moving them on will not amount to much.
by Snowflake Royal » 11 May 2019 16:44
ZipmuirinhoZip
Agree with this. There are plenty of players we can move on who are barely involved in the match day squad. These two may not be automatic starters but they play a part. They are highly experienced. We need balance. It can't just be about bringing in our academy players alongside three or four senior pros. We do need to keep a number of senior pros.
As you say they may have a role to play on the coaching side going forward too.
I like both McCleary and Gunter. (Note McCleary got 4 assists this season which is decent in comparison to many of the other midfielders). They are certainly good enough to play a part next season.
BUT if they are both on big salaries, I would still let them go, if possible.
Andy Yiadom and Liam Moore are not young, in footballing terms. They are both experienced players. Also, if we *still* need experience, I'm sure we can get experience at a cheaper rate than what McCleary and Gunter are reported to be on.
If you want coaches, get in coaching staff, they are cheaper. If either wants to move into coaching, let them finish up playing, and go and do their badges, and then look to see if they want to come back.
We don't have enough money to be subisdising rich players' coaching apprenticeships.
I think there may be some overstating how much Gunter and McCleary are on. They both have one year left on their deals. We may not be able to bring in replacements for them without paying a transfer fee. Any half decent replacement will want to be on decent wages as well so any savings made by moving them on will not amount to much.
by stealthpapes » 14 May 2019 09:38
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