by Hendo » 14 May 2019 16:04
by Zip » 14 May 2019 17:21
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Players too good /would be silly to move on
Chris Gunter - experienced and dependable back up - should not sell
Garath McCleary - experienced and dependable back up - should not sell
These would be at the top of my sell list, not because I don't like them but they are on very good wages and neither are "for the future"
Interesting how different we all see things.
Whether Gunts and Gmac stay or not, I marked them both as “experienced and dependable back-ups”. And personally, I think they do have role to play in the future of this club. Cannot understand why any fan would object to having these two involved in helping the youngsters come through as both have been loyal, and both are model professionals. Both could have a very important role in shaping the future of this club.
If money were no object, sure, but they will be relatively big earners, on too much to be mere back up.
The top eleven earners should be the first eleven, surely?
by URZZZZ » 15 May 2019 00:20
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Interesting how different we all see things.
Whether Gunts and Gmac stay or not, I marked them both as “experienced and dependable back-ups”. And personally, I think they do have role to play in the future of this club. Cannot understand why any fan would object to having these two involved in helping the youngsters come through as both have been loyal, and both are model professionals. Both could have a very important role in shaping the future of this club.
If money were no object, sure, but they will be relatively big earners, on too much to be mere back up.
The top eleven earners should be the first eleven, surely?
The first eleven is inter-changeable. Gunter was in the starting 11 for most of the final run in. Yiadom is a nailed on starter at full-back. Is Blackett? Not sure he is. Not much between him and Gunter.
by Royalwaster » 15 May 2019 09:13
by CountryRoyal » 15 May 2019 12:01
Royalwaster Yeah as long as the team can't cross from his side ... as Gunter seems incapable of blocking crosses.
by muirinho » 15 May 2019 13:42
CountryRoyalRoyalwaster Yeah as long as the team can't cross from his side ... as Gunter seems incapable of blocking crosses.
Boro away at the end of the season was absolutely peak Gunter. Was a positional horror show was miles away from where he needed to be almost all the time and every single attack pretty much came down his side. Shocking defender, I honestly have no clue how half the fan base don’t see it and if someone oxf*rd says “x managers can’t be wrong, Wales record cap holder” blah blah suck a dick. He’s shit, end of.
by URZZZZ » 15 May 2019 13:49
muirinhoCountryRoyalRoyalwaster Yeah as long as the team can't cross from his side ... as Gunter seems incapable of blocking crosses.
Boro away at the end of the season was absolutely peak Gunter. Was a positional horror show was miles away from where he needed to be almost all the time and every single attack pretty much came down his side. Shocking defender, I honestly have no clue how half the fan base don’t see it and if someone oxf*rd says “x managers can’t be wrong, Wales record cap holder” blah blah suck a dick. He’s shit, end of.
amazing how he managed to get in 4 clearances (same as Yids) seeing he was always in the wrong place.... Could it be that you only noticed what he did wrong?
by muirinho » 15 May 2019 14:07
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Boro away at the end of the season was absolutely peak Gunter. Was a positional horror show was miles away from where he needed to be almost all the time and every single attack pretty much came down his side. Shocking defender, I honestly have no clue how half the fan base don’t see it and if someone oxf*rd says “x managers can’t be wrong, Wales record cap holder” blah blah suck a dick. He’s shit, end of.
amazing how he managed to get in 4 clearances (same as Yids) seeing he was always in the wrong place.... Could it be that you only noticed what he did wrong?
I'm not particularly a Gunter fan or a Gunter knocker but he was abject in the first half that day. Backed off and off his man and both goals came down from his flank with not enough pressure on his man. Slightly better in the second half but it was generally a poor performance from Mr Gunter that day
Interesting you compared it to Yiadom that day considering he was poor that day as well
by Snowflake Royal » 15 May 2019 14:09
by URZZZZ » 18 May 2019 02:53
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amazing how he managed to get in 4 clearances (same as Yids) seeing he was always in the wrong place.... Could it be that you only noticed what he did wrong?
I'm not particularly a Gunter fan or a Gunter knocker but he was abject in the first half that day. Backed off and off his man and both goals came down from his flank with not enough pressure on his man. Slightly better in the second half but it was generally a poor performance from Mr Gunter that day
Interesting you compared it to Yiadom that day considering he was poor that day as well
My point was he wasn't abjectly worse than Yiadom that game. It wasn't actually a good day for any of the team - pretty much the only bright spark was the Loader goal. But CR used that game to pick out Gunter to say he's useless, with no mention of anyone else. i.e., typical of having a blind-spot when it comes to a specific player. So, maybe the part of the fanbase (and yes, all of the managers) that "don't see it" are actually slightly more balanced in their views.
by URZZZZ » 18 May 2019 03:01
Snowflake Royal Counting clearances is a fooking awful way of assessing how good someone is with positioning and cross stopping anyway.
Well, technically if you're there to make a clearance, you tend to be in the right position. Right? Wouldn't say it's a great stat but it's not "fooking awful" IMO. But then again, I find stats on individual players can be really non-conclusive as there's so many factors to take into account when looking at them
The only things Gunter is better at than Blackett is fitness and concentration.
Consistency
Better reader of the game
Scores more (although something like 2 goals to 0 in three seasons)
They could all be argued
Don't think Blackett and Gunter need a comparison. They're both useful players with strengths as well as flaws. Both can be used in different scenarios (hence Gunter >Blackett vs Brentford but Blackett >Gunter vs West Brom) etc...With Yiadom on one side, and these two rotating on the other, we have two capable fullbacks at all times. Of course it's all about opinions and Gunter frustrates the hell out of me sometimes with his negativity but he's still a useful player to have around the squad
by From Despair To Where? » 18 May 2019 08:48
by Snowflake Royal » 18 May 2019 09:58
by From Despair To Where? » 18 May 2019 10:33
by Snowflake Royal » 18 May 2019 10:37
From Despair To Where? I can still see Gunter as a starter in the Championship in the right team. He's an established international, the right side of 30 (just) and has had a relatively injury free career. As you say, he's a safe player. Wouldn't surprise me if he went back to Cardiff.
McCleary is 32 and is coming off 18 months of injury that have robbed him of his explosiveness. I don't think another Championship club would take him and he's too expensive for league 1.
by Nameless » 18 May 2019 20:47
Snowflake RoyalFrom Despair To Where? I can still see Gunter as a starter in the Championship in the right team. He's an established international, the right side of 30 (just) and has had a relatively injury free career. As you say, he's a safe player. Wouldn't surprise me if he went back to Cardiff.
McCleary is 32 and is coming off 18 months of injury that have robbed him of his explosiveness. I don't think another Championship club would take him and he's too expensive for league 1.
Can't see him being Warnock's sort of player. I could see him at a promoted club or a Brum / QPR / Wigan sort of team
by Snowflake Royal » 18 May 2019 21:51
NamelessSnowflake RoyalFrom Despair To Where? I can still see Gunter as a starter in the Championship in the right team. He's an established international, the right side of 30 (just) and has had a relatively injury free career. As you say, he's a safe player. Wouldn't surprise me if he went back to Cardiff.
McCleary is 32 and is coming off 18 months of injury that have robbed him of his explosiveness. I don't think another Championship club would take him and he's too expensive for league 1.
Can't see him being Warnock's sort of player. I could see him at a promoted club or a Brum / QPR / Wigan sort of team
So a team quite like us then ?
by bcubed » 19 May 2019 10:15
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amazing how he managed to get in 4 clearances (same as Yids) seeing he was always in the wrong place.... Could it be that you only noticed what he did wrong?
I'm not particularly a Gunter fan or a Gunter knocker but he was abject in the first half that day. Backed off and off his man and both goals came down from his flank with not enough pressure on his man. Slightly better in the second half but it was generally a poor performance from Mr Gunter that day
Interesting you compared it to Yiadom that day considering he was poor that day as well
My point was he wasn't abjectly worse than Yiadom that game. It wasn't actually a good day for any of the team - pretty much the only bright spark was the Loader goal. But CR used that game to pick out Gunter to say he's useless, with no mention of anyone else. i.e., typical of having a blind-spot when it comes to a specific player. So, maybe the part of the fanbase (and yes, all of the managers) that "don't see it" are actually slightly more balanced in their views.
by Snowflake Royal » 19 May 2019 12:10
by muirinho » 19 May 2019 16:36
Snowflake Royal If Obita can recover and refind his form I can't think of a time when we'd be better stocked at full back. Individual quality in first choice may not be up to our highest standards, but Yiadom and Obita with Gunter, Blackett, Richards, Watson and Howe is an overabundance of strength in depth worthy of a title winning side.
Way more than we need and an easy area to cut costs without harming performance if we can more a few on, especially for last fee and at the higher wage range.
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