CONFIMRED José Gomes

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Re: CONFIMRED José Gomes

by Stranded » 14 Jan 2019 09:49

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I get your stance, I defy anyone to say they weren't baffled by the appointment.....however he seems to bring way more positivity than Clement did and if he does pull off the great escape then clearly sacking the last two was the right decision. Clement could never have achieved keeping us up.


Clement had actually managed to get us in a reasonable shape prior to his sacking. Considering players available for selection. Gomes team looks little different to what Clements formation had evolved into. Seemingly immediately relegating Aluko and Kelly from the starting 11.

Thought Saturdays subs were interesting. Would have expected more defensive ones to secure the points.


Formation may be similar but the way of playing is different and much more positive than we were playing under Clement. Not saying PC wouldn't have evolved to be more positive but Gomes has made that change immediately.

I think one thing worth noting is a couple of players coming out and saying they are enjoying themselves more now - whether that is due to Gomes' training techniques or any "bad apples" being removed from the sqaud remains to be seen but the players, to date certainly seem to have bought into Gomes more than any other manager in recent times (perhaps with the exception of Stam in his first season).

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Re: CONFIMRED José Gomes

by Snowball » 14 Jan 2019 10:24

Two words, IMO, "driving forward"


More words. More players will carry the ball when there's space,
and very often at space. Rhino, most games, McCleary this weekend

It seems they are rekindling the Williams factor but not with just one player.

Not sure if other sides are setting up differently or whether we were ignoring
the spaces under Stam (2) and Clement.

Saturday, McLeary drove hard towards the box. He looked like he'd become
suddenly aware he is going to have to fight for his place

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Re: CONFIMRED José Gomes

by 2 world wars, 1 world cup » 14 Jan 2019 13:15

Snowball Two words, IMO, "driving forward"


More words. More players will carry the ball when there's space,
and very often at space. Rhino, most games, McCleary this weekend

It seems they are rekindling the Williams factor but not with just one player.

Not sure if other sides are setting up differently or whether we were ignoring
the spaces under Stam (2) and Clement.

Saturday, McLeary drove hard towards the box. He looked like he'd become
suddenly aware he is going to have to fight for his place


Agreed. Mac did drive forward well, yeah. I hope he'd do that against 11 men too.

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Re: CONFIMRED José Gomes

by sandman » 14 Jan 2019 13:51

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I get your stance, I defy anyone to say they weren't baffled by the appointment.....however he seems to bring way more positivity than Clement did and if he does pull off the great escape then clearly sacking the last two was the right decision. Clement could never have achieved keeping us up.


Clement had actually managed to get us in a reasonable shape prior to his sacking. Considering players available for selection. Gomes team looks little different to what Clements formation had evolved into. Seemingly immediately relegating Aluko and Kelly from the starting 11.

Thought Saturdays subs were interesting. Would have expected more defensive ones to secure the points.


Formation may be similar but the way of playing is different and much more positive than we were playing under Clement. Not saying PC wouldn't have evolved to be more positive but Gomes has made that change immediately.

I think one thing worth noting is a couple of players coming out and saying they are enjoying themselves more now - whether that is due to Gomes' training techniques or any "bad apples" being removed from the sqaud remains to be seen but the players, to date certainly seem to have bought into Gomes more than any other manager in recent times (perhaps with the exception of Stam in his first season).


I'd agree the style of play is different, more passing orientated, but I wouldn't say we're "more positive". Can only think of Birmingham away where we went really negative and reverted to ponderous Stam ball at the back. Also Millwall at home where we defended for most of the game.

We pretty much always tried to go forward with Clement as manager.

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Re: CONFIMRED José Gomes

by Maneki Neko » 14 Jan 2019 14:15

the one thing I can determine from what Ive seen of both managers, and the way they speak/what they say

id be far more likely to follow JG into battle than PC


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Re: CONFIMRED José Gomes

by Platypuss » 14 Jan 2019 14:32

Lower West Thought Saturdays subs were interesting. Would have expected more defensive ones to secure the points.


Glad he didn't - the most crowd-pleasing and positive way to secure the points against 10 men is to get more goals.

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Re: CONFIMRED José Gomes

by Denver Royal » 14 Jan 2019 14:37

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Lower West Thought Saturdays subs were interesting. Would have expected more defensive ones to secure the points.

Glad he didn't - the most crowd-pleasing and positive way to secure the points against 10 men is to get more goals.

Nah, maybe a few more defenders would have better enabled us to keep possession, pass it around at the back, etc. The crowd would have understood. :wink:

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Re: CONFIMRED José Gomes

by Snowball » 14 Jan 2019 15:34

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Lower West Thought Saturdays subs were interesting. Would have expected more defensive ones to secure the points.


Glad he didn't - the most crowd-pleasing and positive way to secure the points against 10 men is to get more goals.



Not sure, but you just might be on to something...

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Re: CONFIMRED José Gomes

by winchester_royal » 14 Jan 2019 15:56

There is also the (strong) argument that the best way to defend a lead is to ensure you still have impetus going forwards. The moment you bring on a load of defenders you start inviting pressure.


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Re: CONFIMRED José Gomes

by Forbury Lion » 14 Jan 2019 17:14

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Lower West Thought Saturdays subs were interesting. Would have expected more defensive ones to secure the points.


Glad he didn't - the most crowd-pleasing and positive way to secure the points against 10 men is to get more goals.
Considering we were relegated on a goal difference not so long ago, the more goals the merrier.

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Re: CONFIMRED José Gomes

by Snowflake Royal » 14 Jan 2019 17:34

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Snowball Two words, IMO, "driving forward"


More words. More players will carry the ball when there's space,
and very often at space. Rhino, most games, McCleary this weekend

It seems they are rekindling the Williams factor but not with just one player.

Not sure if other sides are setting up differently or whether we were ignoring
the spaces under Stam (2) and Clement.

Saturday, McLeary drove hard towards the box. He looked like he'd become
suddenly aware he is going to have to fight for his place


Agreed. Mac did drive forward well, yeah. I hope he'd do that against 11 men too.

I've thought G has been pretty positive since he came back in, if not necessarily successfully.

Rino and Dr Bacuna in the same midfield helps because both can and do carry it forward. Plus Bod also helps, having a genuine focal point .makes all the difference.

It's no coincidence IMO that having a proper fit senior striker back has helped us look more like scoring, as we did when he and Meite were amongst the goals earlier on.

. And with Swift back where he's best rather than fart arsing in the middle of the pitch and springing opposition counter attacks on us it also helps.

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