Getting Gomes off the wage-bill and making an internal appointment - will certainly help the books!Old Man Andrews wrote:Nothing to do with it.hughsies no.1 wrote:IF it is Bowen, surely has to be down to FFP.
Getting Gomes off the wage-bill and making an internal appointment - will certainly help the books!Old Man Andrews wrote:Nothing to do with it.hughsies no.1 wrote:IF it is Bowen, surely has to be down to FFP.
has the feel of a short term punt whilst waiting for the real target to come in next summer to me2 world wars, 1 world cup wrote:If true, can't help being disappointed. But that's probably a good thing as I was equally disappointed with McGhee, Quinn/Gooding, McDermott, Pardewpaultheroyal wrote:With Bowen now at odds of 1/12 - that would tell you its a done deal. Nearest is Sherwood at 12s.
Tell you what, he must rate himself and got a magic wand because he has put himself under an enormous amount of pressure from the get go. Executioner turned manager rolled into one. Good luck with that.
Maybe he knows something, maybe he is that confident we are all in for a pleasant surprise.
Will have the continuity, knows the players. Will hopefully bring in a decent coaching team.
But yeah you're right, will be under significant pressure for sure.
Its a total stitch up Hound, its worrying. I won't be throwing my toys out of the pram just yet as Bowen hasn't even taken the reigns yet but the whole thing just doesn't sit right with me. I have this vision of him going to our owners with a powerpoint presentation of how he would do a better job than Gomes and them buying it, I don't really trust the owners judgement on footballing matters at all.Hound wrote:You'd go for Ainsworth OMA?Old Man Andrews wrote:This is the part about it I don't like. I would rather someone came in who didn't know the players and makea new assesment of them, some of them think they are still on holiday and haven't started the season yet. We needed someone like Gareth Ainsworth to come in and remotivate them and give them some belief. He is a proven excellent man manager.2 world wars, 1 world cup wrote:
If true, can't help being disappointed. But that's probably a good thing as I was equally disappointed with McGhee, Quinn/Gooding, McDermott, Pardew
Will have the continuity, knows the players. Will hopefully bring in a decent coaching team.
But yeah you're right, will be under significant pressure for sure.
I'm happy to give Bowen a chance. Certainly pressure will be on, but he must have seen things he thinks he can do a lot better than were being done before. Guessing he'll bring in his old coaching team so will have plenty of experience. A few of us did give him some credit for our improved displays after he joined the club last year, so there are signs he may be ok
Wonder who will take over as DOF?
Mark HughesHound wrote:Old Man Andrews wrote:This is the part about it I don't like. I would rather someone came in who didn't know the players and makea new assesment of them, some of them think they are still on holiday and haven't started the season yet. We needed someone like Gareth Ainsworth to come in and remotivate them and give them some belief. He is a proven excellent man manager.2 world wars, 1 world cup wrote:
If true, can't help being disappointed. But that's probably a good thing as I was equally disappointed with McGhee, Quinn/Gooding, McDermott, Pardew
Will have the continuity, knows the players. Will hopefully bring in a decent coaching team.
But yeah you're right, will be under significant pressure for sure.
Wonder who will take over as DOF?
Don’t think it’d be down to FFP to be honest. What I don’t understand is that if it’s Bowen, why didn’t they just announce it when Gomes was fired? Unless they thought they were getting someone else in and they turned them downhughsies no.1 wrote:IF it is Bowen, surely has to be down to FFP.
Also throws into question the Gomes sacking for me too, no secret that he was on a decent sum of money - obviously results didn't help his cause, but does make me think getting his salary off the books and appointing internally could make it a financial decision?
If Bowen does get the job, we obviously need to back him, regardless if we think it is the right appointment or not - perhaps an under-stated appointment may not be the worst thing?
wouldn't be surprised. Hughes obviously had his linksStranded wrote:Just a quick question but does anybody know if Mark Bowen has links to Kia Joorabchian i.e. does he retain him as an adviser/agent?
Any new manager deserves time no matter what we think of them. This could easily end up being a masterstroke.Gunny Fishcake wrote:If it is Bowen we’ve had some dreadful managerial appointments in the past but this takes the biscuit, no pun intended .
Club is a fcuking shambles
Maybe the final straw that’s broken the supporters backs
Shirley if its Bowen they would have announced it now....It would be a straight forward appointment. The guy will never get a better chance for a first team job so its not like money or terms would be the issue.URZZZZ wrote:Don’t think it’d be down to FFP to be honest. What I don’t understand is that if it’s Bowen, why didn’t they just announce it when Gomes was fired? Unless they thought they were getting someone else in and they turned them downhughsies no.1 wrote:IF it is Bowen, surely has to be down to FFP.
Also throws into question the Gomes sacking for me too, no secret that he was on a decent sum of money - obviously results didn't help his cause, but does make me think getting his salary off the books and appointing internally could make it a financial decision?
If Bowen does get the job, we obviously need to back him, regardless if we think it is the right appointment or not - perhaps an under-stated appointment may not be the worst thing?
Don’t think it’s going to be anyone’s first choice, but may as well support them, whoever they are
Why would they need to announce it instantly? The players would know and a lot of them are on international duty anyway so it may well be a case of waiting for them to all get back so the playing staff can be told collectively before the media are informed officially.Ascotexgunner wrote:Shirley if its Bowen they would have announced it now....It would be a straight forward appointment. The guy will never get a better chance for a first team job so its not like money or terms would be the issue.URZZZZ wrote:Don’t think it’d be down to FFP to be honest. What I don’t understand is that if it’s Bowen, why didn’t they just announce it when Gomes was fired? Unless they thought they were getting someone else in and they turned them downhughsies no.1 wrote:IF it is Bowen, surely has to be down to FFP.
Also throws into question the Gomes sacking for me too, no secret that he was on a decent sum of money - obviously results didn't help his cause, but does make me think getting his salary off the books and appointing internally could make it a financial decision?
If Bowen does get the job, we obviously need to back him, regardless if we think it is the right appointment or not - perhaps an under-stated appointment may not be the worst thing?
Don’t think it’s going to be anyone’s first choice, but may as well support them, whoever they are
Being a good DoF is not a good basis for becoming a manager. Completely different roles and skill sets. Did we ever experiment with Hammond?Hound wrote:wouldn't be surprised. Hughes obviously had his linksStranded wrote:Just a quick question but does anybody know if Mark Bowen has links to Kia Joorabchian i.e. does he retain him as an adviser/agent?
In terms of being a stitch up - maybe. On the other hand, Howe may well have been very impressed actually seeing him in action as DoF. Maybe he has got far more confidence in him than he did in Gomes. I'm assuming he is the one advising the owners
I hear you. Fair argument. I guess it's pluses and minuses isn't it. On the one hand a fresh approach can be helpful for the reasons you mention but I was just saying there is a positive element to having some sort of continuity/ knowing the players. Whether that mitigates not having a fresh look, I don't know.Old Man Andrews wrote:This is the part about it I don't like. I would rather someone came in who didn't know the players and makea new assesment of them, some of them think they are still on holiday and haven't started the season yet. We needed someone like Gareth Ainsworth to come in and remotivate them and give them some belief. He is a proven excellent man manager.2 world wars, 1 world cup wrote:If true, can't help being disappointed. But that's probably a good thing as I was equally disappointed with McGhee, Quinn/Gooding, McDermott, Pardewpaultheroyal wrote:With Bowen now at odds of 1/12 - that would tell you its a done deal. Nearest is Sherwood at 12s.
Tell you what, he must rate himself and got a magic wand because he has put himself under an enormous amount of pressure from the get go. Executioner turned manager rolled into one. Good luck with that.
Maybe he knows something, maybe he is that confident we are all in for a pleasant surprise.
Will have the continuity, knows the players. Will hopefully bring in a decent coaching team.
But yeah you're right, will be under significant pressure for sure.
yeah I know. Trying to look for the positivesWestYorksRoyal wrote:Being a good DoF is not a good basis for becoming a manager. Completely different roles and skill sets. Did we ever experiment with Hammond?Hound wrote:wouldn't be surprised. Hughes obviously had his linksStranded wrote:Just a quick question but does anybody know if Mark Bowen has links to Kia Joorabchian i.e. does he retain him as an adviser/agent?
In terms of being a stitch up - maybe. On the other hand, Howe may well have been very impressed actually seeing him in action as DoF. Maybe he has got far more confidence in him than he did in Gomes. I'm assuming he is the one advising the owners
I don't know what to think really. It could work, internal appointments have been effective in the past. It just doesn't feel right. Bowen was heavily involved in the decision to sack Gomes; there's something grating about seeing him take on the role himself.
He is a good coach and manager though, has done reasonably well everywhere he has been.NewCorkSeth wrote:Wasnt Clarke rated highly as a coach? Doesnt guarentee being a good or even decent manager.
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