Rival Watch

[Zip]

.....higher.....higher

Easy ride for Wooney now...stay up....hero....relegated....everybody else's fault.

dare I say I've been quite impressed with Rooney's handling of it so far?

He’s done well.

[Pepe the Horseman]

.....higher.....higher

Easy ride for Wooney now...stay up....hero....relegated....everybody else's fault.

dare I say I've been quite impressed with Rooney's handling of it so far?

He’s done well.

Yep, I had my doubts about him, but doing a cracking job, all things considered.

[NathStPaul]

He is the right sort of manager for them in their current state. He is a fighter and a scrapper, he's got that will to win that must inspire the players in the squad. Can't knock him this season.

[Silver Fox]

Derby officially enter administration and have been deducted 12 points.

It’s not stopping there either. Players have been asked to defer a third of their wages while the administrators seek to sort some of the mess out and find new owners (can’t imagine a name like Derby will have to wait too long for new owners to be found though).

However, not only do they have another 9 point deduction in the offing, but Middlesbrough may start legal proceedings against Derby over their financial mismanagement which effectively saw ‘boro miss out on the play offs and lose out on the services of a couple of players through Derby offering deals that contributed to the mess they are now in (see story link below)

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/foo ... s-21660410

There would appear to be a prima facie case for Wycombe on that basis.

Doesn't this sort of thing always come up when someone is found guilty of shenanigans? And literally never comes to anything

[genome]

I don't think there's much of a case really as you can just say "well, you should've won some more games"

[WestYorksRoyal]

It’s not stopping there either. Players have been asked to defer a third of their wages while the administrators seek to sort some of the mess out and find new owners (can’t imagine a name like Derby will have to wait too long for new owners to be found though).

However, not only do they have another 9 point deduction in the offing, but Middlesbrough may start legal proceedings against Derby over their financial mismanagement which effectively saw ‘boro miss out on the play offs and lose out on the services of a couple of players through Derby offering deals that contributed to the mess they are now in (see story link below)

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/foo ... s-21660410

There would appear to be a prima facie case for Wycombe on that basis.

Doesn't this sort of thing always come up when someone is found guilty of shenanigans? And literally never comes to anything

Also, even if Boro and Wycombe are successful, they'll just be an unsecured creditor for a club in administration and will only get a fraction of anything they are awarded.

[Pepe the Horseman]

I don't think there's much of a case really as you can just say "well, you should've won some more games"

Yeh, always going to be pretty difficult to prove, but Boro have got a couple of specific examples where Derby paid way over the odds for players Boro were set to sign. So they could argue that had Derby not broken the rules, those players would have ended up at Boro, which would have provided a comfortable swing for them to make the POs. But then of course there's no guarantee they would have won the POs, so not sure what they're hoping to get out of it.

[SCIAG]

This week's Telegraph report also details how Derby hijacked Boro's move for striker Martyn Waghorn in 2018, paying double the fee that Boro had agreed and offering £10,000 a week more in wages.

An extra £10k a week at this level is a lot.

Glass houses ofc but unless boro were being extremely tight then Derby must have been paying well above the going rate.

[Vision]

I don't think there's much of a case really as you can just say "well, you should've won some more games"

Yeah, it's an unpopular take given how everyone loves Ainsworth but I can't help feeling that if there had been less of the "we're just happy to be here" from him at the start of the season they'd have given themselves a far better chance to stay up. The lower end of the championship really isn't all that and Wycombe proved in the second half of the season that they could more than live with those teams.

Just think they came in with an inferiority complex when they could've been riding the momentum of promotion.

[Snowflake Royal]

This week's Telegraph report also details how Derby hijacked Boro's move for striker Martyn Waghorn in 2018, paying double the fee that Boro had agreed and offering £10,000 a week more in wages.

An extra £10k a week at this level is a lot.

Glass houses ofc but unless boro were being extremely tight then Derby must have been paying well above the going rate.

And Waghorn is shit.

[Mid Sussex Royal]

QPR score in first min at WBA....strange to see QPR in blue and white hoops though - looks a clash on the tv

[Pepe the Horseman]

QPR score in first min at WBA....strange to see QPR in blue and white hoops though - looks a clash on the tv

They've worn blue and white hoops for years.

[Mid Sussex Royal]

QPR score in first min at WBA....strange to see QPR in blue and white hoops though - looks a clash on the tv

They've worn blue and white hoops for years.

But not in 1871

[Lower West]

It’s not stopping there either. Players have been asked to defer a third of their wages while the administrators seek to sort some of the mess out and find new owners (can’t imagine a name like Derby will have to wait too long for new owners to be found though).

However, not only do they have another 9 point deduction in the offing, but Middlesbrough may start legal proceedings against Derby over their financial mismanagement which effectively saw ‘boro miss out on the play offs and lose out on the services of a couple of players through Derby offering deals that contributed to the mess they are now in (see story link below)

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/foo ... s-21660410

There would appear to be a prima facie case for Wycombe on that basis.

Doesn't this sort of thing always come up when someone is found guilty of shenanigans? And literally never comes to anything

Action needs to be taken. Imposing the 3 points suspended next season would be a start. Derby heading for league 2 , who'd thought it was possible.

[WestYorksRoyal]

Looking at Derby's situation, I'm shocked the EFL haven't closed off the FFP loophole that allows owners to buy assets off their club. You just simply say it doesn't count as income in your FFP calculations. If these rules are about to be making clubs more sustainable, allowing owners to asset strip the club achieves the exact opposite

[From Despair To Where?]

This week's Telegraph report also details how Derby hijacked Boro's move for striker Martyn Waghorn in 2018, paying double the fee that Boro had agreed and offering £10,000 a week more in wages.

An extra £10k a week at this level is a lot.

Glass houses ofc but unless boro were being extremely tight then Derby must have been paying well above the going rate.

And Waghorn is shit.

If I was Boro, I'd consider that one a lucky escape and keep my mouth shut.

And whilst we're at it, is this a different Boro to the one that went into administration in the 80s and spent most of the 90s and the early part of this century spaffing the chairman's money on players they probably couldn't afford?

Should point out I have no axe to grind with Middlesbrough. Decent people up there and always a good away day.

[Mr Optimist]

I don't think there's much of a case really as you can just say "well, you should've won some more games"

Yeah, it's an unpopular take given how everyone loves Ainsworth but I can't help feeling that if there had been less of the "we're just happy to be here" from him at the start of the season they'd have given themselves a far better chance to stay up. The lower end of the championship really isn't all that and Wycombe proved in the second half of the season that they could more than live with those teams.

Just think they came in with an inferiority complex when they could've been riding the momentum of promotion.

Yeah that definitely, and I think the early season 5-0 goosing at Blackburn probably didn’t help their confidence at the start of the season either.

[Mr Optimist]

An extra £10k a week at this level is a lot.

Glass houses ofc but unless boro were being extremely tight then Derby must have been paying well above the going rate.

And Waghorn is shit.

If I was Boro, I'd consider that one a lucky escape and keep my mouth shut.

And whilst we're at it, is this a different Boro to the one that went into administration in the 80s and spent most of the 90s and the early part of this century spaffing the chairman's money on players they probably couldn't afford?

Should point out I have no axe to grind with Middlesbrough. Decent people up there and always a good away day.

Bristol City 1982 fans seem to be coming in their pants at the mere thought of us getting a 9 point deduction too, maybe drinking too much cider gives you memory loss.

[From Despair To Where?]

Who can forget the Ashton Gate Five?. Bristol City fans, it would seem.

[Pepe the Horseman]

Derby keeper has just been sent off, so will miss our game on Wed.