Hob Nob Anyone?

WoodleyRoyal wrote:For the love of god can we please please stop with loans of premier league ‘up and comers‘. With the odd exception loans players rarely work out, and If they have been a success when they leave It leaves a gaping hole in that position. Next season how about we focus on our academy they we pour millions into each season and some bargain basement lower league players. Rather than some overpriced overpaid spotty teenager who doesn’t want to be here.

Tell you what, you list the failures first and then someone else can list the successes and we'll see which list is longer.

Failure
Piazon
Virginia



Meh
Miazga2
Ake
Chalobah


Success
Ejaria1
Ejaria2
Miazga1
Martinez
Bertrand
Upson
Baker


There's your starting point

Obviously only for half a season and not an "up and comer" but Glenn Murray was pretty successful while he was here.

Luke Chadwick was also decent when he came on loan from Man Utd.

Snowflake Royal wrote:Failure
Piazon
Virginia



Meh
Miazga2
Ake
Chalobah


Success
Ejaria1
Ejaria2
Miazga1
Martinez
Bertrand
Upson
Baker


There's your starting point

I would say Ake and Chalobah were pretty successful, we’re Watford in the PL when we borrowed Vydra ?

Nameless wrote:

Snowflake Royal wrote:Failure
Piazon
Virginia



Meh
Miazga2
Ake
Chalobah


Success
Ejaria1
Ejaria2
Miazga1
Martinez
Bertrand
Upson
Baker


There's your starting point

I would say Ake and Chalobah were pretty successful, we’re Watford in the PL when we borrowed Vydra ?

Dunno, but not really a youth player or up and come. Quite a few of the loan failures have been his ilk though.

Didn't Ake play 5 games and get MOTM in 3 of them?

Simon's Church wrote:Didn't Ake play 5 games and get MOTM in 3 of them?

I remember being distinctly unimpressed, but could just be me.

It is.

Hendo wrote:Luke Chadwick was also decent when he came on loan from Man Utd.

Better than decent. I remember thinking he was so much better than the rest of our players that it was hilarious.

genome wrote:

Hendo wrote:Luke Chadwick was also decent when he came on loan from Man Utd.

Better than decent. I remember thinking he was so much better than the rest of our players that it was hilarious.

Now lives round my way and is involved in local youth park football.

Total bellend according to the mum who knows him via her son's team.

We signed Khumalo and Afobe during 11/12, Khumalo was show the door as soon as he went through and Afobe just didn’t have much chance to show what he could do imo especially with the form Noel Hunt, Adam Le Fondre and Jason Roberts were in.

ffs you really are a bunch of melts, please point to where I said all of the loans were failures i said if they are successful when they leave it leaves a gaping hole to fill. This is the more worrying part. not a saleable asset, so its not like swift going the hole can be plugged by his transfer fee and it has blocked our youngsters of game time.

WoodleyRoyal wrote:ffs you really are a bunch of melts, please point to where I said all of the loans were failures i said if they are successful when they leave it leaves a gaping hole to fill. This is the more worrying part. not a saleable asset, so its not like swift going the hole can be plugged by his transfer fee and it has blocked our youngsters of game time.

You said they rarely work out which didn't take long to be proven wrong. Fact is, Premier League clubs hoover up the top talent and many other clubs benefit greatly from Premier League loans, we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot for not even exploring what players might be available to us.

WoodleyRoyal wrote:For the love of god can we please please stop with loans of premier league ‘up and comers‘. With the odd exception loans players rarely work out, and If they have been a success when they leave It leaves a gaping hole in that position. Next season how about we focus on our academy they we pour millions into each season and some bargain basement lower league players. Rather than some overpriced overpaid spotty teenager who doesn’t want to be here.

HTH Woodley

All players under the age of 23 signed from a prem club all failures
virginia
Piazon
reece oxford
nathan ake
kwesi appiah
benik afobe
binagin khumalo
darren o dea - not premiersip but im counting him
Sekou Baradji

Success
Ejaria
Miazga
Bertrand
Upson



chabolah played 15 games for us, not a success we finished 19th
chadwick was 24 when he signed on loan, not an up and comer so to speak.
Martinez is 27 not an up and comer
Baker 24 so not classed as a youngster

Harsh on Baradji. Provided one of the most memorable assists in the clubs recent history.

There's some highly suspicious blanket approach to each loanee's purpose there. And Ake has already been challenged as a meh, let alone a failure.

Even so that's 40% success rate. Not what I'd call rare.

Snowflake Royal wrote:There's some highly suspicious blanket approach to each loanee's purpose there. And Ake has already been challenged as a meh, let alone a failure.

Even so that's 40% success rate.

its every loan player from the premier league, under the age of 23, people wanted a list, they got a list, and ive just changed martinez out hes 27 so doesnt count

WoodleyRoyal wrote:All players under the age of 23 signed from a prem club all failures
virginia
Piazon
reece oxford
nathan ake
kwesi appiah
benik afobe
binagin khumalo
darren o dea - not premiersip but im counting him
Sekou Baradji

Success
Ejaria
Miazga
Bertrand
Upson
Baker


chabolah played 15 games for us, not a success we finished 19th
chadwick was 24 when he signed on loan, not an up and comer so to speak.
Martinez is 27 not an up and comer

So was Baker so add Chadwick into the success list or take Baker out.