New manager rumours and speculation

[Hound]

Don’t think Arsenals owner had much of a clue either tbh

[Stranded]

Mikel Arteta was only a coach before Arsenal picked him up, just sayin.

There are only 2 ways into management really - direct from being a player or working up to it by being a coach - you aren't going to suddenly see someone come in from managing Tesco's to managing a football club. Also again, Selles, if appointed, is apparently going to be a Head Coach not a manager - there is a small but key distinction between the two.

[Brogue]

Mikel Arteta was only a coach before Arsenal picked him up, just sayin.

There are only 2 ways into management really - direct from being a player or working up to it by being a coach - you aren't going to suddenly see someone come in from managing Tesco's to managing a football club. Also again, Selles, if appointed, is apparently going to be a Head Coach not a manager - there is a small but key distinction between the two.

This old line again head coach or manager makes no difference, he still picks the team and takes charge of training , and sets the formations. A refuge disposal technician is still a fcuking Bin Man.

[Elm Park Kid]

Mikel Arteta was only a coach before Arsenal picked him up, just sayin.

He had quite a lot of years playing in the English game under Wenger though. Then 3 years as assistant under Pep. That's a pretty good education. He knew the club, the league, the players and fans. His appointment was a risk for Arsenal, but a calculated one.

Then let's look at our situation:

Extreme uncertainty with our ownership and finances. The EFL hanging the sword of damocles over us. Barely half a squad. And now we're bringing in someone with one year's experience of the Premier League. He knows nothing about our club, league, the players or fans. I would describe that as the exact opposite of what we would want right now. I would list ability to inspire confidence and experience of lower league English football as far more important traits than either coaching or tactical skills.

[Stranded]

Mikel Arteta was only a coach before Arsenal picked him up, just sayin.

There are only 2 ways into management really - direct from being a player or working up to it by being a coach - you aren't going to suddenly see someone come in from managing Tesco's to managing a football club. Also again, Selles, if appointed, is apparently going to be a Head Coach not a manager - there is a small but key distinction between the two.

This old line again head coach or manager makes no difference, he still picks the team and takes charge of training , and sets the formations. A refuge disposal technician is still a fcuking Bin Man.

Mate - its a different job - you can pretend it isn't all you like but it is.

A manager has complete control over the football side of a club - identifies the players he wants, his role is wider than just training and selecting the team.

A Head Coach does just that - his role is to improve the players at his disposal and pick the best team and formation to win games - anything away from that is covered by the DoF or in our case the Head of Football Operations.

Pochettino explained it better whilst at Spurs:

If you are the manager, you decide many things about the club. But if you are a head coach, your responsibility is to play better, try to improve the players and to get positive results.

“At Southampton, I was a manager. My responsibility was not only to coach the team. With Tottenham, I am a head coach. A head coach is head of your department. My department is to train the team.”

[YorkshireRoyal99]

It seems like the logical job for someone with limited managerial experience but a good coaching background and experienced in that aspect.

Obviously a lot of challenges for him with ourselves, but at the same time a little less pressure on the transfer side of things. He just needs to get the best out of the squad available to him, but obviously a lot of that depends on the squad being right for him.

Good communication between Bowen, the recruitment team and Selles will be pivotal to this working.

[Snowflake Royal]

F*ck!!!!!!!......just f*cking f*ck f*ck f*ck.
Can we get a refund on the season ticket.
I can't take another season of watching the same sh*tty smash and grab failed bullshit with f*ck all shots and attempts on goal.

Is that super"c*nt"agent behind this? Lots of managerial options and this is what we come back to.

Have you considered overreacting more? It might help.

Didn't you yourself once demand a season ticket refund because of a change in manager?

I asked for one after McDermott was unjustifiably sacked, in solidarity witt him. Not because I didn't like an appointment after buying one when we didn't have a manager.

[Snowflake Royal]

Mikel Arteta was only a coach before Arsenal picked him up, just sayin.

There are only 2 ways into management really - direct from being a player or working up to it by being a coach - you aren't going to suddenly see someone come in from managing Tesco's to managing a football club. Also again, Selles, if appointed, is apparently going to be a Head Coach not a manager - there is a small but key distinction between the two.

A difference that remains semantics

[Snowflake Royal]

There are only 2 ways into management really - direct from being a player or working up to it by being a coach - you aren't going to suddenly see someone come in from managing Tesco's to managing a football club. Also again, Selles, if appointed, is apparently going to be a Head Coach not a manager - there is a small but key distinction between the two.

This old line again head coach or manager makes no difference, he still picks the team and takes charge of training , and sets the formations. A refuge disposal technician is still a fcuking Bin Man.

Mate - its a different job - you can pretend it isn't all you like but it is.

A manager has complete control over the football side of a club - identifies the players he wants, his role is wider than just training and selecting the team.

A Head Coach does just that - his role is to improve the players at his disposal and pick the best team and formation to win games - anything away from that is covered by the DoF or in our case the Head of Football Operations.

Pochettino explained it better whilst at Spurs:

If you are the manager, you decide many things about the club. But if you are a head coach, your responsibility is to play better, try to improve the players and to get positive results.

“At Southampton, I was a manager. My responsibility was not only to coach the team. With Tottenham, I am a head coach. A head coach is head of your department. My department is to train the team.”

Your definition of a manager is out of the 90s.

[Brogue]

There are only 2 ways into management really - direct from being a player or working up to it by being a coach - you aren't going to suddenly see someone come in from managing Tesco's to managing a football club. Also again, Selles, if appointed, is apparently going to be a Head Coach not a manager - there is a small but key distinction between the two.

This old line again head coach or manager makes no difference, he still picks the team and takes charge of training , and sets the formations. A refuge disposal technician is still a fcuking Bin Man.

Mate - its a different job - you can pretend it isn't all you like but it is.

A manager has complete control over the football side of a club - identifies the players he wants, his role is wider than just training and selecting the team.

A Head Coach does just that - his role is to improve the players at his disposal and pick the best team and formation to win games - anything away from that is covered by the DoF or in our case the Head of Football Operations.

Pochettino explained it better whilst at Spurs:

If you are the manager, you decide many things about the club. But if you are a head coach, your responsibility is to play better, try to improve the players and to get positive results.

“At Southampton, I was a manager. My responsibility was not only to coach the team. With Tottenham, I am a head coach. A head coach is head of your department. My department is to train the team.”

Do you think Ince was a ‘manager’ in anything other than title? He wouldn’t have any say over how the club was run when Bowen was above him. Pauno? maybe. He might have been a ‘manager’ as you describe. It was suggested that he was getting involved in contract negotiations and stuff, but that was because there was no hierarchy above him (well pang, but he can’t speak English). And that is certainly an exception for a modern day ‘manager’ rather than the norm, and was a needs must in exceptional circumstances.

Most ‘managers’ these days are only head coaches. especially clubs that have roles such as ‘head of football operations’. Most managers don’t stick around long enough to have any say on how the club is run so I just don’t buy into it. If wilder was appointed, he would have only been a head coach too, he may have been given the title of ‘manager’ but he wouldn’t be one as per your description. That’s the whole point of having ‘head of football operations’ - mark Bowen.

[windermereROYAL]

Doesn`t matter anymore, with the latest charge there is serious doubt about our very existence. what manager or player would come here in their right mind?

[Hound]

Doesn`t matter anymore, with the latest charge there is serious doubt about our very existence. what manager or player would come here in their right mind?

That’s a bit over dramatic

Serious doubt?

[windermereROYAL]

Doesn`t matter anymore, with the latest charge there is serious doubt about our very existence. what manager or player would come here in their right mind?

That’s a bit over dramatic

Serious doubt?

Dai not paying tax,, is he pulling the plug?

[Sutekh]

Mikel Arteta was only a coach before Arsenal picked him up, just sayin.

There are only 2 ways into management really - direct from being a player or working up to it by being a coach - you aren't going to suddenly see someone come in from managing Tesco's to managing a football club. Also again, Selles, if appointed, is apparently going to be a Head Coach not a manager - there is a small but key distinction between the two.

This old line again head coach or manager makes no difference, he still picks the team and takes charge of training , and sets the formations. A refuge disposal technician is still a fcuking Bin Man.

Though probably in prison for demolishing the local women's safety retreat.

[MartinRdg]

Doesn`t matter anymore, with the latest charge there is serious doubt about our very existence. what manager or player would come here in their right mind?

That’s a bit over dramatic

Serious doubt?

Dai not paying tax,, is he pulling the plug?

It seems that the non-payment of loan players goes hand-in-hand with not paying PAYE - would seem logical that if you've not paid the loan players then HMRC wasn't paid either

[Stranded]

This old line again head coach or manager makes no difference, he still picks the team and takes charge of training , and sets the formations. A refuge disposal technician is still a fcuking Bin Man.

Mate - its a different job - you can pretend it isn't all you like but it is.

A manager has complete control over the football side of a club - identifies the players he wants, his role is wider than just training and selecting the team.

A Head Coach does just that - his role is to improve the players at his disposal and pick the best team and formation to win games - anything away from that is covered by the DoF or in our case the Head of Football Operations.

Pochettino explained it better whilst at Spurs:

If you are the manager, you decide many things about the club. But if you are a head coach, your responsibility is to play better, try to improve the players and to get positive results.

“At Southampton, I was a manager. My responsibility was not only to coach the team. With Tottenham, I am a head coach. A head coach is head of your department. My department is to train the team.”

Your definition of a manager is out of the 90s.

I mean, I did literally use a quote from someone in the game currently to define the difference, but you know, fine.

[Sutekh]

Mate - its a different job - you can pretend it isn't all you like but it is.

A manager has complete control over the football side of a club - identifies the players he wants, his role is wider than just training and selecting the team.

A Head Coach does just that - his role is to improve the players at his disposal and pick the best team and formation to win games - anything away from that is covered by the DoF or in our case the Head of Football Operations.

Pochettino explained it better whilst at Spurs:

Your definition of a manager is out of the 90s.

I mean, I did literally use a quote from someone in the game currently to define the difference, but you know, fine.

With Stranded on this one!

[Orion1871]

Your definition of a manager is out of the 90s.

I mean, I did literally use a quote from someone in the game currently to define the difference, but you know, fine.

With Stranded on this one!

Come on. You know Ian is right even when he's wrong.

[Lower West]

(well pang, but he can’t speak English).

Pang is the East-West bridge. The translator. The enforcer. The paid puppet.

[leon]

I mean, I did literally use a quote from someone in the game currently to define the difference, but you know, fine.

With Stranded on this one!

Come on. You know Ian is right even when he's wrong.

chuckles