Record Watch 23/24

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Re: Record Watch 23/24

by Crusader Royal » 04 Apr 2024 14:25

Mr Angry There is a world of difference between a player being encouraged to consider a new career post-retirement, and someone who has a full time job and plays professional football as their 2nd job.

Also, if you look at your employment contract there is almost certainly a clause in it preventing you from having any other employment; no reason a footballer will be any different.

As for Insurance, their are certainly clauses in players contracts that prevent them - for example - playing other specific sports due to the insurance on them being null and void if they get injured whilst doing something proscribed (which is why so many players are golfers), and I would imagine there are likely to be similar clauses preventing players from having full time outside employment.

Back in the day, I remember that Martin Peters owned a couple of Insurance Brokers in (iirc) Essex, but whilst he was playing he wasn't allowed to work at his own Companies; it was only when he retired that he went full time into the industry.


You can’t be serious that employment contacts forbid you having other jobs ! They might forbid you working in competing areas but huge numbers of people in this country work in more than one job out of economic necessity ! Sorry, that kind of shows you must be totally out of touch with the world of employment.
Insurance exclusions obviously prevent footballers doing things with high risk of injury but they wouldn’t exclude running a soccer school, or being a personal tutor or a mortgage broker….
And plenty of other sports have players doing stuff outside their sport. England rugby currently have a player doing a medical degree which involves working in hospitals, some Welsh and All Blacks players have family farms they work on did Alistair Cook.
I agree combining football and another career may not be easy but there is no reason why it can’t be done - certainly there is no FA / FIFA rule stopping it.

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Re: Record Watch 23/24

by Mr Angry » 04 Apr 2024 17:30

If I knew how to upload a photo, I would post the relevant part of my current Employment Contract.

It states that "..it is a condition of employment that employees will not either directly or indirectly be employed, or concerned with any other business, trade or service (whether or not undertaken in their spare time) without the express permission of the General Manager".

I guess it all depends on the job you do, and the value you have to that employer.

If you are in the gig economy, or a student working in a bar part-time, then I suspect that the employment contracts are going to be a bit different............

Anyway, if you think it is a possibility that a Professional footballer will be allowed by their club to have a full time job and football was the secondary employment, then I will leave you to it.

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Re: Record Watch 23/24

by Crusader Royal » 04 Apr 2024 17:58

Mr Angry If I knew how to upload a photo, I would post the relevant part of my current Employment Contract.

It states that "..it is a condition of employment that employees will not either directly or indirectly be employed, or concerned with any other business, trade or service (whether or not undertaken in their spare time) without the express permission of the General Manager".

I guess it all depends on the job you do, and the value you have to that employer.

If you are in the gig economy, or a student working in a bar part-time, then I suspect that the employment contracts are going to be a bit different............

Anyway, if you think it is a possibility that a Professional footballer will be allowed by their club to have a full time job and football was the secondary employment, then I will leave you to it.
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Not sure your specific contract over rides the experiences of huge numbers of the population.
If you want to extrapolate from dubious personal experiences I was a senior IT manager in multinational companies and then moved into retail and as well as doing other paid work I also held a company directorship in a totally unrelated business. There was never an issue with this, and I had staff who did other paid work in their own time.
As for the relevance to footballers you seem to have shifted this to a very specific situation. I would agree a footballer would struggle to have a full time job and play at the top of the professional game. However that is entirely different from footballers having second jobs, or playing at the top level when not a professional. There is absolutely no reason why a Div 2 player couldn’t also have a personal training business alongside his football career.

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Re: Record Watch 23/24

by From Despair To Where? » 04 Apr 2024 18:36

Labouring the point a bit now, lads.

Anyway, to return to the original point, ours is a Football League record and the Football League is a fully full time league, whereas all divisions below are not. It's a clear and obvious point of demarcation.

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Re: Record Watch 23/24

by Crusader Royal » 04 Apr 2024 18:59

From Despair To Where? Labouring the point a bit now, lads.

Anyway, to return to the original point, ours is a Football League record and the Football League is a fully full time league, whereas all divisions below are not. It's a clear and obvious point of demarcation.


I’m quite happy for a nil-nil draw to be declared and the thread to return to whatever it is supposed to be about (I think the FL record thing has been asserted several times now !)


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Re: Record Watch 23/24

by stealthpapes » 05 Apr 2024 10:39

Mr Angry If I knew how to upload a photo, I would post the relevant part of my current Employment Contract.

:D


Use something like ImageBB, like I did to reproduce the stats available from https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlab ... eries/ycbw



About 1.2 million and a surprisingly flat/stable number over the last thirty years.

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Re: Record Watch 23/24

by stealthpapes » 05 Apr 2024 10:40

FWIW, I still count Lincoln with an asterisk.

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Re: Record Watch 23/24

by dontbedaft » 09 Apr 2024 21:48

Close thread! See you next season! :-)

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Re: Record Watch 23/24

by LUX » 09 Apr 2024 21:54

It really has been the perfect evening


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Re: Record Watch 23/24

by leon » 09 Apr 2024 22:16

LUX It really has been the perfect evening


Yes indeed LUXers.

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Re: Record Watch 23/24

by Franchise FC » 10 Apr 2024 08:09

In all the excitement of a midweek away win I totally forgot about Leicester

Woke up to double delight

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Re: Record Watch 23/24

by Sutekh » 10 Apr 2024 09:34

And so endeth this lesson for another year.

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Re: Record Watch 23/24

by Ascotexgunner » 10 Apr 2024 19:36

Embarrassing from Leicester. Premier League spine, spent gazillions in wages, lost 9 games. Should have walked this league. Pathetic.


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Re: Record Watch 23/24

by Sutekh » 11 Apr 2024 08:05

Ascotexgunner Embarrassing from Leicester. Premier League spine, spent gazillions in wages, lost 9 games. Should have walked this league. Pathetic.


Reading's record will always be the greatest points achievement, as they did it without a PL level squad and gazillions in parachute payments.

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Re: Record Watch 23/24

by Hendo » 11 Apr 2024 09:18

Sometimes I think about Sunderland fans when they had the record - they must've thought it would never be taken, only for us to beat it a couple of years later.

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Re: Record Watch 23/24

by Snowflake Royal » 11 Apr 2024 09:57

Hendo Sometimes I think about Sunderland fans when they had the record - they must've thought it would never be taken, only for us to beat it a couple of years later.

They beat their own record after a couple of years as well didn't they? Having taken it off Fulham?

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Re: Record Watch 23/24

by Mid Sussex Royal » 11 Apr 2024 10:20

Sutekh
Ascotexgunner Embarrassing from Leicester. Premier League spine, spent gazillions in wages, lost 9 games. Should have walked this league. Pathetic.


Reading's record will always be the greatest points achievement, as they did it without a PL level squad and gazillions in parachute payments.


In fairness Ipswich have run it close this season...I think that would have compared to us.

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Re: Record Watch 23/24

by Sutekh » 11 Apr 2024 10:33

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Hendo Sometimes I think about Sunderland fans when they had the record - they must've thought it would never be taken, only for us to beat it a couple of years later.

They beat their own record after a couple of years as well didn't they? Having taken it off Fulham?


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Re: Record Watch 23/24

by WestYorksRoyal » 11 Apr 2024 10:43

Nobody will even make 100 this year. A bunch of pretenders.

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Re: Record Watch 23/24

by Brogue » 11 Apr 2024 10:47

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Ascotexgunner Embarrassing from Leicester. Premier League spine, spent gazillions in wages, lost 9 games. Should have walked this league. Pathetic.


Reading's record will always be the greatest points achievement, as they did it without a PL level squad and gazillions in parachute payments.


In fairness Ipswich have run it close this season...I think that would have compared to us.


If not exceeded it, as they basically have the same squad as last year in league 1

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