by Hound » 14 Feb 2019 13:10
by NewCorkSeth » 14 Feb 2019 13:12
2 world wars, 1 world cupNamelessNewCorkSeth What? We don't disagree. There's nothing to disagree about. I'm telling you what the "option" means on the loan agreement. Are you saying I'm wrong?
Well you think it’s a ‘smart’ system, so we probably disagree there !
I don’t know if you are right or wrong and unless we get sight of the contracts I guess we can’t be sure.
I think the system you have explained is somewhat pointless and you’ve not really highlighted any benefits for the potential buying club.
As I said while ago , not sure where else this debate goes. I’m sure we both hope the loan players are successful and any we think can do a long term job decide they want to stay, whether or not we have an ‘option’ on them.
How can there be no benefits for the buying club? I'm confused. To exaggerate the point to demonstrate: isn't it obvious that if Oliveira scores 50 goals his price would rocket and even if we wanted him at the end of the season we wouldn't afford his £30million price tag. But as a price for, let's say £5mill, has already been agreed we're laughing! How can that not be a beneficial to us!? Of course others may come in and offer the £30million and he may end up going elsewhere, but there's a chance he may prefer our contract so we may then get him. If he ends up being shit anyway like Vydra we won't want him anyway so it doesn't matter. Like everything in business it's a punt. A bit like a fixed rate vs a variable mortgage. It's such an obvious potential benefit to a buying club I wonder if I'm missing something....
Hound worth remembering there wasn't a huge set of clubs lining up to sign Oliveira from the sound of it, and he'd have lost even more value stuck in Norwich reserves. There were rumours of them accepting a 2m bid for him from, which whilst prob not true, shows roughly where he was valued
Probably allowed us to set up fairly favourable terms on the loan agreement to save them on his wage. They aren't a huge or wealthy club
by NewCorkSeth » 14 Feb 2019 13:15
Old Man AndrewsHound worth remembering there wasn't a huge set of clubs lining up to sign Oliveira from the sound of it, and he'd have lost even more value stuck in Norwich reserves. There were rumours of them accepting a 2m bid for him from, which whilst prob not true, shows roughly where he was valued
Probably allowed us to set up fairly favourable terms on the loan agreement to save them on his wage. They aren't a huge or wealthy club
Yeah good point. I think the danger is if he ends up getting a load of goals for us he will attract attention from far more powerful clubs than us. We just have to hope nobody is watching him.
by Platypuss » 14 Feb 2019 13:17
John Madejski's Wallet2 world wars, 1 world cup And last but not least for me: Martinez. Possibly the best keeper I've seen play for Reading. For me even better than USA.
JOSE GOMES' BARMY ARMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Martinez looks class at shotstopping and claiming crosses, but fukk me I don't buy into this 'can play football' stuff. He's just as appalling at playing our defenders into trouble as every one of our recent keepers who have tried in this passing style. And then when he does hoof it, they are rubbish scuffs.
But he makes me feel really relaxed when he's there. Really happy to have him.
by Victor Meldrew » 14 Feb 2019 13:17
by windermereROYAL » 14 Feb 2019 13:20
PlatypussJohn Madejski's Wallet2 world wars, 1 world cup And last but not least for me: Martinez. Possibly the best keeper I've seen play for Reading. For me even better than USA.
JOSE GOMES' BARMY ARMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Martinez looks class at shotstopping and claiming crosses, but fukk me I don't buy into this 'can play football' stuff. He's just as appalling at playing our defenders into trouble as every one of our recent keepers who have tried in this passing style. And then when he does hoof it, they are rubbish scuffs.
But he makes me feel really relaxed when he's there. Really happy to have him.
A couple of decent throwouts too to set up breaks - we've really missed a keeper with vision and a range of distribution options.
PlatypussJohn Madejski's Wallet2 world wars, 1 world cup And last but not least for me: Martinez. Possibly the best keeper I've seen play for Reading. For me even better than USA.
JOSE GOMES' BARMY ARMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Martinez looks class at shotstopping and claiming crosses, but fukk me I don't buy into this 'can play football' stuff. He's just as appalling at playing our defenders into trouble as every one of our recent keepers who have tried in this passing style. And then when he does hoof it, they are rubbish scuffs.
But he makes me feel really relaxed when he's there. Really happy to have him.
A couple of decent throwouts too to set up breaks - we've really missed a keeper with vision and a range of distribution options.
by NewCorkSeth » 14 Feb 2019 13:28
by From Despair To Where? » 14 Feb 2019 13:39
by NewCorkSeth » 14 Feb 2019 13:41
From Despair To Where? Isn't Sal Bibbo Arsenal's goalkeeping coach?
From Despair To Where? Isn't Sal Bibbo Arsenal's goalkeeping coach? I read on here that he was the Messiah.
by Ascotexgunner » 14 Feb 2019 13:47
by windermereROYAL » 14 Feb 2019 13:56
Ascotexgunner Dare I ask but what has that done to the Gomes v Clement % win comparison?
by Stranded » 14 Feb 2019 13:59
windermereROYALPlatypussJohn Madejski's Wallet Martinez looks class at shotstopping and claiming crosses, but fukk me I don't buy into this 'can play football' stuff. He's just as appalling at playing our defenders into trouble as every one of our recent keepers who have tried in this passing style. And then when he does hoof it, they are rubbish scuffs.
But he makes me feel really relaxed when he's there. Really happy to have him.
A couple of decent throwouts too to set up breaks - we've really missed a keeper with vision and a range of distribution options.
Scared to shit out me in one incident in the 2nd half when he played 2 short passes to players with Blackburn all over them, we got away with it but it had a quite a few hearts fluttering.
by Hound » 14 Feb 2019 14:05
StrandedwindermereROYALPlatypuss
A couple of decent throwouts too to set up breaks - we've really missed a keeper with vision and a range of distribution options.
Scared to shit out me in one incident in the 2nd half when he played 2 short passes to players with Blackburn all over them, we got away with it but it had a quite a few hearts fluttering.
That's kind of the point in the way Gomes wants us to play. Take educated risks, trust players and draw the opposition in to create space, we aren't there with it yet but when we are it will be very hard to defend. We got it right at the start of the 2nd half last night and bar a defender flinging himself at the ball in desperation we would have been on for goal of the season.
by Nameless » 14 Feb 2019 14:13
NewCorkSeth2 world wars, 1 world cupNameless
Well you think it’s a ‘smart’ system, so we probably disagree there !
I don’t know if you are right or wrong and unless we get sight of the contracts I guess we can’t be sure.
I think the system you have explained is somewhat pointless and you’ve not really highlighted any benefits for the potential buying club.
As I said while ago , not sure where else this debate goes. I’m sure we both hope the loan players are successful and any we think can do a long term job decide they want to stay, whether or not we have an ‘option’ on them.
How can there be no benefits for the buying club? I'm confused. To exaggerate the point to demonstrate: isn't it obvious that if Oliveira scores 50 goals his price would rocket and even if we wanted him at the end of the season we wouldn't afford his £30million price tag. But as a price for, let's say £5mill, has already been agreed we're laughing! How can that not be a beneficial to us!? Of course others may come in and offer the £30million and he may end up going elsewhere, but there's a chance he may prefer our contract so we may then get him. If he ends up being shit anyway like Vydra we won't want him anyway so it doesn't matter. Like everything in business it's a punt. A bit like a fixed rate vs a variable mortgage. It's such an obvious potential benefit to a buying club I wonder if I'm missing something....
Thank you. I felt like I was going insane there for a minute.
by Snowflake Royal » 14 Feb 2019 14:19
NamelessNewCorkSethNameless Whenever hear of clubs having ‘options’ on players I wonder what that means.
Is it contractual ? Ie you can have this player for £x and his wages will be £y. Does it compel the player to move ?
Or if the selling club gets a better offer can they accept it ? Or if the player doesn’t fancy the move or the terms can they decline the move ?
My gut feel is it’s a bit of a meaningless phrase, anyone know if it is a more solid arrangement ?
It's usually a set price that they have to accept as a bid if it's made. Yes they can accept other offers and no the player doesn't have to go.
So we agree a price of £5 million for Oliviera, he scores 10 goals to keep,us up, we ring them up to get their bank details to make payment and not only find that Stoke have had a bid of £5 million and 50p accepted but Oliviera has decided he’d rather go and play in Spain so woukdn’t Have joined anyway.
Presumably we could up our offer and tell Oliviera we REALLY like him but the ‘option’ seems very weak.
by Nameless » 14 Feb 2019 14:23
Snowflake RoyalNamelessNewCorkSeth It's usually a set price that they have to accept as a bid if it's made. Yes they can accept other offers and no the player doesn't have to go.
So we agree a price of £5 million for Oliviera, he scores 10 goals to keep,us up, we ring them up to get their bank details to make payment and not only find that Stoke have had a bid of £5 million and 50p accepted but Oliviera has decided he’d rather go and play in Spain so woukdn’t Have joined anyway.
Presumably we could up our offer and tell Oliviera we REALLY like him but the ‘option’ seems very weak.
You need to understand the distinction between an agreement with a club and a player.
by Blackbag » 14 Feb 2019 14:27