McDermotts thinking on Kebe?

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Re: McDermotts thinking on Kebe?

by melonhead » 07 Nov 2011 15:00

Hoop Blah I agree with Goats comments on Kebe not having as much support from Cummings as he did Griffin, in fact I even said it last week (does that make me even more right than Goat??), however, I don't go along with the idea that Kebe is unstoppable when he's 1-on-1 and that he's always getting doubled up on.

Last night Kebe had a few opportunities in a 1-on-1 with Ridgewell (a decent defender I might add) and didn't get anywhere really. He had 1 run into the box that I remember he did alright with but the rest of the time he did nothing with the possession he had. Sometimes that wasn't helped by a lack of attacking intent from Cummings but others it was just because he didn't seem interested in taking his man on or taking a risk.

Basically I just don't think he's half as good as he's been made out to be. On his day he can be unplayable but even then I'd say his end product isn't enough to make enough of opportunities his pace and trickery gets him. He had a blistering spell last year (or was it the year before) when he was creating chances and even scoring some himself but that run of form has been a purple patch over a largely disappointing RFC career.



put 1 great ball onto churches head which church tamely headed to their keeper
but i get your point

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Re: McDermotts thinking on Kebe?

by Hoop Blah » 07 Nov 2011 15:02

True, that did come from the right. I wouldn't say it was a great ball but it really didn't help with it being Church on the end of it and he was never going to do anything with it after making a decent run into the space.

I seem to remember another low cross that Kebe put in during the first half, but my memory from yesterday is pretty hazy now.

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Re: McDermotts thinking on Kebe?

by melonhead » 07 Nov 2011 15:37

he did ok, but not brilliant, first 4 crosses into the defender, next two too long /deep, next few were good

but then he got frustrated, his head went down a bit, then he fell on his arse, and limped a bit,had a bit of a tiff with cummings, looked sulky and went off. but thats kebe.

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Re: McDermotts thinking on Kebe?

by Extended-Phenotype » 10 Nov 2011 13:27

Harte on the wing like our very own Beckham.

Slow, sh't at penalties, and going bald.

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Re: McDermotts thinking on Kebe?

by Ian Royal » 10 Nov 2011 19:38

Extended-Phenotype Harte on the wing like our very own Beckham.

Slow, sh't at penalties, and going bald.


Why don't we just play him upfront so he doesn't have to run too far to take penalties and freekicks. It's the only reason to have him on the pitch.


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Re: McDermotts thinking on Kebe?

by melonhead » 10 Nov 2011 21:39

is suggest he also has superb positioning, massive experience, and is better on and with the ball than most of the team

not that id put him in. just saying like

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Re: McDermotts thinking on Kebe?

by FiNeRaIn » 10 Nov 2011 21:41

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Why don't we just play him upfront so he doesn't have to run too far to take penalties and freekicks. It's the only reason to have him on the pitch.


Thats not actually a ridiculous suggestion. How many have our strikers scored this season? can't do much worse.

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Re: McDermotts thinking on Kebe?

by Ian Royal » 11 Nov 2011 16:34

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Why don't we just play him upfront so he doesn't have to run too far to take penalties and freekicks. It's the only reason to have him on the pitch.


Thats not actually a ridiculous suggestion. How many have our strikers scored this season? can't do much worse.


4, 3, 2 and 2. They're doing terribly. :roll:

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Re: McDermotts thinking on Kebe?

by Harpers So Solid Crew » 11 Nov 2011 16:37

So Ian a third of the seaon gone and take that to the end our top scorer would have 12 goals. then 9 6 and 6, if the strikers get 33 goals we can only end up in the doggy doo


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Re: McDermotts thinking on Kebe?

by andrew1957 » 11 Nov 2011 16:54

Harpers So Solid Crew So Ian a third of the seaon gone and take that to the end our top scorer would have 12 goals. then 9 6 and 6, if the strikers get 33 goals we can only end up in the doggy doo


After the first 20 games last season Long, Hunt and Church had just 10 goals between them.

This season ALF, Manset, Church and Hunt have 11 already - with 4 games to spare.

The strikers are not our problem. Our problem is a/ lack of creatilivity and b/ the lack of goals coming from elswehere on the pitch.

Last year the defence and midfield had scored 18 between them by 20 games, whereas so far this season those departments have added just 5 goals (and two of these were HRK whilst playing as a striker).

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Re: McDermotts thinking on Kebe?

by Ian Royal » 11 Nov 2011 16:54

Harpers So Solid Crew So Ian a third of the seaon gone and take that to the end our top scorer would have 12 goals. then 9 6 and 6, if the strikers get 33 goals we can only end up in the doggy doo


Like we did last season? 25 + 10 + 2 + 2 = 39

6 goals is the difference between doggy doo and Play Off Final is it?

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Re: McDermotts thinking on Kebe?

by Harpers So Solid Crew » 11 Nov 2011 17:23

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Harpers So Solid Crew So Ian a third of the seaon gone and take that to the end our top scorer would have 12 goals. then 9 6 and 6, if the strikers get 33 goals we can only end up in the doggy doo


Like we did last season? 25 + 10 + 2 + 2 = 39

6 goals is the difference between doggy doo and Play Off Final is it?


Nop you are going to have to widen that post Ian, Long got 21 league goals , Hunt got 10, Church got 5
, if you agree that Kebe and McAnuff are forwards then add 14 league goals.

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Re: McDermotts thinking on Kebe?

by FiNeRaIn » 11 Nov 2011 18:54

^^ lol


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Re: McDermotts thinking on Kebe?

by Pete10 » 11 Nov 2011 20:24

Let him go .

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Re: McDermotts thinking on Kebe?

by Ian Royal » 11 Nov 2011 20:39

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Harpers So Solid Crew So Ian a third of the seaon gone and take that to the end our top scorer would have 12 goals. then 9 6 and 6, if the strikers get 33 goals we can only end up in the doggy doo


Like we did last season? 25 + 10 + 2 + 2 = 39

6 goals is the difference between doggy doo and Play Off Final is it?


Nop you are going to have to widen that post Ian, Long got 21 league goals , Hunt got 10, Church got 5
, if you agree that Kebe and McAnuff are forwards then add 14 league goals.


:|

The question was how are our strikers doing. You suggested that 33 goals from our strikers would leave us in trouble. I pointed out they got a similar amount last season when we finished in the Play Offs. Thanks for giving Church the three I missed and deciding to remove four for Long, making the difference between estimated strikers goals this season and those last season, even smaller at a massive five.

You've managed to make your own point seem even more stupid, which is pretty impressive really. Are you drunk?

How are our forwards doing is a completely different question. And the answer is our wingers could do with scoring a few more.

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Re: McDermotts thinking on Kebe?

by The Rouge » 11 Nov 2011 22:34

The Goat was fed Or, instead of just spouting off a load of hot air, let's have a bit of football analysis.

The main problem with Jimmy Kebe is that he is no longer a surprise package and so teams are doubling up on him. We have seen this every game Kebe has started in this year. When he is one v one, he is unstoppable, when he is 2 on 1 he is less so.

The problem - Shaun Cummings.

He has been ridiculously solid and has improved vastly but he needs to (as McDermott would say) "join in." He very rarely gets anywhere near the opposition's byline and this puts all the pressure on Kebe. He never has an outlet. Being a good full-back is similar to being a good goalkeeper. You are expected to be a good shot-stopper/defender, but it's the extras distribution/attacking prowess that makes you a higher level player.

I'm not Griffin's biggest fan, but even though he was hardly the second coming of Cafu, he would get forward and give the opposition something to think about and Kebe someone to pass to if he hit a dead end. You can't double up on someone if it leaves a man unmarked. This season, though Cummings has been excellent defensively, we have not done enough to support our dangerman.

The difference yesterday when McAnuff came on was that Fahey was no longer "man-marking" and it's what created the space for the goal. It feels harsh to criticise Cummings, but now he is no longer liability and performing well, he needs to pick it up further. Remember when Kebe first started to flourish it was founded in a really good understanding with Griffin - that is not there just yet with Cummings. This cannot be overlooked, I would argue that the partnership between RB/LB and RM/LM is one of the most important in the game.

Basically, I'm right and you know it.


Hurrah. Some real football analysis from someone who knows the game. The only thing I would add to that is that on top of that I do think he has been poorer this season and I have questioned his interest this season and I didn't do previously. Prior to this season, he would be the first name on the teamsheet for away games.

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Re: McDermotts thinking on Kebe?

by who are ya? » 11 Nov 2011 22:43

Murts and Little
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Re: McDermotts thinking on Kebe?

by knobby_1871 » 11 Nov 2011 23:09

who are ya? Murts and Little
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*Sigh*


^^ +106 :)

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Re: McDermotts thinking on Kebe?

by Harpers So Solid Crew » 12 Nov 2011 13:24

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The question was how are our strikers doing. You suggested that 33 goals from our strikers would leave us in trouble. I pointed out they got a similar amount last season when we finished in the Play Offs. Thanks for giving Church the three I missed and deciding to remove four for Long, making the difference between estimated strikers goals this season and those last season, even smaller at a massive five.

You've managed to make your own point seem even more stupid, which is pretty impressive really. Are you drunk?

How are our forwards doing is a completely different question. And the answer is our wingers could do with scoring a few more.


Our forwards were doing shite at this point in time last season as well, hence the time for a change thread about Long, and Snowball defending him saying he needed time.

Do you see any of our current forwards making the 20 goal mark, it looks unlikely. Just because the scoring picked up one season does not mean it will again, currently we are 7 goals shy of the number scored after 16 games last season. Though looking at the current goals scored in this season we are doing ok, as we are not losing too often.

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Re: McDermotts thinking on Kebe?

by melonhead » 12 Nov 2011 13:40

le fondre is good enough to get twenty



nhunt could probably get 15, if he stayed fit for a whole season
church, dunno- has got 15 before
mansets goals to time on pitch is decent, but fitness is an issue

none of them will get near that with teh current service theyre getting

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