Just How Good is the Manager?

[Snowball]

Yesterday's programme had McDermott's Stats, and with the 3-0 WHU game he reads:

P 100 W46 D29 L25 165-111 .

If that was all league that corresponds to 1.67 ppg, a 76.8 point season.


Plus two great FA Cup runs, winning at Anfield, Everton etc


When you consider that he took over when the team was a shambles and in real
danger of relegation, then in Season 2 he lost Gylfi and had to rebuild, then this
season has lost Long and Mills, and had to rebuild, his stats are very, very good indeed.

[Blue Biscuit]

Can't argue with the numbers. What were Steve Coppell's stats for the first 100 games..?

[rhroyal]

We all know that Brian has done an excellent job. Do we need a thread of statistics dedicated to the subject to help us clarify furhter?

[Snowball]

Can't argue with the numbers. What were Steve Coppell's stats for the first 100 games..?

The programme gives 99 as a comparison







P100 W46 D29 L25 - - 165-111 GD = +54 - - 46.0% - - Win Ratio - 1.67 "ppg" - - McDermott 100 Games

P099 W45 D29 L25 - - 162-111 GD = +51 - - 45.5% - - Win Ratio - 1.66 "ppg" - - McDermott 099 Games

P099 W44 D24 L31 - - 120-107 GD = +13 - - 44.4% - - Win Ratio - 1.58 "ppg" - - Coppell

[Snowball]

We all know that Brian has done an excellent job. Do we need a thread of statistics dedicated to the subject to help us clarify furhter?

Stats can make gut-feeling a little clearer.


What does "A Good Job" mean?

It could mean, a decent job, but not as good as Coppel or Pardew (for example)
and since Steve C was a God in these parts, and had a lot more money and started
from a far better base...

McDermott has managed his superb ppg tally while the
club has been selling the team from under him.

[Svlad Cjelli]

But, as always stats without context are meaningless.

76 of Coppell's matches were in the Premier League, but when you're just looking at "matches" then that important distinction isn't reflected anywhere.

[Snowball]

But, as always stats without context are meaningless.

76 of Coppell's matches were in the Premier League, but when you're just looking at "matches" then that important distinction isn't reflected anywhere.

But we aren't looking at ALL of Coppell's matches, just his first 99

His first game in charge was Reading 2-1 Gillingham in October 2003

He had 39 games in 2003-04, Championship

He had 51 games in 2004-05, Championship. That's 90 Championship Games... and then the first 9 games of the record-breaking season...

He had 54 games in 2005-06, Championship

[LoyalRoyal22]

Brian is a ledge

[Ian Royal]

Are we ignoring the games before he was made permanent because they didn't involve a win?

[peterroyal76]

Are we ignoring the games before he was made permanent because they didn't involve a win?

Only if it proves his point!

[Ian Royal]

Are we ignoring the games before he was made permanent because they didn't involve a win?

Only if it proves his point!

Well if you include all his games his win rate is 44.4%
If Coppell's 100th was early in the promotion season, I suspect that adding 8 games makes his record better. Hell, Coppell's rate is 44.3% including two seasons in the Premier League, one of which was a relegation!

[Bandini]

Stats are probably rather more use in helping to evaluate the performance of a manager than of a player.

[Ian Royal]

Stats are probably rather more use in helping to evaluate the performance of a manager than of a player.

Yeah, I'd agree with that.

MaccyD is doing a pretty darn good job. Although I'm not convinced by some of his approach, maybe that's because we've been blessed with successful managers in the last decade.

[Snowball]

Are we ignoring the games before he was made permanent because they didn't involve a win?

No, we are going with the club's 99 (now +1) as in the programme

and AT THE TIME many said, that until he knew he was getting the job
(and the players knew it) it was unfair to judge him.


There is a MASSIVE difference between being a caretaker manager and having a full contract.

[Snowball]

Although I'm not convinced by some of his approach, maybe that's because we've been blessed with successful managers in the last decade.

A more parsimonious explanation is YOU KNOW NOTHING.

[M-U-R-T-Y]

Stats aside, in 100 games Big Mac has done a pretty remarkable job.

Saved us from dire straits and prospect of relegation
Two FA Cup quarter finals, including some big Premiership scalps.
And a Play-off Final.

Here's hoping there is similar to come in the next 100, and maybe a little further this time.

Also, how quick has it gone? Seems like yesterday Rodgers was sacked.

[Pete10]

Fair play to the man . Has done a great job .Took over a total mess Rodgers was a utter clown. Best players sold off but still doing the business. What would he do if the chairman backed the team.

[Snowball]

We had a bad start this year, and, frankly, I thought we had no chance.

Hence I'm a bit surprised to see this stat.

Since the five defeats on the trot



P15 W7 D5 L3 21-14 26 Points = 1.733 ppg = a 79.33 point season





We could have had three points at Palace, could have drawn at Forest, deserved something at Blackpool

I can only see us getting better, with Elwood improving, the CB pair improving,
Cummings getting more and more experience, Mills providing excellent cover
for Harte... Good to see Church scoring, too. That can only be a plus


And Manset, Tabb, Obita, HRK, Antonio, Morrison...

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

We had a bad start this year, and, frankly, I thought we had no chance.



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Is that despite the fact that we have been on a par with last season for a lot of the time, when we made the play offs, and I recall you were about the only one who thought we might manage it last season around this time, and even at Xmas.

[Ian Royal]

It's been pretty obviously the same old, same old in my opinion. Nothing quite clicking, but with a run of decent performances and results, it will then click and we can make a strong challenge again. Without that good run we'll be solidly mid-table.