BFTG Norwich

[leon]

Actually, a large part of why I think I can't be arsed next season is the Clolub.

TBH being quite old most of my enjoyment is my pre-match pint(s) with my mates. Football is a social things these days. To be honest, it always was.

I still enjoy the beer with my mates, however, these days I feel disconnected from the club. No real affiliation with them. For me, and I realise that you probably can't understand this, the sacking of Brian was pretty much the final straw. I say "pretty much" because I'm still not sure after watching the team for over 40 years whether I can or can't be arsed to renew next year.

Reading HobNob is equally depressing. I skim the Team Board because all I see is the same tiresome idiots who either know better about what we should be doing or even worse are calling one of our most successful managers a bald pcunt. Really. Some of you people have no idea.

show me a link to anyone that calls BM that. i read this every day and have never seen it.

Definitely been posted on here. Brian has been called a pcunt (silent p) on here many times. You ungrateful shits.

as I've posted before, the Scummers away thread was where this really raised it's ugly head. Go and read it. And yes I agree with Maguire and PH. We shitted on Brian so that we would still get relegated, meanwhile people who were saying Brian was the best manager in Britain (or some other bollocks) are now 8 months later saying he's shit. Give it 8 months Adkins.

That said, disagree about RFC fans. Having read the shit on West Ham and Chelsea forums and also having sat in with Arsenal fans at the Emirates I can honestly say they truly are Premier League fickle cunts.

[southbank1871]

Did you go yesterday Ian or watch it on a stream

[Royal Lady]

I was referring to the poster who always has a condescending air when addressing any of my posts. Someone who, though Norwich is closer to his hometown than Reading, doesn't appear to have been bothered to attend the game.

[southbank1871]

Hence the laughter, of course he didn't go, but he has more opinions than anyone.

[winchester_royal]

I don't think I said you did. Many have though.

'Many'? No. I seriously doubt you'll find more than 10 examples of different posters calling Brian useless or a cnut.

[Millsy]

We should have won this game. Adkins shouldn't have been appointed if he can't turn it around. We should never have sacked Brin bla bla ba

What utter BS.

Let me spell out the simple facts of what is going on . Anyone who disagrees with any of it needs to have a long hard think.

1- whether we like it or not, Brian is gone, so he need not be mentioned again.
2- whether we like it or not, we were realistically down before Adkins joined us
3- whether we like it or not, Adkins was brought int to change the way we play so when we do go back up we'll have a hope in hell of staying up
4- whether we like it or not this will OBVIOUSLY take time
5- whether we like it or not, that time includes now, when we have nothing else to lose and Adkins needs to experiment so he can decide what needs to be done in the summer
6- whether we like it or not, we need to have patience
7- whether we like it or not, I've decided to wrote "whether we like it or not" at the beginning of every point.

Those are pretty much all facts. You can not like it and bitch, but you can't deny those facts. Tts the way it is, so move on and put up with it.

I, for one, like it. So it's easy for me to say.

[ruprecht]

Whilst I can understand the logic of using the rest of this season as an experiment I hope the club will understand that I'll not be attending any of these training sessions this season when they cost the best part of £40. This season has been pretty diabolical for everything related to RFC.

[Ian Royal]

Karacan has been pretty ropey last few games IMO. Did you go yesterday Ian or watch it on a stream? Only we paid for tickets to that game and though we played rather better than in some previous games, this was one game where we could have realistically got a point or 3. Norwich hadn't won in something like 10 games. Their goals were basically gifted to them thanks to our poor defending. Plus I think it was mcanuff who had one, poss 2 chances on goal but wasn't confident enough to have a go and chose to pass instead and we ended up giving the ball away.

I can't motivate myself to giving up an entire weekend to go and see us lose when I can see every game on the internet, I just don't really plan ahead enough to be able to do it. I'm going to save my money and go next season instead.

I'm like the opposite of a glory hunter. Three seasons in the top flight and I don't think I've yet hit double figures for PL games, when that's what I'd normally manage each Champ season.

I don't really rate Karacan, so I'm trying to suspend my natural negativity for him. Thought he was one of the worst players on the pitch against Liverpool, but much improved yesterday. Still not particularly enamoured with him starting, but hey.

I agree we could have got a point or three, I agree our defending poorly for a few minutes gifted them the game. I agree McAnuff was one of the players who seemed hesitant to shoot. Bar that few minutes of madness, I think we could have got a point or three. But that's what you get when you've got a team used to losing and low on confidence and form.

But had we got 3 points yesterday, people would be saying we can still do this! Anyhow, I'd rather be us than QPR after all the money they've spent! So it's not all doom and gloom!

Not many would have.

watched is watched.

[LoyalRoyalFan]

Just questioning why he's so much better than Brian and why some of you think that.

This.

Shocking decision from day one to sack Brian.

[P!ssed Off]

I can't motivate myself to giving up an entire weekend to go and see us lose when I can see every game on the internet, I just don't really plan ahead enough to be able to do it. I'm going to save my money and go next season instead.

I'm like the opposite of a glory hunter. Three seasons in the top flight and I don't think I've yet hit double figures for PL games, when that's what I'd normally manage each Champ season.

I don't really rate Karacan, so I'm trying to suspend my natural negativity for him. Thought he was one of the worst players on the pitch against Liverpool, but much improved yesterday. Still not particularly enamoured with him starting, but hey.

I agree we could have got a point or three, I agree our defending poorly for a few minutes gifted them the game. I agree McAnuff was one of the players who seemed hesitant to shoot. Bar that few minutes of madness, I think we could have got a point or three. But that's what you get when you've got a team used to losing and low on confidence and form.

Wait, weren't you the person who I debated with about McCanuff's role as captain? If I knew at the time that you didn't even go to games I wouldn't have bothered.
No wonder you claimed it was impossible to judge McCanuff's role as captain by his attitude on the pitch, because you've barely seen him on the pitch as captain.
At least people talking on BBC Berks tend to annonce pre-comment whether they were at the match so I can save myself from considering their comments.

Just found your comments in that conversation:

"Can you let me know how it is you've managed to get passes to watch the squad at the training ground, view team meetings and pre, post and during match talks please?
Obviously you must have been present for all those things, otherwise you've really got no way of judging McAnuff's leadership qualities."

"The McAnuff I watch does talk to the players. He does lead by example. He tracks back and does his defensive work, he always keeps plugging away even when it's not going right for him. His head does go down when he's not having much joy against the full back and now when we conceed again, but it doesn't stop him talking to the players or keeping on trying."

Some oxf*rd cheek, for someone that barely attends games.

[LoyalRoyalFan]

Slagging off McAnuff as captain?

I must have missed that Championship he led us too.

[windermere_royal]

We should have won this game. Adkins shouldn't have been appointed if he can't turn it around. We should never have sacked Brin bla bla ba

What utter BS.

Let me spell out the simple facts of what is going on . Anyone who disagrees with any of it needs to have a long hard think.

1- whether we like it or not, Brian is gone, so he need not be mentioned again.
2- whether we like it or not, we were realistically down before Adkins joined us
3- whether we like it or not, Adkins was brought int to change the way we play so when we do go back up we'll have a hope in hell of staying up
4- whether we like it or not this will OBVIOUSLY take time
5- whether we like it or not, that time includes now, when we have nothing else to lose and Adkins needs to experiment so he can decide what needs to be done in the summer
6- whether we like it or not, we need to have patience
7- whether we like it or not, I've decided to wrote "whether we like it or not" at the beginning of every point.

Those are pretty much all facts. You can not like it and bitch, but you can't deny those facts. Tts the way it is, so move on and put up with it.

I, for one, like it. So it's easy for me to say.

Very well said. especially number 1

[P!ssed Off]

Slagging off McAnuff as captain?

I must have missed that Championship he led us too.

Its not really relevant who was right or even that the conversation was about the captain.
Ian Royal was accusing many others of "pig blind ignorance" and prejudice against a player and it turns out he doesn't even go to games.

I go to every single home game and many away. McAnuff, who we were debating, is literally the closest Reading player to me for 45 mins 20 + times a season. Yet someone who barely attends games had the cheek to accuse me of 'ignorance' on the subject. I find this mildly irritating.

[leon]

Karacan has been pretty ropey last few games IMO. Did you go yesterday Ian or watch it on a stream? Only we paid for tickets to that game and though we played rather better than in some previous games, this was one game where we could have realistically got a point or 3. Norwich hadn't won in something like 10 games. Their goals were basically gifted to them thanks to our poor defending. Plus I think it was mcanuff who had one, poss 2 chances on goal but wasn't confident enough to have a go and chose to pass instead and we ended up giving the ball away.

I can't motivate myself to giving up an entire weekend to go and see us lose when I can see every game on the internet, I just don't really plan ahead enough to be able to do it. I'm going to save my money and go next season instead.

I'm like the opposite of a glory hunter. Three seasons in the top flight and I don't think I've yet hit double figures for PL games, when that's what I'd normally manage each Champ season.

I don't really rate Karacan, so I'm trying to suspend my natural negativity for him. Thought he was one of the worst players on the pitch against Liverpool, but much improved yesterday. Still not particularly enamoured with him starting, but hey.

I agree we could have got a point or three, I agree our defending poorly for a few minutes gifted them the game. I agree McAnuff was one of the players who seemed hesitant to shoot. Bar that few minutes of madness, I think we could have got a point or three. But that's what you get when you've got a team used to losing and low on confidence and form.
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But had we got 3 points yesterday, people would be saying we can still do this! Anyhow, I'd rather be us than QPR after all the money they've spent! So it's not all doom and gloom!

Not many would have.

watched is watched.

absolutely not. Watch a game live you can see the whole game, what is happening off the ball is often more important than what is happening on the ball. You can't see that on TV. I would expect you to appreciate that.

Anyway how can going to see 90 mins of a football game use up your entire weekend...where do you live, Scotland?

[creative_username_1]

absolutely not. Watch a game live you can see the whole game, what is happening off the ball is often more important than what is happening on the ball. You can't see that on TV. I would expect you to appreciate that.

Anyway how can going to see 90 mins of a football game use up your entire weekend...where do you live, Scotland?

Depends how you watch the football at live games i spose (plus there are advantages such as replays etc for tv)

[Ginger Ninjas]

We should have won this game. Adkins shouldn't have been appointed if he can't turn it around. We should never have sacked Brin bla bla ba

What utter BS.

Let me spell out the simple facts of what is going on . Anyone who disagrees with any of it needs to have a long hard think.

1- whether we like it or not, Brian is gone, so he need not be mentioned again.
2- whether we like it or not, we were realistically down before Adkins joined us
3- whether we like it or not, Adkins was brought int to change the way we play so when we do go back up we'll have a hope in hell of staying up
4- whether we like it or not this will OBVIOUSLY take time
5- whether we like it or not, that time includes now, when we have nothing else to lose and Adkins needs to experiment so he can decide what needs to be done in the summer
6- whether we like it or not, we need to have patience
7- whether we like it or not, I've decided to wrote "whether we like it or not" at the beginning of every point.

Those are pretty much all facts. You can not like it and bitch, but you can't deny those facts. Tts the way it is, so move on and put up with it.

I, for one, like it. So it's easy for me to say.

Like

[RoyallyFcuked]

We should have won this game. Adkins shouldn't have been appointed if he can't turn it around. We should never have sacked Brin bla bla ba

What utter BS.

Let me spell out the simple facts of what is going on . Anyone who disagrees with any of it needs to have a long hard think.

1- whether we like it or not, Brian is gone, so he need not be mentioned again.
2- whether we like it or not, we were realistically down before Adkins joined us
3- whether we like it or not, Adkins was brought int to change the way we play so when we do go back up we'll have a hope in hell of staying up
4- whether we like it or not this will OBVIOUSLY take time
5- whether we like it or not, that time includes now, when we have nothing else to lose and Adkins needs to experiment so he can decide what needs to be done in the summer
6- whether we like it or not, we need to have patience
7- whether we like it or not, I've decided to wrote "whether we like it or not" at the beginning of every point.

Those are pretty much all facts. You can not like it and bitch, but you can't deny those facts. Tts the way it is, so move on and put up with it.

I, for one, like it. So it's easy for me to say.

Whether we like it or not, this post was spot on.

[Schards#2]

Some bizzare comments on this thread and, apparently, just as bad on BBCRB. I would assume some on here are just trolling but, sadly. not all.

The first thing to say is any criticism of Adkins should be divorced from opinions of Brian and the decision to sack him. It is, currently, comparing apples with oranges. Adkins has not been brought in to kick a squad, which should be performing better, up the arse, a la QPR and Sunderland. He's been brought in take the club forward in the longer term with an entirely new approach, therefore, to start passing judgement when he doesn't have a single player of his choice at his disposal and is trying to instill a new approach on the players we have is ludicrous. The time for comparisons will be an 12 - 18 months and where we are as a club then.

Brian's gone and he's not coming back, the vast majority think he did a great job overall and thank him for it and a large majority think he was shabbily treated but it's happened. For me, we were going to be relegated regardless of what manager we had, what system we played, what subs we used and when because the players simply aren't good enough at this level. The argument should be about who would be better for the longer term.

We are beginning to see the change Adkins will bring from a side that soaked up pressure and tried to snatch goals from breakaways and set pieces to a side that will try and dominate possession and win through that. That change will take time and a change of some personnel and, during the transition, it will at times be painful (certainly we are palpably not good enough to do this successfully at this level atm). Clearly, our centre halfs are not yet entirely comfortable with it and the opposition sense this and close them down. But it is getting better and a few times on Saturday we passed through the pressing Norwich team to a midfield that then had some space. The better we get at it, the less teams will press and the further up the field we can have comfortable possession. On Saturday we had 55% possession. I would guess that, perhaps with the exception of QPR away, that is the first away game we've been over 40-45%. Would I rather have won with 30%? Yes, but does losing mean there is no progress? Of course not.

My greatest fear is that the owner and fans won't have the patience to see this transition through because it will take time. Listening to the fans behind me on Saturday, their patience doesn't seem to run much beyond the concession of a goal. From being wholly supportive of our performance and approach, they were screaming that we are a clueless embarrasement in the space of 5 minutes sloppy football. God knows what it'll be like when we are 0-1 at home to Charlton next season.

The rest of this season (since Wigan at home really) and probably the first few months of the next are going to be testing. The fans need to man up, see the bigger picture and stop wallowing in self pity.

[The Beardy Man]

Some bizzare comments on this thread and, apparently, just as bad on BBCRB. I would assume some on here are just trolling but, sadly. not all.

The first thing to say is any criticism of Adkins should be divorced from opinions of Brian and the decision to sack him. It is, currently, comparing apples with oranges. Adkins has not been brought in to kick a squad, which should be performing better, up the arse, a la QPR and Sunderland. He's been brought in take the club forward in the longer term with an entirely new approach, therefore, to start passing judgement when he doesn't have a single player of his choice at his disposal and is trying to instill a new approach on the players we have is ludicrous. The time for comparisons will be an 12 - 18 months and where we are as a club then.

Brian's gone and he's not coming back, the vast majority think he did a great job overall and thank him for it and a large majority think he was shabbily treated but it's happened. For me, we were going to be relegated regardless of what manager we had, what system we played, what subs we used and when because the players simply aren't good enough at this level. The argument should be about who would be better for the longer term.

We are beginning to see the change Adkins will bring from a side that soaked up pressure and tried to snatch goals from breakaways and set pieces to a side that will try and dominate possession and win through that. That change will take time and a change of some personnel and, during the transition, it will at times be painful (certainly we are palpably not good enough to do this successfully at this level atm). Clearly, our centre halfs are not yet entirely comfortable with it and the opposition sense this and close them down. But it is getting better and a few times on Saturday we passed through the pressing Norwich team to a midfield that then had some space. The better we get at it, the less teams will press and the further up the field we can have comfortable possession. On Saturday we had 55% possession. I would guess that, perhaps with the exception of QPR away, that is the first away game we've been over 40-45%. Would I rather have won with 30%? Yes, but does losing mean there is no progress? Of course not.

My greatest fear is that the owner and fans won't have the patience to see this transition through because it will take time. Listening to the fans behind me on Saturday, their patience doesn't seem to run much beyond the concession of a goal. From being wholly supportive of our performance and approach, they were screaming that we are a clueless embarrasement in the space of 5 minutes sloppy football. God knows what it'll be like when we are 0-1 at home to Charlton next season.

The rest of this season (since Wigan at home really) and probably the first few months of the next are going to be testing. The fans need to man up, see the bigger picture and stop wallowing in self pity.

100% agreed.

Change will take time, for my own part I am confident it will be time ultimately well spent.

[sandman]

I realise it's an alien concept on here but...

You can criticise a manager for making mistakes in a certain game and still be able to see what they're trying to do in the long term.