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Re: Relegation

by Torbay Royal » 01 Aug 2021 14:47

Fans on the Stoke fans forum “the oatcake” share a similar sense of pending doom.

16 players out, 3 in.

We’re not alone in feeling under prepared so judge the team after the first ten games.

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Re: Relegation

by Stranded » 01 Aug 2021 15:09

It's almost as if, at least half the clubs in this division are strapped for cash.

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Re: Relegation

by windermereROYAL » 01 Aug 2021 15:33

Stranded It's almost as if, at least half the clubs in this division are strapped for cash.


Hardly surprising really when we`ve just spent a season and a quarter playing in empty stadiums. i would say more than half.

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Re: Relegation

by Snowflake Royal » 01 Aug 2021 16:09

windermereROYAL Melvin-Lambert is out on loan snowy. and just 2 AMs?

Thought he played in a friendly recently. Will edit.

If you have any other names for thr AMS I'm missing, happy to update.

Might even reformat to highlight injuries and those in multiple positions.

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Re: Relegation

by Hound » 01 Aug 2021 16:33

Stranded It's almost as if, at least half the clubs in this division are strapped for cash.


They are. And there’s a fair amount of toss in there as well - Cov, Peterborough, Derby, Luton, Hudders, Brizzle etc. Sadly no Rotherham to take one of the bottom 3 spots by default

We’ll be mid table I reckon


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Re: Relegation

by Hendo » 01 Aug 2021 16:37

Stranded It's almost as if, at least half the clubs in this division are strapped for cash.


No, no… you’re forgetting the expert opinions of a few betwetters on Twitter saying that we’re nailed on to be relegated so we might as well not bother turning up…

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Re: Relegation

by Elm Park Kid » 01 Aug 2021 21:39

Stranded It's almost as if, at least half the clubs in this division are strapped for cash.


Kind of ironically, neither us nor Stoke are 'strapped for cash', we're just not allowed to spend it (rightly imo).

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Re: Relegation

by Pepe the Horseman » 02 Aug 2021 18:46

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Stranded It's almost as if, at least half the clubs in this division are strapped for cash.


Kind of ironically, neither us nor Stoke are 'strapped for cash', we're just not allowed to spend it (rightly imo).

Stoke just bid £5.5m for Sam Surridge, so obvs not quite as fcuked as us.

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Re: Relegation

by Lower West » 02 Aug 2021 20:27

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Stranded It's almost as if, at least half the clubs in this division are strapped for cash.


Kind of ironically, neither us nor Stoke are 'strapped for cash', we're just not allowed to spend it (rightly imo).


The rules are hardly new. Our owner took a massive punt and failed. Now we are paying the consequences.


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Re: Relegation

by Stranded » 02 Aug 2021 21:51

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Stranded It's almost as if, at least half the clubs in this division are strapped for cash.


Kind of ironically, neither us nor Stoke are 'strapped for cash', we're just not allowed to spend it (rightly imo).

Stoke just bid £5.5m for Sam Surridge, so obvs not quite as fcuked as us.


No but that is a massive waste of money.

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Re: Relegation

by Lower West » 02 Aug 2021 22:58

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Kind of ironically, neither us nor Stoke are 'strapped for cash', we're just not allowed to spend it (rightly imo).

Stoke just bid £5.5m for Sam Surridge, so obvs not quite as fcuked as us.


No but that is a massive waste of money.


We've spent millions over the past 5/6 years and have little to show for it.

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Re: Relegation

by Stranded » 03 Aug 2021 08:22

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Pepe the Horseman Stoke just bid £5.5m for Sam Surridge, so obvs not quite as fcuked as us.


No but that is a massive waste of money.


We've spent millions over the past 5/6 years and have little to show for it.


Yes I know but I don't think he is worth 5.5m - his record in the Champ is 1 in 3 (by minutes played) which is OK but not a fan.

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by Simmops » 03 Aug 2021 12:16

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No but that is a massive waste of money.


We've spent millions over the past 5/6 years and have little to show for it.


Yes I know but I don't think he is worth 5.5m - his record in the Champ is 1 in 3 (by minutes played) which is OK but not a fan.


5.5 MILLION compared to Aluko...... it is a bargain


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Re: Relegation

by TiagoIlori » 03 Aug 2021 12:44

As much as our owners have invested, I do feel we are experiencing the long term consequences of their want to just spend lots of money and we have no idea who they even are. I hope when our FFP issues are behind us the EFL do more to monitor championship clubs finances in the future, but they won’t because they only like kicking teams when they’re down rather than helping them before the situation worsens. They should’ve done more to help us avoid this situation by closing down these asset selling loopholes after one team did it and given us transfer clarity far earlier than they did.

Many teams in the championship are struggling badly due to covid, but I’m not sure how many of them are struggling to the extent they have to rely on academy lads for depth after a number of players left an already thin squad this summer.

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by Wycombe Royal » 03 Aug 2021 13:17

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Stranded It's almost as if, at least half the clubs in this division are strapped for cash.


Kind of ironically, neither us nor Stoke are 'strapped for cash', we're just not allowed to spend it (rightly imo).

Stoke just bid £5.5m for Sam Surridge, so obvs not quite as fcuked as us.

Bournemouth fans are in disbelief over this, they don't reckon he is worth over a £1m.....

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Re: Relegation

by Lower West » 03 Aug 2021 13:26

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We've spent millions over the past 5/6 years and have little to show for it.


Yes I know but I don't think he is worth 5.5m - his record in the Champ is 1 in 3 (by minutes played) which is OK but not a fan.


5.5 MILLION compared to Aluko...... it is a bargain


Puscas?

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Re: Relegation

by Lower West » 03 Aug 2021 13:28

TiagoIlori As much as our owners have invested, I do feel we are experiencing the long term consequences of their want to just spend lots of money and we have no idea who they even are. I hope when our FFP issues are behind us the EFL do more to monitor championship clubs finances in the future, but they won’t because they only like kicking teams when they’re down rather than helping them before the situation worsens. They should’ve done more to help us avoid this situation by closing down these asset selling loopholes after one team did it and given us transfer clarity far earlier than they did.

Many teams in the championship are struggling badly due to covid, but I’m not sure how many of them are struggling to the extent they have to rely on academy lads for depth after a number of players left an already thin squad this summer.


There's no need for sympathy. If we had been promoted then would all be smiles and this conversation won't even be happening. Brentford found a way. A better model.

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Re: Relegation

by TiagoIlori » 03 Aug 2021 14:45

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TiagoIlori As much as our owners have invested, I do feel we are experiencing the long term consequences of their want to just spend lots of money and we have no idea who they even are. I hope when our FFP issues are behind us the EFL do more to monitor championship clubs finances in the future, but they won’t because they only like kicking teams when they’re down rather than helping them before the situation worsens. They should’ve done more to help us avoid this situation by closing down these asset selling loopholes after one team did it and given us transfer clarity far earlier than they did.

Many teams in the championship are struggling badly due to covid, but I’m not sure how many of them are struggling to the extent they have to rely on academy lads for depth after a number of players left an already thin squad this summer.


There's no need for sympathy. If we had been promoted then would all be smiles and this conversation won't even be happening. Brentford found a way. A better model.

Our problems are self inflicted, but it’s more the EFL haven’t really helped us. As the main protection that limits the power of the owners to protect the long term wellbeing of the club, they don’t seem to have done that. Why did they let us spend 15m on two strikers in one summer when we played 4-2-3-1 and had a soft transfer embargo? There’s next to no transparency or accountability.

I too hope we follow the routes of Brentford and even QPR in developing players that either become assets or we sell for huge amounts. It pains me to think we used to be like that as well.

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Re: Relegation

by Snowflake Royal » 03 Aug 2021 17:23

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TiagoIlori As much as our owners have invested, I do feel we are experiencing the long term consequences of their want to just spend lots of money and we have no idea who they even are. I hope when our FFP issues are behind us the EFL do more to monitor championship clubs finances in the future, but they won’t because they only like kicking teams when they’re down rather than helping them before the situation worsens. They should’ve done more to help us avoid this situation by closing down these asset selling loopholes after one team did it and given us transfer clarity far earlier than they did.

Many teams in the championship are struggling badly due to covid, but I’m not sure how many of them are struggling to the extent they have to rely on academy lads for depth after a number of players left an already thin squad this summer.


There's no need for sympathy. If we had been promoted then would all be smiles and this conversation won't even be happening. Brentford found a way. A better model.

Our problems are self inflicted, but it’s more the EFL haven’t really helped us. As the main protection that limits the power of the owners to protect the long term wellbeing of the club, they don’t seem to have done that. Why did they let us spend 15m on two strikers in one summer when we played 4-2-3-1 and had a soft transfer embargo? There’s next to no transparency or accountability.

I too hope we follow the routes of Brentford and even QPR in developing players that either become assets or we sell for huge amounts. It pains me to think we used to be like that as well.

Why should the EFL help us? They told us the rules, we didn't follow them.

We should take some responsibility for our actions not demand someone should have babysat us harder.

The fans have constantly been calling for more spending and ambition. They'd have been outraged at interference from the FL before we'd broken any rules.

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Re: Relegation

by TiagoIlori » 03 Aug 2021 19:37

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There's no need for sympathy. If we had been promoted then would all be smiles and this conversation won't even be happening. Brentford found a way. A better model.

Our problems are self inflicted, but it’s more the EFL haven’t really helped us. As the main protection that limits the power of the owners to protect the long term wellbeing of the club, they don’t seem to have done that. Why did they let us spend 15m on two strikers in one summer when we played 4-2-3-1 and had a soft transfer embargo? There’s next to no transparency or accountability.

I too hope we follow the routes of Brentford and even QPR in developing players that either become assets or we sell for huge amounts. It pains me to think we used to be like that as well.

Why should the EFL help us? They told us the rules, we didn't follow them.

We should take some responsibility for our actions not demand someone should have babysat us harder.

The fans have constantly been calling for more spending and ambition. They'd have been outraged at interference from the FL before we'd broken any rules.

But we are not exactly “we” are we? Fans have next to no say on how the club is run, yet ultimately they are the most punished long term for the actions of certain individuals. The EFL have been at our heels over FFP since our massive losses during 17/18 and 18/19 so to then allow the club to spend that much straight after the soft transfer embargo was lifted was irresponsible, not to mention as I said them not closing that loophole to prevent stadium and training ground sales from counting towards FFP made it even worse for us.

If the EFL actually had some transparency over why x club can’t spend much money then it gives the fans no leg to stand on. Having a dedicated area of the website to show what embargo’s are in force is a positive step, but needs to go further. Owners of championship clubs have long been risking the clubs well-being to get into the premier league, it’s got to stop.

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