#SellBeforeWeDai Action/Inaction Group

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Re: “ Sell before we Dai “ supporters action group v2.2

by Orion1871 » 14 Sep 2023 07:54

morganb So, what are the options for protests and which, if any, will do any good?

Why will Dai pay any attention to half-a-dozen tennis balls on the pitch or half a stand refusing to leave at the end of the match? Surely these things are no more harmful to him that losing 3 points.

Also, how does the logic from the EFL of the club don't have the money to pay the wages therefore let's demand even more money off of them work? Surely we were set up to fail.


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Re: “ Sell before we Dai “ supporters action group v2.2

by Snowflake Royal » 14 Sep 2023 08:15

Delboy Why are our local MPs not stepping in, they should be banging on the Chinese ambassadors door for an explanation as to why Dai can not get his money out, is it the Chinese government or Dai does not have the money ?

I'm sure the Chinese ambassador could give two oxf*rd what some local non-entity MPs think about a football club and one private Chinese citizen. :roll:

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Re: “ Sell before we Dai “ supporters action group v2.2

by Snowflake Royal » 14 Sep 2023 08:17

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morganb So, what are the options for protests and which, if any, will do any good?

Why will Dai pay any attention to half-a-dozen tennis balls on the pitch or half a stand refusing to leave at the end of the match? Surely these things are no more harmful to him that losing 3 points.

Also, how does the logic from the EFL of the club don't have the money to pay the wages therefore let's demand even more money off of them work? Surely we were set up to fail.


No, the EFL are absolute saints and everything they do is brilliant.

They using the levers they have to apply pressure to an owner to enforce the rules all clubs signed up to.

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Re: “ Sell before we Dai “ supporters action group v2.2

by Snowflake Royal » 14 Sep 2023 08:27

morganb So, what are the options for protests and which, if any, will do any good?

Why will Dai pay any attention to half-a-dozen tennis balls on the pitch or half a stand refusing to leave at the end of the match? Surely these things are no more harmful to him that losing 3 points.

Also, how does the logic from the EFL of the club don't have the money to pay the wages therefore let's demand even more money off of them work? Surely we were set up to fail.

Principles of protest:
1) Must not make the club's position worse, i.e. trigger fines, point deductions, games cancelled, negative press coverage of violence/arrests etc.
2) Must be convenient and accessible to the vast majority of fans, for example, happen when they are already congregated at and intending to be at the ground normally.
3) Must be communicated to the fanbase widely through multiple channels in advance, with clear instructions on what is happening
4) Must not alienate players and staff, should be buttressed by clear support of players and staff at games. Show the positive noise we can make, and the negative.
5) Must be a very public loss of face for the owner
6) Must have no expectations of quick, short term success. Protest is a long game.

Ideally should try to know its place and expertise and not make ludicrous claims, demands or pretend it knows how to run a club. Some realism and humility will help spread the message better.

So, banners, chanting, pre-game marches. Sit someone vocal near Dim and Mick's booth and lots of loud but clean messages over their commentary. One of those coordinated displays pre-game like we've done with the hoops around the stadium, but with a different message... or the massive STAR flag. Local and national media. Flood the club with letters of complaint.

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Re: “ Sell before we Dai “ supporters action group v2.2

by Esteban » 14 Sep 2023 08:54

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morganb So, what are the options for protests and which, if any, will do any good?

Why will Dai pay any attention to half-a-dozen tennis balls on the pitch or half a stand refusing to leave at the end of the match? Surely these things are no more harmful to him that losing 3 points.

Also, how does the logic from the EFL of the club don't have the money to pay the wages therefore let's demand even more money off of them work? Surely we were set up to fail.

Principles of protest:
1) Must not make the club's position worse, i.e. trigger fines, point deductions, games cancelled, negative press coverage of violence/arrests etc.
2) Must be convenient and accessible to the vast majority of fans, for example, happen when they are already congregated at and intending to be at the ground normally.
3) Must be communicated to the fanbase widely through multiple channels in advance, with clear instructions on what is happening
4) Must not alienate players and staff, should be buttressed by clear support of players and staff at games. Show the positive noise we can make, and the negative.
5) Must be a very public loss of face for the owner
6) Must have no expectations of quick, short term success. Protest is a long game.

Ideally should try to know its place and expertise and not make ludicrous claims, demands or pretend it knows how to run a club. Some realism and humility will help spread the message better.

So, banners, chanting, pre-game marches. Sit someone vocal near Dim and Mick's booth and lots of loud but clean messages over their commentary. One of those coordinated displays pre-game like we've done with the hoops around the stadium, but with a different message... or the massive STAR flag. Local and national media. Flood the club with letters of complaint.


+1, excellent post


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Re: “ Sell before we Dai “ supporters action group v2.2

by leon » 14 Sep 2023 08:55

morganb So, what are the options for protests and which, if any, will do any good?

Why will Dai pay any attention to half-a-dozen tennis balls on the pitch or half a stand refusing to leave at the end of the match? Surely these things are no more harmful to him that losing 3 points.

Also, how does the logic from the EFL of the club don't have the money to pay the wages therefore let's demand even more money off of them work? Surely we were set up to fail.


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Re: “ Sell before we Dai “ supporters action group v2.2

by Hound » 14 Sep 2023 09:07

Problem is Dai has just put the shutters up

Can’t see any protest making the slightest bit of difference to him. We’ve no idea what he wants out of all this, and whether he genuinely wants to hang around for extra investment or whatever

These multiple points deductions don’t seem to be bothering him either

Expect we’ll get continuous points deductions until the clown finally just has enough and sells up. The EFL clearly have no other levers whatsoever and even they recognise it’s a poor punishment in the circumstances

Absolute shit state of affairs all round. Big respect for the players and Selles if they hang around and manage to perform despite this

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Re: “ Sell before we Dai “ supporters action group v2.2

by Lower West » 14 Sep 2023 10:43

Hound Problem is Dai has just put the shutters up



Down you mean. Not that he has ever put them up. Reading FC has only ever been a plaything in an attempt to outdo his mates who bought other clubs.

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Re: “ Sell before we Dai “ supporters action group v2.2

by WestYorksRoyal » 14 Sep 2023 10:51

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Hound Problem is Dai has just put the shutters up



Down you mean. Not that he has ever put them up. Reading FC has only ever been a plaything in an attempt to outdo his mates who bought other clubs.

To be fair, if it's a competition of "who can fcuk everything up the most", which it does seem to be with Chinese owners, Dai has smashed them all out of the park. Though WBA's owners do currently seem to be saying "hold my beer". Somehow Brum got out of it without long term damage despite plenty of chaos. Can probably thank Bellingham who must have brought in almost £50m after the sell on fee.


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Re: “ Sell before we Dai “ supporters action group v2.2

by Winston Biscuit » 14 Sep 2023 10:54

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Hound Problem is Dai has just put the shutters up



Down you mean


slid them sideways

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Re: “ Sell before we Dai “ supporters action group v2.2

by Hound » 14 Sep 2023 11:49

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Hound Problem is Dai has just put the shutters up



Down you mean


slid them sideways


Mine go up and down. Either way blocks out the noise

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Re: “ Sell before we Dai “ supporters action group v2.2

by Royal_jimmy » 14 Sep 2023 11:52

People moan about the owner on here and Twatter but don't do anything about it, don't show up to protests etc

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Re: “ Sell before we Dai “ supporters action group v2.2

by Silver Fox » 14 Sep 2023 12:09

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morganb So, what are the options for protests and which, if any, will do any good?

Why will Dai pay any attention to half-a-dozen tennis balls on the pitch or half a stand refusing to leave at the end of the match? Surely these things are no more harmful to him that losing 3 points.

Also, how does the logic from the EFL of the club don't have the money to pay the wages therefore let's demand even more money off of them work? Surely we were set up to fail.


No, the EFL are absolute saints and everything they do is brilliant.

They using the levers they have to apply pressure to an owner to enforce the rules all clubs signed up to.


All clubs have had to put a fund aside worth 125% of the wage bill?


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Re: “ Sell before we Dai “ supporters action group v2.2

by Snowflake Royal » 14 Sep 2023 12:15

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No, the EFL are absolute saints and everything they do is brilliant.

They using the levers they have to apply pressure to an owner to enforce the rules all clubs signed up to.


All clubs have had to put a fund aside worth 125% of the wage bill?

No, because they haven't failed to pay their wage bill. Dearie me.

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Re: “ Sell before we Dai “ supporters action group v2.2

by Ascotexgunner » 14 Sep 2023 17:52

Royal_jimmy People moan about the owner on here and Twatter but don't do anything about it, don't show up to protests etc


What difference will a protest make?
The guy is Chinese, I spent enough time in Hong Kong to realise the Chinese are thick skinned and very strong headed. Someone above mentioned about loss of face. That just isn't an option in Chinese culture.
Dai is going nowhere, he wants investment whilst hanging onto the club....leaving would be that loss of face with the mess we are in.
I wonder if that's why he let his last two clubs die. Losing interest is a far better excuse than abject failure in the running of a club.

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Re: “ Sell before we Dai “ supporters action group v2.2

by On Strings » 14 Sep 2023 17:56

Dai arrives at games just in time for kick-off and always leaves before the match ends. Any pitch protest after the game wouldn't be seen by him. But I also don't agree with SBWD's softy softly lets not do anything naughty approach. Follow your heart and vent when it feels right to vent. No one should tell you how to do it or when!

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Re: “ Sell before we Dai “ supporters action group v2.2

by WestYorksRoyal » 14 Sep 2023 18:23

On Strings Dai arrives at games just in time for kick-off and always leaves before the match ends. Any pitch protest after the game wouldn't be seen by him. But I also don't agree with SBWD's softy softly lets not do anything naughty approach. Follow your heart and vent when it feels right to vent. No one should tell you how to do it or when!

Why don't we just break into his box and intimidate him into selling?

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Re: “ Sell before we Dai “ supporters action group v2.2

by MIM Royal » 14 Sep 2023 20:38

Dai had the option to not accept the EFL judgment. He accepted the 125% call, but clearly hasn't got the money. Lets see if he now fails to pay wages this month or next?Totally incompetent owner, and the club and fans will continue to suffer until he goes.

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Re: “ Sell before we Dai “ supporters action group v2.2

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 15 Sep 2023 08:27

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Hound Problem is Dai has just put the shutters up



Down you mean. Not that he has ever put them up. Reading FC has only ever been a plaything in an attempt to outdo his mates who bought other clubs.

To be fair, if it's a competition of "who can fcuk everything up the most", which it does seem to be with Chinese owners, Dai has smashed them all out of the park. Though WBA's owners do currently seem to be saying "hold my beer". Somehow Brum got out of it without long term damage despite plenty of chaos. Can probably thank Bellingham who must have brought in almost £50m after the sell on fee.


Che Adams as well springs to mind there, they'd be in chaos if it wasn't for them two sales. At least their owners had some nous to take the large sums of money when offered to avoid further punishment. But yes, it does seem to be the Chinese owners across football at the moment. Ourselves, West Brom, Birmingham, Valencia, Wolves (to an extent) and even Barnsley were charged over the summer as well.

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Re: “ Sell before we Dai “ supporters action group v2.2

by WestYorksRoyal » 15 Sep 2023 08:57

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Down you mean. Not that he has ever put them up. Reading FC has only ever been a plaything in an attempt to outdo his mates who bought other clubs.

To be fair, if it's a competition of "who can fcuk everything up the most", which it does seem to be with Chinese owners, Dai has smashed them all out of the park. Though WBA's owners do currently seem to be saying "hold my beer". Somehow Brum got out of it without long term damage despite plenty of chaos. Can probably thank Bellingham who must have brought in almost £50m after the sell on fee.


Che Adams as well springs to mind there, they'd be in chaos if it wasn't for them two sales. At least their owners had some nous to take the large sums of money when offered to avoid further punishment. But yes, it does seem to be the Chinese owners across football at the moment. Ourselves, West Brom, Birmingham, Valencia, Wolves (to an extent) and even Barnsley were charged over the summer as well.

If Bellingham had come through Reading Dai would have blocked all offers until we lost him on a free :lol:

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