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Re: Rival Watch

by From Despair To Where? » 22 Apr 2024 20:27

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If Cardiff hadn’t chartered a dodgy aircraft with a discredited pilot it could have all been so different

Shame on them.


Wasn't it the agent who chartered the plane rather than Cardiff?

If it was, and unless he was also the agent contracted to Nantes, and further unless Nantes requested him to arrange said flight …… Cardiff have 3 hopes

One’s a boxer
One was an actor/comedian
The other is absolutely no hope


IIRC, Sala was going to take a regular flight over but it wasn't for a couple of days and Cardiff wanted him in the country sooner so it was a question of a mate of a mate knows someone type of thing.

It was all instigated by Cardiff.

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Re: Rival Watch

by SouthDownsRoyal » 22 Apr 2024 20:41

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Wasn't it the agent who chartered the plane rather than Cardiff?

If it was, and unless he was also the agent contracted to Nantes, and further unless Nantes requested him to arrange said flight …… Cardiff have 3 hopes

One’s a boxer
One was an actor/comedian
The other is absolutely no hope


IIRC, Sala was going to take a regular flight over but it wasn't for a couple of days and Cardiff wanted him in the country sooner so it was a question of a mate of a mate knows someone type of thing.

It was all instigated by Cardiff.


Seem to remember this being the case too from memory

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Re: Rival Watch

by From Despair To Where? » 22 Apr 2024 20:50

I'm just bemused that anyone at Cardiff thinks they even remotely have a leg to stand on.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Mr Optimist » 22 Apr 2024 21:00

Orion1871 Not currently rivals, but what a bunch of twats.

"Cardiff City is taking legal action against FC Nantes, seeking €120.2 million following a study suggesting they had a 54.2% chance of avoiding relegation with Emiliano Sala. They plan to submit an invoice of €120.2m to the French club."


A study by someone at Cardiff University? It all sounds a bit if my Uncle had a fanny she’d be my Aunt. Wasn’t it the agent who suggested the flight with the dodgy plane. The pilot who died, who seems to be not mentioned very often and gets forgotten about, was an innocent party too and had reservations about the condition of the plane being used beforehand. I thought it was Cardiff City and the agent who were in a rush to fly him to Cardiff when the player wanted to get a normal commercial flight. They were probably worried about being gazumped over the signing.

Cardiff have spent years trying to not pay FC Nantes the transfer fee they owe them, surely with all the legal costs built up it would have been better to have paid up, but wasn’t the problem that Cardiff hadn’t told their insurance broker to add Sala to their insurance cover?

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Re: Rival Watch

by Sutekh » 22 Apr 2024 22:20

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Orion1871 Not currently rivals, but what a bunch of twats.

"Cardiff City is taking legal action against FC Nantes, seeking €120.2 million following a study suggesting they had a 54.2% chance of avoiding relegation with Emiliano Sala. They plan to submit an invoice of €120.2m to the French club."


A study by someone at Cardiff University? It all sounds a bit if my Uncle had a fanny she’d be my Aunt. Wasn’t it the agent who suggested the flight with the dodgy plane. The pilot who died, who seems to be not mentioned very often and gets forgotten about, was an innocent party too and had reservations about the condition of the plane being used beforehand. I thought it was Cardiff City and the agent who were in a rush to fly him to Cardiff when the player wanted to get a normal commercial flight. They were probably worried about being gazumped over the signing.

Cardiff have spent years trying to not pay FC Nantes the transfer fee they owe them, surely with all the legal costs built up it would have been better to have paid up, but wasn’t the problem that Cardiff hadn’t told their insurance broker to add Sala to their insurance cover?


Cardiff, just another obnoxious little club. File under Forest.


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Re: Rival Watch

by Franchise FC » 23 Apr 2024 08:35

Orion1871 Not currently rivals, but what a bunch of twats.

"Cardiff City is taking legal action against FC Nantes, seeking €120.2 million following a study suggesting they had a 54.2% chance of avoiding relegation with Emiliano Sala. They plan to submit an invoice of €120.2m to the French club."


And I presume Nantes will file the invoice in the shredder

Hang on.
If Cardiff raise an invoice and are allowed to include it in their accounts, it may save them from further FFP issues in the short term.
Then, if bad debt write offs are excluded from FFP (I have no idea whether they are), this could wipe out the FFP issues altogether.

A wizard wheeze if they get away with it

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Re: Rival Watch

by Mr Angry » 23 Apr 2024 08:51

And they then get done for false accounting.

I can't see why Cardiff are suing Nantes over this.

- Cardiff buy Sala from Nantes with a fee agreed.

- Sala signs for and is registered by Cardiff, and is a Cardiff player (as determined by a Court)

- Cardiff pay Nantes the agreed transfer fee.

- Sala dies in a tragic accident.

- Cardiff get relegated from the Premier League

So, where is Nantes' liability in Cardiff's relegation? They seem to be the wholly innocent Party in all of this.

It would be like Man United suing Ajax for £85M because their purchase of the Ajax player Anthony for £85M didn't result in Man United winning the Premier League!

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Re: Rival Watch

by 6ft Kerplunk » 23 Apr 2024 09:25

Mr Optimist The pilot who died, who seems to be not mentioned very often and gets forgotten about, was an innocent party too and had reservations about the condition of the plane being used beforehand.


He may have had reservations about the plane but they didn't extend to owning up to not having a licence for the type of plane or not being allowed to fly at night.
Ibbotson's rating for flying the aircraft had expired in November 2018 which invalidated his licence, and he was not qualified to fly at night. David Henderson, who organised the flight and was originally scheduled to be the pilot, was charged with endangering the safety of an aircraft. He was found guilty on 28 October 2021, after a trial at Cardiff Crown Court and jailed for 18 months.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Sutekh » 23 Apr 2024 09:39

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Mr Optimist The pilot who died, who seems to be not mentioned very often and gets forgotten about, was an innocent party too and had reservations about the condition of the plane being used beforehand.


He may have had reservations about the plane but they didn't extend to owning up to not having a licence for the type of plane or not being allowed to fly at night.
Ibbotson's rating for flying the aircraft had expired in November 2018 which invalidated his licence, and he was not qualified to fly at night. David Henderson, who organised the flight and was originally scheduled to be the pilot, was charged with endangering the safety of an aircraft. He was found guilty on 28 October 2021, after a trial at Cardiff Crown Court and jailed for 18 months.


:shock: :roll: Nothing about 2 lives being lost just the property, says a lot about law and today's society.


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Re: Rival Watch

by SouthDownsRoyal » 23 Apr 2024 10:10

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Mr Optimist The pilot who died, who seems to be not mentioned very often and gets forgotten about, was an innocent party too and had reservations about the condition of the plane being used beforehand.


He may have had reservations about the plane but they didn't extend to owning up to not having a licence for the type of plane or not being allowed to fly at night.
Ibbotson's rating for flying the aircraft had expired in November 2018 which invalidated his licence, and he was not qualified to fly at night. David Henderson, who organised the flight and was originally scheduled to be the pilot, was charged with endangering the safety of an aircraft. He was found guilty on 28 October 2021, after a trial at Cardiff Crown Court and jailed for 18 months.


This. Any pilot who has reservations about an aircraft would not take the aircraft. The fact he knew he wasn’t licensed to fly the type or at night yet did so says a lot about him.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Snowflake Royal » 23 Apr 2024 10:28

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Mr Optimist The pilot who died, who seems to be not mentioned very often and gets forgotten about, was an innocent party too and had reservations about the condition of the plane being used beforehand.


He may have had reservations about the plane but they didn't extend to owning up to not having a licence for the type of plane or not being allowed to fly at night.
Ibbotson's rating for flying the aircraft had expired in November 2018 which invalidated his licence, and he was not qualified to fly at night. David Henderson, who organised the flight and was originally scheduled to be the pilot, was charged with endangering the safety of an aircraft. He was found guilty on 28 October 2021, after a trial at Cardiff Crown Court and jailed for 18 months.


:shock: :roll: Nothing about 2 lives being lost just the property, says a lot about law and today's society.

You think he should have been charged with manslaughter? Good luck with that one!

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Re: Rival Watch

by Stranded » 23 Apr 2024 12:21

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He may have had reservations about the plane but they didn't extend to owning up to not having a licence for the type of plane or not being allowed to fly at night.


:shock: :roll: Nothing about 2 lives being lost just the property, says a lot about law and today's society.

You think he should have been charged with manslaughter? Good luck with that one!


Yep, most likely got charged with the crime that they felt they had the best chance of getting a conviction in given he wasn't the one actually flying the plane.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Brogue » 23 Apr 2024 15:01

:arrow: General football lads come on. Let’s keep this thread for what it was intended for, our immediate rivals.
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Re: Rival Watch

by LUX » 23 Apr 2024 16:42

Spot on, Brogue.

This is one of the few Team Board threads I follow.

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Re: Rival Watch

by LUX » 23 Apr 2024 20:19

Cheltenham 2-0 up early on v Peterborough reserves.

Cambridge in danger as much as Burton, unless they can beat Wycombe tonight.

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Re: Rival Watch

by The Royal Forester » 23 Apr 2024 20:34

As It Stands
Team P GD Pts
1
Reading
0 0 -6
1
Portsmouth
45 35 94
2
Wigan
0 0 -8
2
Derby
45 39 89
3
Bolton
45 35 86
4
Peterborough
45 28 83
5
Barnsley
45 18 75
6
Lincoln City
45 27 74
7
Oxford Utd
45 22 74
8
Blackpool
45 18 73
9
Stevenage
45 10 68
10
Wycombe
45 4 62
11
Leyton Orient
45 -4 62
12
Exeter
45 -14 61
14
Northampton
45 -9 59
15
Bristol Rovers
45 -14 57
16
Charlton
45 0 53
18
Shrewsbury
45 -30 48
19
Cambridge
45 -22 47
20
Burton
45 -25 46
21
Cheltenham
45 -23 44
22
Fleetwood
45 -26 40
23
Port Vale
45 -33 40
24
Carlisle
45 -38 30
V
BBC's As it stands table
Reading on top on -6 points. Why have we worried all season about relegation? The BBC will get us promoted somehow.

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Re: Rival Watch

by LUX » 23 Apr 2024 21:18

Cambridge score

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Re: Rival Watch

by LUX » 23 Apr 2024 21:30

One all, no longer safe

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Re: Rival Watch

by Snowflake Royal » 23 Apr 2024 22:53

So Cambridge need at least a point against Vale, or Cheltenham to not win or Burton to lose.

Ideal results imo are Burton lose, Cambridge at least draw and Cheltenham win.

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Re: Rival Watch

by WestYorksRoyal » 24 Apr 2024 08:15

At the top, it would be the most hilarious bottle job if Derby lose to Carlisle on Saturday, but even then Bolton would need a 4 goal swing to catch them. Chances probably at about 1%.

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