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Re: Pauno out

by Coppells Lost Coat » 05 Nov 2021 11:24

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With this injury crisis and the fact he can't even work with the players due to isolation, I would very much doubt it but nothing surprises in football. We've seen that if we even can just get Hoilett, Halilovic and maybe one other back on the park we can and will win games. This run is 95% down to the lack of fit players.


The injury crisis is definitely saving him just as much as its hampering him. Once we have a few more players back and we have senior options to chose from, the owners will surely look at the results and his position more seriously.


it could, yes. But it really isnt fair to judge him based on our current situation. As said elsewhere, we were doing well when we had a group of 14-15



Exactly, not many teams would be doing much better if in our current situation.

If you take Mitrovic away from Fulham - doubt they'd be 2nd. If you then take away Wilson and Seri - I doubt they'd be in Play offs.
Then replace the entire bench with youth team players, they would probably be exactly where we are now.

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Re: Pauno out

by Royal_jimmy » 05 Nov 2021 11:31

As I said earlier the reason I want him out is because we have only 29 points from the last 27 games with some superior players. All club's get injuries.

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Re: Pauno out

by paultheroyal » 05 Nov 2021 11:51

Royal_jimmy As I said earlier the reason I want him out is because we have only 29 points from the last 27 games with some superior players. All club's get injuries.


When you say it like that - its not good.

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by Hound » 05 Nov 2021 13:16

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Royal_jimmy As I said earlier the reason I want him out is because we have only 29 points from the last 27 games with some superior players. All club's get injuries.


When you say it like that - its not good.


yeah undoubtedly its poor. But then you throw in an 8th place finish and being reasonably competitive this season so far without making a cash signing, no signings at all last season, losing two of your best players and a horrendous injury list and its probably about par.

No clubs have 11-12 first team squad injured from what I can see. If we'd lost even 4 or 5 I'm sure we'd being doing ok - as we were a month or so ago

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Re: Pauno out

by Stranded » 05 Nov 2021 13:44

Royal_jimmy As I said earlier the reason I want him out is because we have only 29 points from the last 27 games with some superior players. All club's get injuries.


But injuries that leave them with less than a team's worth of established players?

How many 17 year olds will we need to field if this continues?


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by URZZZZ » 05 Nov 2021 14:00

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Royal_jimmy As I said earlier the reason I want him out is because we have only 29 points from the last 27 games with some superior players. All club's get injuries.


But injuries that leave them with less than a team's worth of established players?

How many 17 year olds will we need to field if this continues?


As is so often the case, the truth probably lies in the middle

There’s no disputing that our form has been poor since beating Bournemouth at the back end of January. We’ve picked up a couple of 3/4 win streaks in that period but aside from those, we’ve really struggled

On the other hand, comments like “all club’s get injuries” in terms of the context of the point being made is inaccurate for the reasons you outline. Doesn’t excuse the overall tactical inadequacies mind

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Re: Pauno out

by Hound » 05 Nov 2021 14:28

oh there's definitely plenty that he looks like has wrong - obvs always wary of being some supporter with a generally limited understanding of the game compared to a pro coach etc. However the seeming lack of ability to fight back from going a goal down, general lack of good chance creation and some pretty random subs don't point a great picture at times.

i wouldnt be gutted to see him leave by any means, but do think the job he has done is under appreciated at times. Think there's a fair few people who decided early on he wasn't up to it and seem to then be pretty reluctant to give a objective opinion now on the injuries and general lack of tools he has to work with

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by Stranded » 05 Nov 2021 15:43

Hound oh there's definitely plenty that he looks like has wrong - obvs always wary of being some supporter with a generally limited understanding of the game compared to a pro coach etc. However the seeming lack of ability to fight back from going a goal down, general lack of good chance creation and some pretty random subs don't point a great picture at times.

i wouldnt be gutted to see him leave by any means, but do think the job he has done is under appreciated at times. Think there's a fair few people who decided early on he wasn't up to it and seem to then be pretty reluctant to give a objective opinion now on the injuries and general lack of tools he has to work with


I would say that us the closest to my feelings on him.

His record since that Bournemouth win is average but is mitigated slightly by a) being the only side in the play off race who couldn't strengthen and b) the limitations on recruitment and injury crisis we are experiencing.

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Re: Pauno out

by Stranded » 05 Nov 2021 17:17

As an idea of where injuries have left us, 4 of the 5 youngest players to play even 1 minute in the Championship this season are Reading players.


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by Snowflake Royal » 05 Nov 2021 18:28

Stranded We may do well if we go down, we may struggle - I'd rather not find out but if it happens, it happens - fcuk all I can do about it.

We have a season or 2 more of trying to balance FFP books (if FFP still exists) and would much rather trundle along at this level until we can get that sorted rather than trying to rebuild from an even lower level.

As for the here and now, we have 23 players out injured across the first and u23 sides - that is our current problem, we can argue about tinkering here, changing formation there or giving a debut to X but until a decent amount of those players return the best we can hope for (esp with the points deduction) is keeping our heads above water and hope that when players come back, that they can make a positive impact on the team.

With so many players out you really need to manage your resources and get the best out of what you have.

Not really happening on either count

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by CountryRoyal » 05 Nov 2021 18:46

For me the most galling was Wycombe away last season. We didn’t have those injury concerns yet the approach was still clueless and negative - nothing has changed except he is now legitimately more hampered in what he can or can’t do, not like it really matters as he wouldn’t do it anyway.

I appreciate he hasn’t been dealt the best hand this season, but he hasn’t and likely won’t become a manager he isn’t. He’s taking us down and the idea that we should wait until our big hitters return so he can continue to be a passenger and not positively influence the outcome of games is frightening.

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Re: Pauno out

by Stranded » 05 Nov 2021 21:18

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Stranded We may do well if we go down, we may struggle - I'd rather not find out but if it happens, it happens - fcuk all I can do about it.

We have a season or 2 more of trying to balance FFP books (if FFP still exists) and would much rather trundle along at this level until we can get that sorted rather than trying to rebuild from an even lower level.

As for the here and now, we have 23 players out injured across the first and u23 sides - that is our current problem, we can argue about tinkering here, changing formation there or giving a debut to X but until a decent amount of those players return the best we can hope for (esp with the points deduction) is keeping our heads above water and hope that when players come back, that they can make a positive impact on the team.

With so many players out you really need to manage your resources and get the best out of what you have.

Not really happening on either count


Don't disagree but when the bulk of the resources available are 17 or 18 year old kids, who would realistically not be close to the bench in normal times, I have sympathy for why you may not use them too often.

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by Snowflake Royal » 06 Nov 2021 10:55

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We have a season or 2 more of trying to balance FFP books (if FFP still exists) and would much rather trundle along at this level until we can get that sorted rather than trying to rebuild from an even lower level.

As for the here and now, we have 23 players out injured across the first and u23 sides - that is our current problem, we can argue about tinkering here, changing formation there or giving a debut to X but until a decent amount of those players return the best we can hope for (esp with the points deduction) is keeping our heads above water and hope that when players come back, that they can make a positive impact on the team.

With so many players out you really need to manage your resources and get the best out of what you have.

Not really happening on either count


Don't disagree but when the bulk of the resources available are 17 or 18 year old kids, who would realistically not be close to the bench in normal times, I have sympathy for why you may not use them too often.

Except, when your senior players are struggling, tiring at the end of games and you're losing anyway with very obviously no route back into the game. You may as well rest your key players for 15 / 20 minutes so they're fresher next time.

And when you have a senior defender on the bench and your team is letting in goals regularly, use him.

There's so much benefit to using these young players as subs.

They gain match experience under no pressure. Already losing anyway.

Should you get more injuries, they're more prepared to start should you have no alternative.

You're resting one of your few senior players rather than making them play 90 minutes of losing football twice a week

You're also sending a message to them that even though options are limited they'll still get pulled if they're poor and they can't coast.

For me, the positives far outweigh the potential negatives of a poor game from a player out of their depth and maybe an extra goal or two against when already losing

We don't currently have a team. We have a small group of individuals and no balance and cohesion to the side. It's less than the sum of it's parts. Paunovic needs to do something about that. Not just give up and wait for players to return


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by Sutekh » 06 Nov 2021 12:24

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Snowflake Royal With so many players out you really need to manage your resources and get the best out of what you have.

Not really happening on either count


Don't disagree but when the bulk of the resources available are 17 or 18 year old kids, who would realistically not be close to the bench in normal times, I have sympathy for why you may not use them too often.

Except, when your senior players are struggling, tiring at the end of games and you're losing anyway with very obviously no route back into the game. You may as well rest your key players for 15 / 20 minutes so they're fresher next time.

And when you have a senior defender on the bench and your team is letting in goals regularly, use him.

There's so much benefit to using these young players as subs.

They gain match experience under no pressure. Already losing anyway.

Should you get more injuries, they're more prepared to start should you have no alternative.

You're resting one of your few senior players rather than making them play 90 minutes of losing football twice a week

You're also sending a message to them that even though options are limited they'll still get pulled if they're poor and they can't coast.

For me, the positives far outweigh the potential negatives of a poor game from a player out of their depth and maybe an extra goal or two against when already losing

We don't currently have a team. We have a small group of individuals and no balance and cohesion to the side. It's less than the sum of it's parts. Paunovic needs to do something about that. Not just give up and wait for players to return


Absolutely, plus the fact if putting one or two into the fray manages to salvage something out of a game then the “feel good” factor can only inspire their confidence.

Sticking them in the bench and then hearing that they’re not really an option is hardly good man management to me. If they’re really not ready then don’t name them and if that leaves just 2/3 subs incl. a keeper then so be it. Also might help bring home to the FL some of the inadequacies in FFP.

Things are still so “jury out” with VP.

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Re: Pauno out

by Donny Ironside » 06 Nov 2021 15:53

I think he will be gone very soon

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Re: Pauno out

by windermereROYAL » 06 Nov 2021 16:25

Pointless, we don`t make the decisions the owners do.

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Re: Pauno out

by Snowflake Royal » 06 Nov 2021 16:34

Swiftly closing in on a 60% loss rate this season.

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by SouthDownsRoyal » 06 Nov 2021 16:40

Pauno out

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Re: Pauno out

by CountryRoyal » 06 Nov 2021 21:33

windermereROYAL Pointless, we don`t make the decisions the owners do.


Same could be said about everything to do with the club so may as well shut down the forum.

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Re: Pauno out

by Stranded » 07 Nov 2021 07:06

Snowflake Royal Swiftly closing in on a 60% loss rate this season.


Yet still has a plus 40% win rate.

Strange season, only 4 teams have lost more than us but only 5 have won more.

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