Rumpole I'm not entirely sure why this is being called as a spoof.
TheSiege Many of us, apparently, are already prepared to sell their past, their Religion and their Country down the river!
I am good with this, it is about time we get over any stigma with being gay. You are what you are...
URZ!
TheSiege Many of us, apparently, are already prepared to sell their past, their Religion and their Country down the river!
RobRoyalTheSiege Many of us, apparently, are already prepared to sell their past, their Religion and their Country down the river!
1) the past: tradition isn't, on it's own, good enough reason to preserve something.
2) I'm not actually religious. This is because truth claims made by religions are generally either trite or false, and the moral teachings of the world's major religions are - I'll be generous - patchy in quality.
3) I don't believe that moral goodness lies in supporting my country right or wrong (as it happens, of course, we are quite a progressive and liberal country, so I'm not sure what you think you're referring to).
Other amusing idiocies in your post included (but were not limited to):
1) describing as "political correctness" the position that people should be allowed to oxf*rd whichever consenting adults they like.
2) your confusion over terms for left-wing economics (socialism) with those for left-wing ethics (liberalism).
3) your strange belief that homosexuality is other than the norm, despite overwhelming contrary evidence from human history and the animal kingdom.
But at least now I believe that you are 60, not 15, so well done there.
RobRoyalTheSiege Many of us, apparently, are already prepared to sell their past, their Religion and their Country down the river!
1) the past: tradition isn't, on it's own, good enough reason to preserve something.
2) I'm not actually religious. This is because truth claims made by religions are generally either trite or false, and the moral teachings of the world's major religions are - I'll be generous - patchy in quality.
3) I don't believe that moral goodness lies in supporting my country right or wrong (as it happens, of course, we are quite a progressive and liberal country, so I'm not sure what you think you're referring to).
Other amusing idiocies in your post included (but were not limited to):
1) describing as "political correctness" the position that people should be allowed to oxf*rd whichever consenting adults they like.
2) your confusion over terms for left-wing economics (socialism) with those for left-wing ethics (liberalism).
3) your strange belief that homosexuality is other than the norm, despite overwhelming contrary evidence from human history and the animal kingdom.
But at least now I believe that you are 60, not 15, so well done there.
I grew up in a land where as a Primary school pupil I could walk six miles home from School without ending up in a body-bag!
The Politically-correct society we now live in is far,far from my youth. England is a dumping ground for the trailer-trash of the known Universe - all here to make themselves wealthy at our expense. Every green field is being built on to provide houses for the huge influx of foreign Criminals who have arrived and require luxury
TheSiegeMouldyRoyal It must be awful being TheSeige, being terrified of anything remotely different from him be they atheists, liberals, "foreign criminals", local criminals, and worst of all "the Gays"!
Nothing terrifies me except my Childrens futures. Growing up and trying to have a life in an England that is rapidly becoming a third-world country because people like you have absolutely no sense of National identity. When you are sacked so that Poles or Ukrainians can be employed far more cheaply, tell me how good it feels! When your bank account is emptied by Nigerian fraudsters, please tell us all how happy you are!
The above were widely-known factual examples but, to enlighten you all, they do not refer to my personal experience.
melonhead have you ever driven/railed across or flown over this country?
its half empty!
TheSiege It is good to be able to say that you have come up trumps over one of the previous seven assertions. You are right, I am 60. The rest, as usual, is finely-manicured manure! And you are going to actually say something when (by which I mean stand up and state YOUR view)? I thought not.
TheSiegeRobRoyalTheSiege It is good to be able to say that you have come up trumps over one of the previous seven assertions. You are right, I am 60. The rest, as usual, is finely-manicured manure! And you are going to actually say something when (by which I mean stand up and state YOUR view)? I thought not.
That's quite a bizarre response considering that I've made absolutely clear my views on at least 4 subjects in the post you've just read. But I'll try again: my view is that people who find in a thread like this one evidence of 'political correctness,' or find it relevant to reply with reference to a 'socialist' thought police, or claim not to be homophobic and yet descend on a thread about openly gay footballers and decry our lack of thought for 'the past, religion and our country', are deeply, hopelessly confused.
My view is that in a perfect world there would be no need for people to takr a stand against the persecution of or intolerance towards minority groups, but we don't live in a perfect world, and so homophobia needs to be challenged and campaigns promoting tolerance and acceptance need to be supported. My view is that you are a white man who has seldom felt part of a group subject to prejudice and intolerance, and that's why you interpret a campaign like this one as just a bunch a fags trying to dangle their sweaty balls in your face. Whereas the rest of us can see it's just some people who want to be no longer burdened by having a secret that, were it exposed, might well ruin their careers.
Have you got a sense of my view yet?
In a 'Perfect World' my friend, RFC would be in Europe and everyone on this site would be in well-paying jobs - that they enjoy, in a Country that they feel patriotic about and is safe to bring their children up in! The problem about a 'Perfect World' is that people have to stand up and get rid of the 'wrongs' to make it so! Now, perhaps, for once, you may understand what I am saying. I would like a perfect world - unfortunately, I am in a minority of 'people who actually give a damn'!
TheSiege To Rob_Roy and Man_Friday (should someone post whilst I am writing this and making the thread dis-jointed). I have consistently, from my first post on this thread, been talking about the liberal/socialist 'Polically Correct' nature of the thread. As I also said with my first post, the thread looks like a wind-up.
I had thought that 'Political Correctness' had been so devalued that it was slowly dying a death - a topic not really to do with football or RFC in particular but, this thread really showed that I was wrong. I will say again, with absolute accuracy, I am neither homophobic, racist, ageist, gingerist or anything else. What I am is British, patriotic and aware of the huge damage done to our country by the 'who gives a sh*t' generation, a generation taught to believe that the English are second-class citizens in a world where only the minorities are important! I must admit, I had always assumed that whichever generation it was, they would always treat rubbish like that with the contempt it deserved. I must admit, I was wrong!
TheSiege To Rob_Roy and Man_Friday (should someone post whilst I am writing this and making the thread dis-jointed). I have consistently, from my first post on this thread, been talking about the liberal/socialist 'Polically Correct' nature of the thread. As I also said with my first post, the thread looks like a wind-up.
I had thought that 'Political Correctness' had been so devalued that it was slowly dying a death - a topic not really to do with football or RFC in particular but, this thread really showed that I was wrong. I will say again, with absolute accuracy, I am neither homophobic, racist, ageist, gingerist or anything else. What I am is British, patriotic and aware of the huge damage done to our country by the 'who gives a sh*t' generation, a generation taught to believe that the English are second-class citizens in a world where only the minorities are important! I must admit, I had always assumed that whichever generation it was, they would always treat rubbish like that with the contempt it deserved. I must admit, I was wrong!
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