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Re: Yeovil (H) BFTG

by winchester_royal » 02 Mar 2014 10:02

Ian Royal Don't agree with sacking adkins. He's not doing what we all wanted but he's going to have started with one big plan and then had the rug pulled from under it with Anton's disappearance and the inability to do as much in the transfer window as he'd want. Factor in the chronic injury problems with 3 first team regulars out for half a season or more and only 2 strikers and to be honest hovering around the play offs isn't bad performance for a relegated team.

Give him a season where the goalposts and resources don't shift and see how he does.

Usual caveat that if he's leading us ijto the bottom half and a relegation fight he gets the boot.

Lets not forget that coppell's 04/05 side fell apart post xmas and looked clueless. Yet a couple of good signings and evertthing clicked to points record next year. Failure this season doesn't mean he will fail every season.

I'm happy to stick with Adkins, as long as he starts leading us on a path of progression. While, as you rightly point out, he hasn't had the backing at board level that he was expecting, he still has (at this level) an excellent squad and a successful youth system to pick from. Yet on the pitch we've been going backwards. Obita is the only young player who's come through to play regular football, and results/performances have been mediocre at best with the odd exception.

It seems to me that Adkins has abandoned his principles in favour of a short term results. I can just about live with that if the results are good, but if they're not then he has to bear some criticism.

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Re: Yeovil (H) BFTG

by glass half full » 02 Mar 2014 10:06

This is really bizarre. How can we play 'like Brazil' against QPR and, with fundamentally the same core of players, be so poor against Blackburn and Yeovil? :?

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by brighton_royal » 02 Mar 2014 10:31

I also think that Adkins needs another season. He could conceivably turn this squad into a formidable Championship side and with a few additions (decent RW, decent striker, decent CB) one that could survive a season in the Prem. Hope to god we don't fluke a promotion this year though.

Sack him if we're in the bottom half this time next year.

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Re: Yeovil (H) BFTG

by RoyalBlue » 02 Mar 2014 10:34

Extended-Phenotype I'm an Adkins supporter (mainly because I'm a supporter of time, patience and generally just a cracking guy) but I basically agree with the premise that that, if we fail to make the play-offs then Adkins has failed and should go - though only if we have someone to replace him!


But why has he failed? Surely the prime reason is because he has not received the backing he needed from the owners and which you can be pretty sure he was promised when they were trying to talk him into taking the job.

First there was Anton's treachery and then there was Madejski's unfulfilled assurances of transfer funding for the last window. Yet again Madejki's cost cutting is looking like it will destroy the best chance we had to bounce back whilst we were still receiving parachute payments.

glass half full This is really bizarre. How can we play 'like Brazil' against QPR and, with fundamentally the same core of players, be so poor against Blackburn and Yeovil? :?


Because the team had a bit of a psychological lift when it became clear, following Madejski's broken assurances re funding, that they were the ones who would be playing for us for the rest of the campaign. Now we are sliding backwards, a large number of them will be realising that their future doesn't lie with Reading FC. No doubt the best players will have already been told by their agents that if Madejski remains in charge they will be sold/offloaded come the end of the season to help fill the black hole. Sadly, unless new ownership arrives very quickly, the only way is down for the rest of this season and at least the beginning of next.

brighton_royal I also think that Adkins needs another season. He could conceivably turn this squad into a formidable Championship side and with a few additions (decent RW, decent striker, decent CB) one that could survive a season in the Prem. Hope to god we don't fluke a promotion this year though.

Sack him if we're in the bottom half this time next year.


But if Madejski remains in charge, he won't be provided with the opportunity to make those additions.

I really wouldn't blame Adkins if he walks away blaming the ownership fiasco and absence of the backing he was promised when he took the job. Regardless of what his critics think, he will be very quickly snapped up by another club.

marlowuk People bemoaning our lack of investment have, imho, got it wrong. With the quality of the players we have we should be gaining a play-off place at least! The fact that less talented sides can hold us (and turn us over) is a matter of concern; the fact that our players have failed to score a goal in 3 consecutive home games against 'lesser' opposition is a cause for concern; the fact that we have reverted to hoof-ball after playing so well without it is a cause for concern. We should be doing better and the buck stops with NA.


Got it wrong??? You have got to be joking. We may have quality players but, thanks to Anton and Madejski pulling the plug, the balance of the squad is completely wrong. We only have two proven strikers at this level FFS!!! Other members of the squad may have quality but they are clearly not the type of player that fits what the manager wants.

ALF missed some guilt edged chances yesterday. Apart from the penalty the worst was when he blazed over an easy chance from the edge of the six yard box. Strikers have days like that but had Madejski delivered on his assurance of funding, Adkins would have been able to have switched ALF for Sharp who I am pretty damn sure would have found an opening at some point in yesterday's game.

As for the reversion to hoofball - that is not down to Adkins. That is clearly down to players reverting to type when the pressure is on. Adkins worked really hard to try to get them to change their style, and got a lot of criticism from some sections of our supporters for doing so. It had started to work but those players can't help but to revert to what they are most used to and comfortable with when they come under pressure.
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Re: Yeovil (H) BFTG

by SHORT AND CURLY » 02 Mar 2014 10:48

The whole point is that you can blame the "Board" as much as you like but the players he has at this time should be performing a damn sight better than they are. This I am afraid is where old Nige is letting himself and us down.


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Re: Yeovil (H) BFTG

by sandman » 02 Mar 2014 10:57

FFS stop pinning everything on Madejski. We have, or more accurately should have, some top players for this level who should be performing on the pitch better than they are instead they're unfit, more worried about stupid hairstyles and just generally not being up to much. The manager isn't getting enough out of them either, change of style or no change of style.

I used to laugh at teams who turned up here in 05/06 season with 'name' former PL players and how our rag tag bunch of lower league and league of Ireland players would turn them over with ease. Now we're the team with name players and getting outplayed by teams like Yeovil.
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Re: Yeovil (H) BFTG

by RoyalBlue » 02 Mar 2014 11:00

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RoyalBlue And there is the crux of the matter and exactly why we got our tactics wrong! Our thick players compounded the problem by crowding the box themselves! The majority of our players should have stayed out of the area and played it around the outside of the box, which would have created openings for shots. That would have forced their defenders into making tough decisions as to when to stay put or when to move out and close down. Our players made it easy for them by all going to stand in the midst of the giant defenders! :twisted:


Moving the ball around 30 yards from goal would have just been stalemate as Yeovil would have continued to defend basketball style with 4 on the 6 yard line and 4 at the top of the box. They would have stood and watched us play it around. We did have shots from distance but Yeovil threw bodies in the way of the ones on target. With them happy to take a point it was always going to be tough, but we should have been up to it. We mixed up the crosses - we hit low balls from the byeline, whipped crosses from out wide and ran at defenders. When we did get half chances their keeper was inspired or we snatched at them.

Spot on.



It would have been had the idea been to play the ball around 30 yards from goal but had people bothered to read things properly, that is not what was being advocated. What's more the idea that you can keep out goals merely by lining up players on the six yard line is absolute nonsense, particularly when there are only 7 outfield players left. If it was possible, we would see teams doing it all the time when they have 10 outfield players and want to hang onto a lead with ten minutes remaining. Anyone who believes it is possible should map out a goal and a six yard box and then see how many different angles there are available between them and the back of the net as they move around the edge of the area!

Our players were clueless in the way that they continually packed Yeovil's box, getting in each other's way and making it far easier for the Yeovil defenders to do their job. And why the f*ck try to dribble the ball past a defender that you have drawn out wide, rather than quickly move the ball to one of your many free teammates? You have taken a player out leaving them with just six plus a keeper left to defend. Move the ball quickly a couple of more times across the pitch and you have probably taken a couple more out of the game.

Had we spread our players out and moved the ball quickly around we would have got the winner.

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Re: Yeovil (H) BFTG

by Elm Park Old Boy » 02 Mar 2014 11:05

Is anyone else struck by the parallels with that awful year 2009? That year we were well -placed at Christmas and then for some reason won only one home league game for the rest of the season, allowing Birmingam to snatch promotion from under our noses, and Burnley to stiff us in the play-offs.

Our struggles at home just now are reminding me of those awful months.

Difference this time - we're starting from a lower base and may now struggle to make the play-offs.
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Re: Yeovil (H) BFTG

by RoyalBlue » 02 Mar 2014 11:06

sandman FFS stop pinning everything on Madejski. We have some top players for this level who should be performing on the pitch better than they are instead they're unfit, more worried about stupid hairstyles and just generally not being up to much. The manager isn't getting enough out of them either change of style or no change of style.

I used to laugh at teams who turned up here in 05/06 season with 'name' former PL players and how our rag tag bunch of lower league and league of Ireland players would turn them over with ease. Now we're the team with name players and getting outplayed by teams like Yeovil.


Madejeski is the man at the top and therefore, as with any organisation, the buck stops with him. Furthermore, in this instance he created the whole mess. He is clearly not quite the brilliant businessman that his besotted fan club make out. However, the thing that no one, even his biggest fan, can really defend him on is his failure to deliver on his very public, completely unqualified and repeated assurance of transfer funding being available in the last window. He didn't have to say that. No one made him. He chose to say it.

That's not the first time IMO that he has been guilty of bullshitting the fans, talking the talk and failing to deliver any walk. However, that is the one real instance that no honest person can deny or excuse.


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Re: Yeovil (H) BFTG

by Jano » 02 Mar 2014 11:07

Lack of squad depth screamed out to me. Taking Gorkss off who was winning most headers (or at least getting closer than anyone else) on all those corners for the completely ineffective Blackman was mind boggling. Akpan was poor, Williams looked knackered and as others have said, HRK should be nowhere near that team. Alf can't be allowed to take another penalty. You'd also think the players would realise after a season and a half that Pog isnt that great in the air, and chucking it up to him even against 4ft midgets like their no.20 is likely to end in us losing the ball.

Any other team would have two players capable of getting a goal on the bench, we have none. I would say Drenthe is the exception but he hasn't scored for us - yet. He is also the most frustrating player we have, not because of anything he does, but because the other players seem to want to give the ball to anyone except him, despite him being the only player we have who is really capable of creating something from nothing. It was so obvious that we should be getting the ball to him yesterday and just letting him run at their defence, yet time and again we either put the ball down the other side, or gave it to him in a position where he had no chance of doing anything with it other than lumping it into the box. Whenever he actually ran with the ball, he was taking 1-2 players completely out of the game, it's just a shame our other players are incapable of making any sort of run into space, which should have been a simple task yesterday considering how many men they were down. The only time we actually did it resulted in the goal.

Entertaining game though, and Drenthe poleaxing their very annoying number 15 with a shot was the definite highlight for me, had me in stitches for quite a while.

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by super darren caskey » 02 Mar 2014 11:29

If Adkins don't start Drenthe next game then he need's sacking

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Re: Yeovil (H) BFTG

by Stevie G » 02 Mar 2014 11:38

Elm Park Old Boy Is anyone else struck by the parallels with that awful year 2009? That year we were well -placed at Christmas and then for some reason won only one home league game for the rest of the season, allowing Birmingam to snatch promotion from under our noses, and Burnley to stiff us in the play-offs.

Our struggles at home just now are reminding me of those awful months.

Difference this time - we're starting from a lower base and may now struggle to make the play-offs.


I am. Around then I put it all down to a lack of harmony in the backroom and I can't see that being any different now. We had a lack of better deals in the Prem, players ego's, cloth cutting, want aways and more to contend with. I'd say this time round we have the biggest imbalance of wages against ability or product. Some could point to the QPR game as bucking the trend, but that just shows what the squad are capable of. This squad is much better than the results and the league position suggest, yet it fails to consistently deliver. If I wanted to send a humiliating message to my employees then the Madjeski is precisely where I'd do it, in front of thousands of potentially booing fans. We have a few want aways and sadly, as pointed out elsewhere, they'll still be, like Pearce was distracted by talk of Liverpool and couldn't even secure a lower Prem transfer.

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by P!ssed Off » 02 Mar 2014 12:05

sandman FFS stop pinning everything on Madejski.


Yeah, I've just had to block this RoyalBlue snooze fest.
So tedious: "Madejski this, Madejski that".


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by Loyal royal 247 » 02 Mar 2014 12:16

Embarrassing but entertaining .

How can we not beat bottom of the league with 8 men!

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by Stevie G » 02 Mar 2014 13:35

And, what's changed since QPR, the club 'announcement' that realistically we could no longer achieve automatic promotion through team junior Obita, when we're routinely peddled that they don't look at the table and take a fresh winning approach to every game. So we're left with the Playoffs and the thought of 3 arduous games which could still result in failure, to progress a club in complete uncertainty, must be really uninspiring for the players when they could be spending their millions with their families on a tropical beach.
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Re: Yeovil (H) BFTG

by brighton_royal » 02 Mar 2014 13:40

what

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Re: Yeovil (H) BFTG

by Jackson Corner » 02 Mar 2014 15:03

Everyone keeps saying how great we were at QPR. Have you seen there results lately? They have been worse than us. We have been in a false position all season. We will have a miserable run to the end of the season and finish in the bottom half.

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by Cureton's Volley » 02 Mar 2014 16:04

sandman FFS stop pinning everything on Madejski. We have, or more accurately should have, some top players for this level who should be performing on the pitch better than they are instead they're unfit, more worried about stupid hairstyles and just generally not being up to much. The manager isn't getting enough out of them either, change of style or no change of style.

I used to laugh at teams who turned up here in 05/06 season with 'name' former PL players and how our rag tag bunch of lower league and league of Ireland players would turn them over with ease. Now we're the team with name players and getting outplayed by teams like Yeovil.


Well said

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by Cureton's Volley » 02 Mar 2014 16:04

sandman FFS stop pinning everything on Madejski. We have, or more accurately should have, some top players for this level who should be performing on the pitch better than they are instead they're unfit, more worried about stupid hairstyles and just generally not being up to much. The manager isn't getting enough out of them either, change of style or no change of style.

I used to laugh at teams who turned up here in 05/06 season with 'name' former PL players and how our rag tag bunch of lower league and league of Ireland players would turn them over with ease. Now we're the team with name players and getting outplayed by teams like Yeovil.


Well said

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Re: Yeovil (H) BFTG

by The Real Sandhurst Royal » 02 Mar 2014 16:08

A game to remember, 3 sent off down to eight men and we still can't get the 3 points.

Are our management team and players that thick that they can't work out how they should play against eight!!

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