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Re: Zingarevich

by Royal Lady » 27 Mar 2013 12:32

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melonhead just dont see how brian was supposed to attract expensively brilliant players here, regardless of how much money hed been given.
could we have bought 3 half decent players with that 10 million instead? i guess, but thats not really what we needed

So you agree it wasn't totally his fault then? Hallelujah. AZ clearly said "yes" when asked if it were the manager's fault - so not sure why you're sticking up for AZ in that case. :|


Isn't this more about the fact that you have a well documented distrust for Zingarevich? Isn't it possible that Anton is a young man under pressure, under prepared and without anybody there to step in and help him out? Even SJM passed the buck.

He said something he shouldn't have said under pressure from an experienced journalist, who couldn't give two hoots about Reading or McDermott and was just looking for an angle on which to build a story. Anton made a mistake and said more than he should have done, about a man who wasn't there to defend himself. It happens. Get over it. McDermott will, maybe he already has.

Zingarevich will be found out if he fails to back Adkins. Just let it all play out.

The interviewer I heard was Ady Williams. He asked him, as I mentioned, whether it was the manager's fault and AZ said yes. :roll:

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Re: Zingarevich

by Uke » 27 Mar 2013 12:33

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100% KNOW that the follwing is 100% true

owner released funds for the purchase of an attacking midfielder
manager targetted a number of attacking midfielders and made enquiries/bids
enquiries/bids were either turned down, or players turned us down.


Well forgive me if I don't take your word as gospel brendy.. :wink:


Who'd really want to sign for a team in the bottom three unless you were a huge mercenary cock? (see QPR)

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Re: Zingarevich

by SPARTA » 27 Mar 2013 12:34

RL is correct. Ady Williams pressed Anton to confirm if it was Brian or Anton who didn't do enough in the January transfer window. AZ said Brian wasn't "active enough" and had more money to use but didn't.

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Re: Zingarevich

by LoyalRoyalFan » 27 Mar 2013 12:53

SunSport understands Zingarevich was ready to sack McDermott before Christmas in a row over tactics.
But McDermott refused to be pressurised and then saw results improve dramatically in January.


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Re: Zingarevich

by SPARTA » 27 Mar 2013 12:56

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SunSport understands Zingarevich was ready to sack McDermott before Christmas in a row over tactics.
But McDermott refused to be pressurised and then saw results improve dramatically in January.



And NH and SJM both backing Brian to get more time.


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Re: Zingarevich

by Pepe the Horseman » 27 Mar 2013 12:57

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SunSport understands Zingarevich was ready to sack McDermott before Christmas in a row over tactics.
But McDermott refused to be pressurised and then saw results improve dramatically in January.


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Re: Zingarevich

by soggy biscuit » 27 Mar 2013 12:59

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I stopped reading at this point

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Re: Zingarevich

by Vision » 27 Mar 2013 13:08

SPARTA Putting aside what AZ could have and should have said, he has now come out and publicly criticised Brian McDermott for 'not spending enough', and said he will back Nigel Adkins financially. Although we will be in the Championship next season, we can now expect a big budget for Adkins (that may be in wages rather than transfer fees, before the likes of Avon Royal sharpen their knifes ready), and even more so if we go back up!

If we don't see the investment, then Anton has set himself up for an almighty backlash from the fans.


He backed McDermott in the short time in the Championship so I see no reason why he wouldn't financially back his own appointment to a greater degree.

I think the other thing about AZ is that he's genuinely a football fan. Like us on here, he thinks he knows the game pretty well so keeping some credibility in that department may also be a factor for him. He's made a bold and highly criticised decision to sack McD. Within football and the media there's no end of "another owner who doesn't understand football" comments being made and I'm pretty sure proving that's not the case will a motivating factor for him.

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Re: Zingarevich

by sandman » 27 Mar 2013 13:09

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SPARTA Putting aside what AZ could have and should have said, he has now come out and publicly criticised Brian McDermott for 'not spending enough', and said he will back Nigel Adkins financially. Although we will be in the Championship next season, we can now expect a big budget for Adkins (that may be in wages rather than transfer fees, before the likes of Avon Royal sharpen their knifes ready), and even more so if we go back up!

If we don't see the investment, then Anton has set himself up for an almighty backlash from the fans.


He backed McDermott in the short time in the Championship so I see no reason why he wouldn't financially back his own appointment to a greater degree.

I think the other thing about AZ is that he's genuinely a football fan. Like us on here, he thinks he knows the game pretty well so keeping some credibility in that department may also be a factor for him. He's made a bold and highly criticised decision to sack McD. Within football and the media there's no end of "another owner who doesn't understand football" comments being made and I'm pretty sure proving that's not the case will a motivating factor for him.


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Re: Zingarevich

by floyd__streete » 27 Mar 2013 13:10

soggy biscuit Or Anton could have just been a bit classier and not pointed the finger.

He is top of the tree, if he doesn't want to accept responsibility then probably best he just doesn't get into those types of conversations.


Yep. He could have avoided the line of questioning very easily by pointing to the man sat to his right and stated that the press conferenced was called to discuss NA.

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Re: Zingarevich

by Platypuss » 27 Mar 2013 13:16

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SPARTA RL is correct. Ady Williams pressed Anton to confirm if it was Brian or Anton who didn't do enough in the January transfer window. AZ said Brian wasn't "active enough" and had more money to use but didn't.


Of course AZ would say that to save his own ass with the fans, but the fact remains that McD has stated there was no more money.
So it comes down to who you believe, and I for one refuse to believe that there is any football manager in this day and age, when faced with relegation, who doesn't spunk his entire transfer budget in the january window, that's for damn sure! If there was money, it would have been spent!!!!!


So how were we planning to pay for Ince or Gylfi? Old bottle tops?

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Re: Zingarevich

by Extended-Phenotype » 27 Mar 2013 13:44

Find it hard to believe the only decent, available attacking midfielders in the world were Gylfi and Ince. Find it equally as hard to believe we didn't have time to bring in other suitable options had these two fallen through.

The chairman is there for his wallet. It's the management team who are responsible for scouting options, lining up deals and ensuring their success.

I also don't buy into the idea that nobody good would have wanted to play here for the right money. Fun as it is to slam our club in attempts to defend some bloke who managed us once, we are a decent place to be, great prospects, financially flush and building ourselves up to be a premier league contender.

The rational assumption is that the management team, including beloved Dermie, f/cked up. McD chose to admirably put his faith in the team that took us up and strengthen only in depth. He decided to afford new players less patience than he did his old friends. He decided that one or two targets were enough in January. Oh but players might not have wanted to come here, or their club might have wanted more cash - great, anyone think to tell McD that? Personally, if I had known this information privy to even the village idiot, I'd have hit January with more targets than Anders Breivik.

But no, for some it seems easier to believe that Anton said there was money, didn't give any, then pretended to bid big on targets in January with made up money, keeping his fingers crossed the deals fell through and he wouldn't have to part with tens of millions, and then watch his team get relegated missing out on real money, even though he f/cking loves money so much he doesn't want to part with any.

All because Brian would be ace to have a beer with down the Nags Head.

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Re: Zingarevich

by under the tin » 27 Mar 2013 13:54

Extended-Phenotype Find it hard to believe the only decent, available attacking midfielders in the world were Gylfi and Ince. Find it equally as hard to believe we didn't have time to bring in other suitable options had these two fallen through.

The chairman is there for his wallet. It's the management team who are responsible for scouting options, lining up deals and ensuring their success.

I also don't buy into the idea that nobody good would have wanted to play here for the right money. Fun as it is to slam our club in attempts to defend some bloke who managed us once, we are a decent place to be, great prospects, financially flush and building ourselves up to be a premier league contender.

The rational assumption is that the management team, including beloved Dermie, f/cked up. McD chose to admirably put his faith in the team that took us up and strengthen only in depth. He decided to afford new players less patience than he did his old friends. He decided that one or two targets were enough in January. Oh but players might not have wanted to come here, or their club might have wanted more cash - great, anyone think to tell McD that? Personally, if I had known this information privy to even the village idiot, I'd have hit January with more targets than Anders Breivik.

But no, for some it seems easier to believe that Anton said there was money, didn't give any, then pretended to bid big on targets in January with made up money, keeping his fingers crossed the deals fell through and he wouldn't have to part with tens of millions, and then watch his team get relegated missing out on real money, even though he f/cking loves money so much he doesn't want to part with any.

All because Brian would be ace to have a beer with down the Nags Head.


^^^^^ This.


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Re: Zingarevich

by Jano » 27 Mar 2013 13:57

Or the management team decided he wasn't worth the money Blackpool were demanding?

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Re: Zingarevich

by Big Ern » 27 Mar 2013 13:57

Extended-Phenotype Find it hard to believe the only decent, available attacking midfielders in the world were Gylfi and Ince. Find it equally as hard to believe we didn't have time to bring in other suitable options had these two fallen through.

The chairman is there for his wallet. It's the management team who are responsible for scouting options, lining up deals and ensuring their success.

I also don't buy into the idea that nobody good would have wanted to play here for the right money. Fun as it is to slam our club in attempts to defend some bloke who managed us once, we are a decent place to be, great prospects, financially flush and building ourselves up to be a premier league contender.

The rational assumption is that the management team, including beloved Dermie, f/cked up. McD chose to admirably put his faith in the team that took us up and strengthen only in depth. He decided to afford new players less patience than he did his old friends. He decided that one or two targets were enough in January. Oh but players might not have wanted to come here, or their club might have wanted more cash - great, anyone think to tell McD that? Personally, if I had known this information privy to even the village idiot, I'd have hit January with more targets than Anders Breivik.

But no, for some it seems easier to believe that Anton said there was money, didn't give any, then pretended to bid big on targets in January with made up money, keeping his fingers crossed the deals fell through and he wouldn't have to part with tens of millions, and then watch his team get relegated missing out on real money, even though he f/cking loves money so much he doesn't want to part with any.

All because Brian would be ace to have a beer with down the Nags Head.


Harsh but true.

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Re: Zingarevich

by Big Ern » 27 Mar 2013 14:08

Ideal Another bullshit post which doesn't make sense, if we had all that cash that you seem to think we had, why were we unable to agree a deal for Ince?
It would seem logical that in fact we didn't have enough money to strike a deal. There was an asking price, and our owner failed to come up with the money.


The asking price was over inflated as Liverpool would be due a big chunk of it. Theres spending money and there is also getting fleeced. Blackpool's Chairman also has a reputation of being a hard bargainer.

This issue lies with the fact there were not enough alternatives identified and more done sooner in the transfer window, as opposed to leaving it to the last minute. Just idle speculation from my part, but considering what was said yesterday, I think Anton stayed in England for the last few days of the transfer window to pressure McDermott into doing something. I think it is more than coincidence that the 2 big bids were made while Anton was looking over McDermott's shoulder.

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Re: Zingarevich

by Vision » 27 Mar 2013 14:18

Ideal Another bullshit post which doesn't make sense.


Is how you should introduce pretty much all of your posts tbh.

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Re: Zingarevich

by Big Ern » 27 Mar 2013 14:21

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Platypuss So how were we planning to pay for Ince or Gylfi? Old bottle tops?


I am so glad you brought that up, do you not think that if we had "loadsamoney" we would have been able to match Blackpool's asking price?
The fact is that we made derisory offers which were designed to be rejected, and made these offers public knowledge, in order to pacify fans who were beginning to ask critical questions about why the owner was not putting any real money in.


You really are a tool Ideal.

So we offer Spurs more money for the Sig than they paid for him, and then more than 6million for a player that cost Blackpool nothing? All this as an elaborate stunt to pacify supporters and provide an excuse for Anton to use further down the line???? :roll: If you truely believe that, then you need help.

I do not see how these were derisory offers anyway. More of a case the clubs didn't want/need to sell therefore it would have had to have been stupid money for them.

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Re: Zingarevich

by Hoop Blah » 27 Mar 2013 14:25

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melonhead just dont see how brian was supposed to attract expensively brilliant players here, regardless of how much money hed been given.
could we have bought 3 half decent players with that 10 million instead? i guess, but thats not really what we needed


Ultimately, we don't know what went on. It's probably likely that both were at fault. But given the hostility Anton has faced in the media over the last couple of weeks I don't think anything he said yesterday was out of order. Especially as he was originally trying to divert all the conversation back to Adkins' appointment.

Well, perhaps he could have been advised beforehand to say he wasn't here to talk about past managers but to talk about the exciting new manager who has just joined us. :roll: It's really not difficult.


Weren't you moaning the other day that we weren't getting enough comment and justification from the club about what was happening and why McDermott was sacked in the first place?

Seems to me we've got part of the answer now but some people just don't like the answer and so want to criticise Zingaravich for doing what they orginally wanted!

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Re: Zingarevich

by RoyalBlue » 27 Mar 2013 14:28

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SPARTA RL is correct. Ady Williams pressed Anton to confirm if it was Brian or Anton who didn't do enough in the January transfer window. AZ said Brian wasn't "active enough" and had more money to use but didn't.


Of course AZ would say that to save his own ass with the fans, but the fact remains that McD has stated there was no more money.
So it comes down to who you believe, and I for one refuse to believe that there is any football manager in this day and age, when faced with relegation, who doesn't spunk his entire transfer budget in the january window, that's for damn sure! If there was money, it would have been spent!!!!!



Where is the evidence to support the fact that McD stated there was no more money in January? I can offer evidence to support quite the contrary. Ask Ady Williams about the interview that McDermott gave him (I think it may have been after the Wigan or Villa game) when McDermott categorically dismissed those claims and clearly stated that there was money available, citing the £10M bid for Sig as proof of that.

Whose fault was it that we didn't spend that money? Who decided to wait until the 11th hour (12th would be more accurate) to make a bid for Sig only to be left with no time/alternative options when the bid was turned down? Who decided to put £10M of eggs in the one basket? Who says there wasn't more than £10M made available?

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