"One More Player"

[Horsham Royal]

To quote Dickens :
"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."

Seems some people think it's the other way round.

(oh and there will be plenty of good quality strikers available on loan in about a week's time ... who's to say McDermott's not already got one lined up ... the deal might already be done ... but can't be announced till the loan window opens)

[soggy biscuit]

Can't football league teams still sign loan players for 1 week from now as Premier League teams have to name their 25 man squad today?

Wasn't there a story about a potential rush of loan signings by Championship clubs from 5:00pm today?

Maybe I dreamt it all though


Where is strap with his duff 'inside' information when you need him

[papereyes]

I heard that there was a week between the two things - so next Weds.

But yes - Premiership teams name their 25 man squads and a fair few players might get slightly more available.

[Platypuss]

To quote Dickens :
"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."

Seems some people think it's the other way round.

(oh and there will be plenty of good quality strikers available on loan in about a week's time ... who's to say McDermott's not already got one lined up ... the deal might already be done ... but can't be announced till the loan window opens)

Should we assume that the last para was also Mr Micawber?

[brendywendy]

To quote Dickens :
"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."

Seems some people think it's the other way round.

(oh and there will be plenty of good quality strikers available on loan in about a week's time ... who's to say McDermott's not already got one lined up ... the deal might already be done ... but can't be announced till the loan window opens)

THIS!^^^^^^^

[southbank1871]

Christ, this is the same argument as the last time sold a player for millions.

We had a four million deficit in the budget.

It is not sold by one big player going because the fee will only save you for one year, without seeing the accounts we don't know how much of that deficit has been plugged, we would hope by now all of it.


It's my personal feeling that the club is being more sensible than splurging the money on the first signing that becomes available and i'd be very surprised if some of this money hasnt been set aside so we actually have something to spend in January as well.

The club are not being sensible- they are playing a very dangerous game. The warning signs were there last season until we decided to do something about it in Jan. If the cloth cutting continues then relegation is inevitable and then there will be NO money whatsoever as attendances will rapidly drop in League 1. If they kept The Sig, signed Kish on loan and signed a decent striker we would most likely have been promoted this season and then we wouldn't have to keep funding our club by selling our best players as we would be gettign a lot of money if in Premiership. Sometimes in life you have to risk a minnute amount to reap massive benefits. We ent prepared to do that and it will cost us which personally makes me feel pretty dejected by the whole thing. I think fans have the absolute right to voice their opinions- season-ticket holders who spend their money to keep the club going and get nothing for that- now that deserves a response in my opinion

Mr Madejski is not prepared to risk anymore of his personal money on this club. He is not as cash rich as any of you believe. His money is tied up in Commercial Property (down 40%) and his other companies (mostly loosing money). So when you are talking about "we aren't prepared to do that" what you are in fact is saying "he is not prepared to risk anymore of HIS personal wealth". How much do you want him to spend? Plug the 4m defecit and then maybe another 4m on players/wages? So 8m in total? Assuming he has anywhere near 32m left in liquid assets (I doubt he even has that), thats 25% of his personal wealth.

Why should he? It's about time to accept we are not bankrolled by a rich sugar daddy, nor are we supported by a strong business. The club loses money every year (like 90% of all clubs, easily) and our chairman no longer has the wealth to prop up the club AND invest greatly. That's life, deal with it.

And before you all start going on, sell the club now tight arse, he can only sell the club if he has a buyer. And who would want a business that loses money every year. We're not Chelsea, we're not Man City, we're not Villa and we're not Man Utd. We dont have a brand, or history or even a chance to get TV revenue when the clubs start selling their own rightss.

We either find another local benefactor who wants to lose money every year, we mortgage the club on the gamble of future sucess(worked well for Leeds etc), or we run a tight ship and accept life isnt like Championship Manager.

Seriously, can you and zac fukk off with your reasoned arguments? They have no place on the Team board.

My personal view is that we're still paying for whoever's decision it was not to spend much money in our second season in the PL. However, this is water under the bridge now. IMO anyone who boos Madejski after all that he has done for the club is an utter disgrace.

[Stranded]

I heard that there was a week between the two things - so next Weds.

But yes - Premiership teams name their 25 man squads and a fair few players might get slightly more available.

There is a gap in when the registration can take place - I would guess that as we're in an international break, we'll see players move on loan from tonight to get to know their new surrounds prior to the games on the 11th.

[Seal]

To quote Dickens :
"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."

Seems some people think it's the other way round.

(oh and there will be plenty of good quality strikers available on loan in about a week's time ... who's to say McDermott's not already got one lined up ... the deal might already be done ... but can't be announced till the loan window opens)

THIS!^^^^^^^

So irrelevant I don't even know where to begin. A football club has a slightly different business model compared to some poor Victorian chump. Fcuk me, not that I'm advocating it but even Barcelona have debts of £369.5m and they seem pretty happy.

I would just like to know at what point those who constantly defend the club's operating policy will eventually admit defeat? Last season there was defence of Rogers and pending relegation battle. Then we finally manage to stumble across a potentially winning formula, and look like we could be a decent bet for promotion, only to slowly dismantle any chance of that actually happening.

[Horsham Royal]

I heard that there was a week between the two things - so next Weds.

But yes - Premiership teams name their 25 man squads and a fair few players might get slightly more available.

Correct.

So, if McD has been talking to a prem team that knows they have a striker that will not be in their 25 squad then the deal could already be done.

But it can't be announced/formalised till the loan window opens in a week's time.

(not that I'm saying it's likely)

[Millsy]

I would just like to know at what point those who constantly defend the club's operating policy will eventually admit defeat?

Have you ever seen a pig fly?

[sheshnu]

I would just like to know at what point those who constantly defend the club's operating policy will eventually admit defeat?

Probably the day the club ceases to operate.

[Yorkshire Royal]

To quote Dickens :
"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."

Seems some people think it's the other way round.

(oh and there will be plenty of good quality strikers available on loan in about a week's time ... who's to say McDermott's not already got one lined up ... the deal might already be done ... but can't be announced till the loan window opens)

THIS!^^^^^^^

So irrelevant I don't even know where to begin. A football club has a slightly different business model compared to some poor Victorian chump. Fcuk me, not that I'm advocating it but even Barcelona have debts of £369.5m and they seem pretty happy.

I would just like to know at what point those who constantly defend the club's operating policy will eventually admit defeat? Last season there was defence of Rogers and pending relegation battle. Then we finally manage to stumble across a potentially winning formula, and look like we could be a decent bet for promotion, only to slowly dismantle any chance of that actually happening.

I guess Barcelona have a better overdraft facility then Reading do. I fear the credit crunch has affected small town clubs more...

[Horsham Royal]

So irrelevant I don't even know where to begin. A football club has a slightly different business model compared to some poor Victorian chump. Fcuk me, not that I'm advocating it but even Barcelona have debts of £369.5m and they seem pretty happy.

Partially agreed.
More a rant against the constant "spend spend spend someone else's money" posts and previous "screw everyone else so long as we're ok, we'll just go into admin and not pay our debts" ethics.
Mind you, both of those fit in pretty much with the wider UK economy so, what the hell, I'm in ...

I would just like to know at what point those who constantly defend the club's operating policy will eventually admit defeat? Last season there was defence of Rogers and pending relegation battle. Then we finally manage to stumble across a potentially winning formula, and look like we could be a decent bet for promotion, only to slowly dismantle any chance of that actually happening.

I'd like to know at what point people will realise there is a loan window.

[Hogmeister Royal]

Mr Madejski is not prepared to risk anymore of his personal money on this club. He is not as cash rich as any of you believe. His money is tied up in Commercial Property (down 40%) and his other companies (mostly loosing money). So when you are talking about "we aren't prepared to do that" what you are in fact is saying "he is not prepared to risk anymore of HIS personal wealth". How much do you want him to spend? Plug the 4m defecit and then maybe another 4m on players/wages? So 8m in total? Assuming he has anywhere near 32m left in liquid assets (I doubt he even has that), thats 25% of his personal wealth.

Why should he? It's about time to accept we are not bankrolled by a rich sugar daddy, nor are we supported by a strong business. The club loses money every year (like 90% of all clubs, easily) and our chairman no longer has the wealth to prop up the club AND invest greatly. That's life, deal with it.

And before you all start going on, sell the club now tight arse, he can only sell the club if he has a buyer. And who would want a business that loses money every year. We're not Chelsea, we're not Man City, we're not Villa and we're not Man Utd. We dont have a brand, or history or even a chance to get TV revenue when the clubs start selling their own rightss.

We either find another local benefactor who wants to lose money every year, we mortgage the club on the gamble of future sucess(worked well for Leeds etc), or we run a tight ship and accept life isnt like Championship Manager.

Absolutely spot on. A reasoned, objective and accurate assessment of the situation. We all wish we had a rich benefactor to bankroll us... but we don't... so get used to it!

This post should have been the end of the thread IMHO, as it says it all...

...but no, why let objectivity and reason get in the way of bashing out the same old misguided rants we've all seen here a hundred times before?

[brendywendy]

To quote Dickens :
"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."

Seems some people think it's the other way round.

(oh and there will be plenty of good quality strikers available on loan in about a week's time ... who's to say McDermott's not already got one lined up ... the deal might already be done ... but can't be announced till the loan window opens)

THIS!^^^^^^^

So irrelevant I don't even know where to begin. A football club has a slightly different business model compared to some poor Victorian chump. Fcuk me, not that I'm advocating it but even Barcelona have debts of £369.5m and they seem pretty happy.

I would just like to know at what point those who constantly defend the club's operating policy will eventually admit defeat? Last season there was defence of Rogers and pending relegation battle. Then we finally manage to stumble across a potentially winning formula, and look like we could be a decent bet for promotion, only to slowly dismantle any chance of that actually happening.

LOL- at somehow there being another model that works in business, other than keep you income >>>>> your outgoings.

LOL at you thinking i /we are on some personal JM loving crusade/admitting defeat
its got oxf*rd all to do with what i want for my club, or where i think this attituade could take us, and everything to do with:

"THERE IS NO MONEY LEFT. JM ISNT PUTTING MORE IN ANY MORE, GET USED TO IT."
and
"WE SOLD OUR BEST PLAYER TO ENABLE US TO STOP HAVING TO PATCH UP OUR ALREADY PATCHY DEFENCE, AS THIS WAS THE ONLY WAY IT COULD BE FINANCED"
and
"IM NOT SURE WHAT FRETTING, SPLEEN VENTING IS GOING TO DO TO HELP CHANGE THAT SITUATION"

[brendywendy]

I would just like to know at what point those who constantly defend the club's operating policy will eventually admit defeat?

Have you ever seen a pig fly?

yup.about as likely as the other way round you bunch of gaylords.

you lot were moaning at the start of the 106 season too, and at the start of the 8th place prem season, and will be forever more- its just the way your personality works, and this is how mine works. the end

[papereyes]

I would just like to know at what point those who constantly defend the club's operating policy will eventually admit defeat?

Probably the day the club ceases to operate.

My hunch is that they'd still argue that they were right or that they were never wrong in the first place.

The mass change to "Oh, but it doesn't matter anyway" when we went down/didn't go up would have been hilarious to any outsider looking in.

[brendywendy]

lol at you thinking its some kind of competition. or excersise in one upmanship.

ffs get over yourselves!



if every year you moan about the state of the club, and the quality of the squad, and the ammount of money spent, through the years of great success, and then your moans and worries finally at some point become truth, it doesnt mean youre mystic meg.any more than i was when i was happy with the squad in 05/06 - 06/07.


at you and your kind

[79Royal]

Why do so many people seem to think that we had the choice of keeping Gylfi? Of course we wanted to keep him, he’s the best player in the league behind Bellamy! Problem is, we had to renegotiate his contract to prevent him from leaving for free next season. And there was no way he was going to sign that contract unless we agreed to let him go to a bigger club, should they come in for him. Obviously we wanted to protect our asset, so we insisted on a minimum release clause.

As soon as the release clause was reached WE HAD TO LET GYLFI GO! Think what you like about Madejski (I happen to think he’s doing the best he can in a very difficult situation), but this deal was going to happen the moment Hoffenheim triggered that release clause. It was Gylfi’s decision to go ultimately.

[LoyalRoyalFan]

You have to spend big to replace big players. Reading are trying to do it on the cheap again. McDermott has been given a budget that reflects this.